June 2017 Waiters Thread- Grayday! -9 curve. GL all

Prepare for the LSAT or discuss it with others in this forum.

What did you get? (Presumptive release day poll. Revolting enabled)

177+
8
6%
175+
6
4%
173+
21
15%
170+
25
18%
167+
27
19%
165+
16
11%
163+
14
10%
160+
8
6%
159 -
16
11%
 
Total votes: 141

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby Platopus » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:00 am

rowdy wrote:
Platopus wrote:
rowdy wrote:
MediocreAtBest wrote:
rowdy wrote:
dm1683 wrote:My hopelessly optimistic side wants to believe that the reason scores are coming out later is because they needed to remove one or two super tough LR/RC questions from scoring...


This has crossed my mind a time or two. I'm hoping a couple of the RC questions broke their scale.


Does anyone know the protocol on removing questions from scoring? You think if like 90% of test takers miss it they remove it?


If 90% of test takers missed it, it might be the question that divided the 170+ scores from the rest.

If 99.9% of test takers missed it, it might be question that divided the 179's from the 180's.

I bet a lot of people have to miss it for it to throw off their scale.


My understanding is that they know the frequency for each answer choice for each question. So, I would guess unless there is a significant deviation, a question isn't getting dropped. However, if they predict 80% of takers will pick C, but only 2% do, and 98% pick E, then that might be a consideration.


That would make sense. I've only seen maybe one or two redacted questions in practice tests, so they clearly don't eliminate questions from scoring very often. It's just wishful thinking on la dia de verde...

SNEAK EDIT: Scooped by Olemiss18


Yeah, here's to hoping, but realistically, it won't.

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby NavyNuke » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:30 am

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby Walliums » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:19 am

rowdy wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
rowdy wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:Anyone have experience with Manhattan Prep? I've tried Powerscore and really hate their methods, while I loved 7sage and the Trainer. I'm pulled towards Manhattan for a possible retake because I've heard it is geared more towards high scorers and one of the Authors is Mike Kim who wrote the Trainer.


I didn't like it as much. Strong recommend for the Fox LSAT books though. Less "one simple trick that LSAC hates!!!" than most books--the author doesn't over-strategize.

Thanks, I'll check that out. I'm mainly looking for RC and LR books, LG I should be fine with drilling and 7sage free videos.


The Fox LSAT Logical Reasoning Encyclopedia is your ticket -- got me to an average of -0 or -1 per test on LR. It also improved my RC as a side effect FWIW.


What other materials had you used previously? And what makes the Fox book different?

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Postby rowdy » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:43 am

Walliums wrote:
rowdy wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
rowdy wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:Anyone have experience with Manhattan Prep? I've tried Powerscore and really hate their methods, while I loved 7sage and the Trainer. I'm pulled towards Manhattan for a possible retake because I've heard it is geared more towards high scorers and one of the Authors is Mike Kim who wrote the Trainer.


I didn't like it as much. Strong recommend for the Fox LSAT books though. Less "one simple trick that LSAC hates!!!" than most books--the author doesn't over-strategize.

Thanks, I'll check that out. I'm mainly looking for RC and LR books, LG I should be fine with drilling and 7sage free videos.


The Fox LSAT Logical Reasoning Encyclopedia is your ticket -- got me to an average of -0 or -1 per test on LR. It also improved my RC as a side effect FWIW.


What other materials had you used previously? And what makes the Fox book different?


I've been through Princeton Review (trash), Manhatten (fine) and Powerscore (fine). The format of the Fox book is just question, detailed explanation. That's it. He has a couple books that are full tests with full explanations of every question, but the LR encyclopedia is just question, explanation of question, answer. He does have some theory baked in to his explanations, but it's not 12-dimensional chess. The focus is on actually fully understanding the questions, not gaming the test.

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby carsondalywashere » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:17 am

While I am a big fan of Manhattan, this fox book sounds intriguing

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby Ntp73821 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:52 am

NavyNuke wrote:What does everyone think, if we go gray today does it happen earlier than usual or same 430-6 time frame?


I think we shouldn't get our hopes up at all. But IF we were to go grey, I would expect the front end of the normal time frame (so 4:30).
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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby Walliums » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:53 am

rowdy wrote:
Walliums wrote:
rowdy wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
rowdy wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:Anyone have experience with Manhattan Prep? I've tried Powerscore and really hate their methods, while I loved 7sage and the Trainer. I'm pulled towards Manhattan for a possible retake because I've heard it is geared more towards high scorers and one of the Authors is Mike Kim who wrote the Trainer.


I didn't like it as much. Strong recommend for the Fox LSAT books though. Less "one simple trick that LSAC hates!!!" than most books--the author doesn't over-strategize.

Thanks, I'll check that out. I'm mainly looking for RC and LR books, LG I should be fine with drilling and 7sage free videos.


The Fox LSAT Logical Reasoning Encyclopedia is your ticket -- got me to an average of -0 or -1 per test on LR. It also improved my RC as a side effect FWIW.


What other materials had you used previously? And what makes the Fox book different?


I've been through Princeton Review (trash), Manhatten (fine) and Powerscore (fine). The format of the Fox book is just question, detailed explanation. That's it. He has a couple books that are full tests with full explanations of every question, but the LR encyclopedia is just question, explanation of question, answer. He does have some theory baked in to his explanations, but it's not 12-dimensional chess. The focus is on actually fully understanding the questions, not gaming the test.


So it's a book full of question explanations?

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby rowdy » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:22 am

Walliums wrote:
rowdy wrote:
Walliums wrote:
rowdy wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
rowdy wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:Anyone have experience with Manhattan Prep? I've tried Powerscore and really hate their methods, while I loved 7sage and the Trainer. I'm pulled towards Manhattan for a possible retake because I've heard it is geared more towards high scorers and one of the Authors is Mike Kim who wrote the Trainer.


I didn't like it as much. Strong recommend for the Fox LSAT books though. Less "one simple trick that LSAC hates!!!" than most books--the author doesn't over-strategize.

Thanks, I'll check that out. I'm mainly looking for RC and LR books, LG I should be fine with drilling and 7sage free videos.


The Fox LSAT Logical Reasoning Encyclopedia is your ticket -- got me to an average of -0 or -1 per test on LR. It also improved my RC as a side effect FWIW.


What other materials had you used previously? And what makes the Fox book different?


I've been through Princeton Review (trash), Manhatten (fine) and Powerscore (fine). The format of the Fox book is just question, detailed explanation. That's it. He has a couple books that are full tests with full explanations of every question, but the LR encyclopedia is just question, explanation of question, answer. He does have some theory baked in to his explanations, but it's not 12-dimensional chess. The focus is on actually fully understanding the questions, not gaming the test.


So it's a book full of question explanations?


That's the format, yes. It does teach concepts but it's all in the context of explaining how to understand and figure out the answer to specific questions. No chapters of abstract theory.

It might not be for everyone, but it worked for me. Or I guess we'll see if it worked...

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby rowdy » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:24 am

Ntp73821 wrote:
NavyNuke wrote:What does everyone think, if we go gray today does it happen earlier than usual or same 430-6 time frame?


I think we shouldn't get our hopes up at all. But IF we were to go grey, I would expect the front end of the normal time frame (so 4:30).


4:30PM Eastern... So that's 8:30AM Pacific right?

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby Ntp73821 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:28 am

rowdy wrote:
Ntp73821 wrote:
NavyNuke wrote:What does everyone think, if we go gray today does it happen earlier than usual or same 430-6 time frame?


I think we shouldn't get our hopes up at all. But IF we were to go grey, I would expect the front end of the normal time frame (so 4:30).


4:30PM Eastern... So that's 8:30AM Pacific right?


Yes, exactly :wink:
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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby it's allgood » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:30 am

rowdy wrote:
Ntp73821 wrote:
NavyNuke wrote:What does everyone think, if we go gray today does it happen earlier than usual or same 430-6 time frame?


I think we shouldn't get our hopes up at all. But IF we were to go grey, I would expect the front end of the normal time frame (so 4:30).


4:30PM Eastern... So that's 8:30AM Pacific right?


I wish!!!

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby MediocreAtBest » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:33 am

I can't handle another day like yesterday so I'm just checking in from time to time and trying to keep it cool

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Postby Ntp73821 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:34 am

MediocreAtBest wrote:I can't handle another day like yesterday so I'm just checking in from time to time and trying to keep it cool


I 0% expect anything today. At least if they do come I can be pleasantly surprised.
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Postby MediocreAtBest » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:36 am

Ntp73821 wrote:
MediocreAtBest wrote:I can't handle another day like yesterday so I'm just checking in from time to time and trying to keep it cool


I 0% expect anything today. At least if they do come I can be pleasantly surprised.


The fact that it went grey on new year's day the one year is keeping me from being at 0% haha.

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby Ntp73821 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:41 am

MediocreAtBest wrote:The fact that it went grey on new year's day the one year is keeping me from being at 0% haha.


That's fair. I'm trying to stop myself from having any hope because yesterday I felt sick from being so nervous about it. :cry:
The longer it takes them, the lower I think my score is.
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Postby it's allgood » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:18 pm

I had my first LSAT dream. My score was 165 and then changed to 164 but was also 65 and 64. I really hope it is actually much higher than that!!

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby it's allgood » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:19 pm

Ntp73821 wrote:
MediocreAtBest wrote:The fact that it went grey on new year's day the one year is keeping me from being at 0% haha.


That's fair. I'm trying to stop myself from having any hope because yesterday I felt sick from being so nervous about it. :cry:
The longer it takes them, the lower I think my score is.


Yesterday totally sucked!!!

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Postby NavyNuke » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:27 pm

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Postby Ntp73821 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:35 pm

NavyNuke wrote:I'm the opposite. The longer it takes means more thoughts of crushing it begin to take hold. I walked out of the test feeling certain that I under performed. I need them to release the scores and confirm my suspicions so I can get back to studying. The hope of scoring well enough to not have to retake is preventing me from doing any serious studying.


At least you're feeling good about it! I walked out feeling like I crushed it, but now I just KNOW I'm going to have to retake. :roll: I know I changed at least one right answer to a wrong answer and that question has been haunting me since ten minutes after the exam.
I'm moving in like two weeks and today my boyfriend asked why I hadn't packed up my LSAT stuff! Um, because I don't want it to be in a box when I have to start studying again! :cry:
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Postby NavyNuke » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:41 pm

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Postby Ntp73821 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:47 pm

NavyNuke wrote:I keep telling myself that how I felt right after the test is most likely an accurate reflection of how I did. If you felt good at the end of it, you probably did well. Don't sweat one question!


I've been trying not to! I just hope I don't get like... a 169. If I did, that one question would haunt me for days. :roll:
I keep telling myself that I'm sure I did fine, but I really, really hope that I don't have to retake. The thought of having to study for that test again is painful.
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Postby NavyNuke » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:53 pm

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby Ntp73821 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:58 pm

NavyNuke wrote:Painful and I have not a clue of how to go about it differently a second time.


I'm in a similar situation. I used the Powerscore Bibles, preptests, and 7sage for LG. I found the Powerscore Bibles to be less than useful, personally. I'm thinking about trying to LSAT Trainer because I've heard great things about it, but I'm still unsure. RC is my downfall, unfortunately, which is really hard to improve (at least for me). I didn't feel that bad about the RC on our exam, but the last time I didn't feel bad about a RC section, I bombed the preptest. :oops: :oops:
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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby NavyNuke » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:03 pm

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Re: June 2017 Waiters Thread- Dowsing for gray

Postby Ntp73821 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:09 pm

NavyNuke wrote:I thought the Trainer was great for RC. RC was my worst too.


I'll probably get the Trainer. I wish I had known about it before I started prepping the first time.
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