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What should I do now?

Postby hinton2014 » Sun May 07, 2017 1:44 pm

I finished the LSAT trainer and feel like I learned a lot. I'm able to complete most drills well,but my PT's still lack. So should I just transition into PT's and blind review? I'm sitting for the June test, with September as a backup. If I don't do as well as I'd like on June, I may invest in the Manhattan prep. What do you all recommend?

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby Platopus » Sun May 07, 2017 3:46 pm

hinton2014 wrote:I'm able to complete most drills well,but my PT's still lack.


Based on the above, it sounds like you're still a bit off from your target, so I would suggest strongly considering just postponing until September. There's no reason to push for June if you don't feel you're ready. Sure, a lower June score wouldn't really matter, but why burn one of those 3 takes?

From here on out it should be 2-3 PT's a week with review, and drilling on the other days (preferably on trouble spots). If you are really set on June, aim for 3 PT's a week and see if it makes sense to sit in 3 weeks from now.

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby hinton2014 » Sun May 07, 2017 4:14 pm

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hinton2014 wrote:I'm able to complete most drills well,but my PT's still lack.


Based on the above, it sounds like you're still a bit off from your target, so I would suggest strongly considering just postponing until September. There's no reason to push for June if you don't feel you're ready. Sure, a lower June score wouldn't really matter, but why burn one of those 3 takes?

From here on out it should be 2-3 PT's a week with review, and drilling on the other days (preferably on trouble spots). If you are really set on June, aim for 3 PT's a week and see if it makes sense to sit in 3 weeks from now.



Well, the test is the 12th, so a little over three weeks away. However, no, I'm not near my target. I was planning on taking because I will apply next fall, so it would at least give me an opportunity to get over those nerves I have. I'm hoping I can pull it together, I'm just frustrated with my PT's right now because when I drill I always do way better.

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby Platopus » Sun May 07, 2017 4:36 pm

hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:I'm able to complete most drills well,but my PT's still lack.


Based on the above, it sounds like you're still a bit off from your target, so I would suggest strongly considering just postponing until September. There's no reason to push for June if you don't feel you're ready. Sure, a lower June score wouldn't really matter, but why burn one of those 3 takes?

From here on out it should be 2-3 PT's a week with review, and drilling on the other days (preferably on trouble spots). If you are really set on June, aim for 3 PT's a week and see if it makes sense to sit in 3 weeks from now.



Well, the test is the 12th, so a little over three weeks away. However, no, I'm not near my target. I was planning on taking because I will apply next fall, so it would at least give me an opportunity to get over those nerves I have. I'm hoping I can pull it together, I'm just frustrated with my PT's right now because when I drill I always do way better.


Test is about 5 weeks away, in 3 weeks you'd be about 2 weeks out, which is about the time you should had a good idea of where you'll be test day.

Anyway how much better are you with drilling? Are you drilling tests 1-20 and PTing 60-80, cause that's a big difference. If you're drilling anything 52+ up, it should be pretty close to modern PT's. Is it a timing issue? Or stamina? You may want to consider bumping up to 6 section PT's to help build endurance. Or maybe consider the way you approach the section in relation to any timing issues? I think the best medicine here is to really review your PT's and figure out what is causing the drop from your drilling scores. Are you missing questions on PT's you normally don't on drills? IDK food for thought

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby hinton2014 » Sun May 07, 2017 4:42 pm

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hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:I'm able to complete most drills well,but my PT's still lack.


Based on the above, it sounds like you're still a bit off from your target, so I would suggest strongly considering just postponing until September. There's no reason to push for June if you don't feel you're ready. Sure, a lower June score wouldn't really matter, but why burn one of those 3 takes?

From here on out it should be 2-3 PT's a week with review, and drilling on the other days (preferably on trouble spots). If you are really set on June, aim for 3 PT's a week and see if it makes sense to sit in 3 weeks from now.



Well, the test is the 12th, so a little over three weeks away. However, no, I'm not near my target. I was planning on taking because I will apply next fall, so it would at least give me an opportunity to get over those nerves I have. I'm hoping I can pull it together, I'm just frustrated with my PT's right now because when I drill I always do way better.

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Test is about 5 weeks away, in 3 weeks you'd be about 2 weeks out, which is about the time you should had a good idea of where you'll be test day.

Anyway how much better are you with drilling? Are you drilling tests 1-20 and PTing 60-80, cause that's a big difference. If you're drilling anything 52+ up, it should be pretty close to modern PT's. Is it a timing issue? Or stamina? You may want to consider bumping up to 6 section PT's to help build endurance. Or maybe consider the way you approach the section in relation to any timing issues? I think the best medicine here is to really review your PT's and figure out what is causing the drop from your drilling scores. Are you missing questions on PT's you normally don't on drills? IDK food for thought


I was drilling 50-80. LR drill untimed I go -2 or -3 a section, LG I can go -0 to -2, and RC I struggle and go -6 to -8. When I actually PT, I'm going like -8 to 10 in LR per, -4 to -5 in LG and -8 to -10 in RC. So I'm not sure what the issue is and what to do. I clearly understand the material, and on review I know what I did wrong. Earlier this week I did pt 66 and got a 158 timed, but then after blind review it was a 172. Many times I am down to 2 answers, and choose the incorrect.

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby AJordan » Sun May 07, 2017 5:55 pm

Yeah untimed should only be for beginners. You need to be taking 35 minute sections and reviewing them afterwards. You gotta figure out how to do the easy questions quickly. If you can learn to get the first ten right at 90% in ten minutes then you're on the right track. Are you missing easy questions in your timed sections? Slow the hell down if so.
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Re: What should I do now?

Postby hinton2014 » Sun May 07, 2017 6:02 pm

archer grandpapy360 wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:I'm able to complete most drills well,but my PT's still lack.


Based on the above, it sounds like you're still a bit off from your target, so I would suggest strongly considering just postponing until September. There's no reason to push for June if you don't feel you're ready. Sure, a lower June score wouldn't really matter, but why burn one of those 3 takes?

From here on out it should be 2-3 PT's a week with review, and drilling on the other days (preferably on trouble spots). If you are really set on June, aim for 3 PT's a week and see if it makes sense to sit in 3 weeks from now.



Well, the test is the 12th, so a little over three weeks away. However, no, I'm not near my target. I was planning on taking because I will apply next fall, so it would at least give me an opportunity to get over those nerves I have. I'm hoping I can pull it together, I'm just frustrated with my PT's right now because when I drill I always do way better.

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Test is about 5 weeks away, in 3 weeks you'd be about 2 weeks out, which is about the time you should had a good idea of where you'll be test day.

Anyway how much better are you with drilling? Are you drilling tests 1-20 and PTing 60-80, cause that's a big difference. If you're drilling anything 52+ up, it should be pretty close to modern PT's. Is it a timing issue? Or stamina? You may want to consider bumping up to 6 section PT's to help build endurance. Or maybe consider the way you approach the section in relation to any timing issues? I think the best medicine here is to really review your PT's and figure out what is causing the drop from your drilling scores. Are you missing questions on PT's you normally don't on drills? IDK food for thought


I was drilling 50-80. LR drill untimed I go -2 or -3 a section, LG I can go -0 to -2, and RC I struggle and go -6 to -8. When I actually PT, I'm going like -8 to 10 in LR per, -4 to -5 in LG and -8 to -10 in RC. So I'm not sure what the issue is and what to do. I clearly understand the material, and on review I know what I did wrong. Earlier this week I did pt 66 and got a 158 timed, but then after blind review it was a 172. Many times I am down to 2 answers, and choose the incorrect.


Do you not time yourself on a drill? You need to do this. The ideal study progression after reading all the books is: diagnostic, maybe some untimed drills, timed drills, then start PTs only after your timed drills for each section are max -5 (ideally even lower).

If you're doing untimed drills then you're doing little to prepare for the inevitable time crunch you will face in a PT.


Yeah, I did the diagnostics, then the book (some powerscore mixed in there, I have the triolgy, but haven't finished any of them) with the drills Mike recommended, then did a test afterwards to see how I did. Then have been doing PT's. Should I just start doing timed PT's from the older tests that I have, then start doing the PT's? I may be incorrect, but it appears the time crunch is what gets me. If I understand the question, and why I missed it, then I understand the concepts, right?

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby hinton2014 » Sun May 07, 2017 6:03 pm

AJordan wrote:Yeah untimed should only be for beginners. You need to be taking 35 minute sections and reviewing them afterwards. You gotta figure out how to do the easy questions quickly. If you can learn to get the first ten right at 90% in ten minutes then you're on the right track. Are you missing easy questions in your timed sections? Slow the hell down if so.


Not always. Sometimes I miss 1 of the first few, but typically I pretty consistently get the first 10 right in LR, but do make silly mistakes in LG. In RC, by far my biggest issue are the inference questions. I typically miss those every time, and they also seem to be an area I miss on my LR too.

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Re: What should I do now?

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby hinton2014 » Sun May 07, 2017 6:36 pm

archer grandpapy360 wrote:I'm sorry I'm not sure if you answered my question. Are you doing timed drills? Or did you jump from untimed drills to timed full PTs?


My bad, I didn't answer it at all. No, not normally. Sometimes I use a stop watch and see how long it takes me to do a certain amount of questions varying from 15 on, but not full timed sections. I went straight from book to PT's

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Re: What should I do now?

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hinton2014 wrote:
archer grandpapy360 wrote:I'm sorry I'm not sure if you answered my question. Are you doing timed drills? Or did you jump from untimed drills to timed full PTs?


My bad, I didn't answer it at all. No, not normally. Sometimes I use a stop watch and see how long it takes me to do a certain amount of questions varying from 15 on, but not full timed sections. I went straight from book to PT's


You should be doing strictly timed sections from here on out. Don't touch another PT until you are much closer to your target. I mean it's not the end of the world that you went straight from books to PT's, but you should stop. You're likely not getting as much out of the PT as you could be. PT's are a way to evaluate your test-taking strategies, timing/pace and stamina, and see how things shake out in the big picture. Timed sections are where you build the skills and really get a handle on the concepts. When you are down to -2/3 per section TIMED, then start back up with the PT's. Realize though that it's not a total transition. Once you start PTing again, stay with the drills. I drill around 176-77 but PT around 172-3, so it's really valuable to me to still do both. That way I can look and say "hey I know what I'm doing, but why do I lose 3-4 points on the PT", I then can address this issue with focused drilling and what not.

edit: For RC, try switching up your notation. I found I did much worse with notes, and do much better just reading slower and really trying to absorb the information, no underlining, circling or anything. Honestly, I found the whole "reading for scale" a bit distracting.

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby hinton2014 » Sun May 07, 2017 7:08 pm

Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
archer grandpapy360 wrote:I'm sorry I'm not sure if you answered my question. Are you doing timed drills? Or did you jump from untimed drills to timed full PTs?


My bad, I didn't answer it at all. No, not normally. Sometimes I use a stop watch and see how long it takes me to do a certain amount of questions varying from 15 on, but not full timed sections. I went straight from book to PT's


You should be doing strictly timed sections from here on out. Don't touch another PT until you are much closer to your target. I mean it's not the end of the world that you went straight from books to PT's, but you should stop. You're likely not getting as much out of the PT as you could be. PT's are a way to evaluate your test-taking strategies, timing/pace and stamina, and see how things shake out in the big picture. Timed sections are where you build the skills and really get a handle on the concepts. When you are down to -2/3 per section TIMED, then start back up with the PT's. Realize though that it's not a total transition. Once you start PTing again, stay with the drills. I drill around 176-77 but PT around 172-3, so it's really valuable to me to still do both. That way I can look and say "hey I know what I'm doing, but why do I lose 3-4 points on the PT", I then can address this issue with focused drilling and what not.



That totally makes sense. Do you mind sharing with me your strategy of going through and drilling? Did you just start at the beginning and are working your way forward? With LG I've had success doing a game, then if I miss any watching the 7sage and doing it again until I get a -0 for the game. How would you recommend going forward? I made major strides during the trainer because it gave me a structured run down of what to do, so now that I'm finished, I don't know what to do. I've been able to be extremely successful in undergrad just cramming as I'm sure most on this board have been able to do, but obviously this will bode negatively for the LSAT.

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby Platopus » Sun May 07, 2017 7:21 pm

hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
archer grandpapy360 wrote:I'm sorry I'm not sure if you answered my question. Are you doing timed drills? Or did you jump from untimed drills to timed full PTs?


My bad, I didn't answer it at all. No, not normally. Sometimes I use a stop watch and see how long it takes me to do a certain amount of questions varying from 15 on, but not full timed sections. I went straight from book to PT's


You should be doing strictly timed sections from here on out. Don't touch another PT until you are much closer to your target. I mean it's not the end of the world that you went straight from books to PT's, but you should stop. You're likely not getting as much out of the PT as you could be. PT's are a way to evaluate your test-taking strategies, timing/pace and stamina, and see how things shake out in the big picture. Timed sections are where you build the skills and really get a handle on the concepts. When you are down to -2/3 per section TIMED, then start back up with the PT's. Realize though that it's not a total transition. Once you start PTing again, stay with the drills. I drill around 176-77 but PT around 172-3, so it's really valuable to me to still do both. That way I can look and say "hey I know what I'm doing, but why do I lose 3-4 points on the PT", I then can address this issue with focused drilling and what not.



That totally makes sense. Do you mind sharing with me your strategy of going through and drilling? Did you just start at the beginning and are working your way forward? With LG I've had success doing a game, then if I miss any watching the 7sage and doing it again until I get a -0 for the game. How would you recommend going forward? I made major strides during the trainer because it gave me a structured run down of what to do, so now that I'm finished, I don't know what to do. I've been able to be extremely successful in undergrad just cramming as I'm sure most on this board have been able to do, but obviously this will bode negatively for the LSAT.


Yeah not a problem, here is how my drilling has progressed.

For LR:
I started on test 19 and worked through section by section until test 38. I would do each section in full and timed, and then immediately review. I don't "blind review". I grade right away. However, I start back at question 1 when reviewing and work my way back through the entire section. Questions that I remember struggling with and all missed questions I review extra thoroughly. Manhattan's board is very useful for explanations. Anything where conditional or formal logic is necessary I diagram. For "role" or "MBT" questions, I bracket the conclusion and underline the premises noting a big "P" on the side. I then cross out every answer I'm positive is incorrect. For answers where I have trouble differentiating, I circle key words where a term shift or scope shift may be the problem (words like "most", "always", etc.) It's been helpful. I didn't move on to the next section without fulling reviewing each prior section.

Note: I've saved 40-52 for continued drilling in between PT's 52-80.

For RC and LG:
I started by taking a section and just doing each passage/game on it's own. I timed myself to see how long it would take. I reviewed each game/passage right after. I didn't graduate to full timed sections until I was about consistently missing no more than -1/-2 per game/passage (many were -0). It took a while to graduate to the full timed section phase. The key here is to really be doing games/passages in no more than 10 minutes. Some should be much quicker. But once there, it's the same thing for full sections. Just drill, review and repeat. For RC, I write the supporting lines next to the correct AC. For LG, I'll review my initial set-up and evaluate. If that looks good, I'll go through and work out every question I miss. 7 sage videos for every game I miss I Q on or think my set-up was lack luster.

edit:

For PT's I do the same thing in terms of review. I grade right away, but I go through each and every question. For RC and LG, same story. It usually takes me close to 3.5-4 hrs to review a PT. I don't take the next PT until I've reviewed the previous and done at least 1 day of drilling in between.

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby hinton2014 » Sun May 07, 2017 7:37 pm

Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
archer grandpapy360 wrote:I'm sorry I'm not sure if you answered my question. Are you doing timed drills? Or did you jump from untimed drills to timed full PTs?


My bad, I didn't answer it at all. No, not normally. Sometimes I use a stop watch and see how long it takes me to do a certain amount of questions varying from 15 on, but not full timed sections. I went straight from book to PT's


You should be doing strictly timed sections from here on out. Don't touch another PT until you are much closer to your target. I mean it's not the end of the world that you went straight from books to PT's, but you should stop. You're likely not getting as much out of the PT as you could be. PT's are a way to evaluate your test-taking strategies, timing/pace and stamina, and see how things shake out in the big picture. Timed sections are where you build the skills and really get a handle on the concepts. When you are down to -2/3 per section TIMED, then start back up with the PT's. Realize though that it's not a total transition. Once you start PTing again, stay with the drills. I drill around 176-77 but PT around 172-3, so it's really valuable to me to still do both. That way I can look and say "hey I know what I'm doing, but why do I lose 3-4 points on the PT", I then can address this issue with focused drilling and what not.



That totally makes sense. Do you mind sharing with me your strategy of going through and drilling? Did you just start at the beginning and are working your way forward? With LG I've had success doing a game, then if I miss any watching the 7sage and doing it again until I get a -0 for the game. How would you recommend going forward? I made major strides during the trainer because it gave me a structured run down of what to do, so now that I'm finished, I don't know what to do. I've been able to be extremely successful in undergrad just cramming as I'm sure most on this board have been able to do, but obviously this will bode negatively for the LSAT.


Yeah not a problem, here is how my drilling has progressed.

For LR:
I started on test 19 and worked through section by section until test 38. I would do each section in full and timed, and then immediately review. I don't "blind review". I grade right away. However, I start back at question 1 when reviewing and work my way back through the entire section. Questions that I remember struggling with and all missed questions I review extra thoroughly. Manhattan's board is very useful for explanations. Anything where conditional or formal logic is necessary I diagram. For "role" or "MBT" questions, I bracket the conclusion and underline the premises noting a big "P" on the side. I then cross out every answer I'm positive is incorrect. For answers where I have trouble differentiating, I circle key words where a term shift or scope shift may be the problem (words like "most", "always", etc.) It's been helpful. I didn't move on to the next section without fulling reviewing each prior section.

Note: I've saved 40-52 for continued drilling in between PT's 52-80.

For RC and LG:
I started by taking a section and just doing each passage/game on it's own. I timed myself to see how long it would take. I reviewed each game/passage right after. I didn't graduate to full timed sections until I was about consistently missing no more than -1/-2 per game/passage (many were -0). It took a while to graduate to the full timed section phase. The key here is to really be doing games/passages in no more than 10 minutes. Some should be much quicker. But once there, it's the same thing for full sections. Just drill, review and repeat. For RC, I write the supporting lines next to the correct AC. For LG, I'll review my initial set-up and evaluate. If that looks good, I'll go through and work out every question I miss. 7 sage videos for every game I miss I Q on or think my set-up was lack luster.

edit:

For PT's I do the same thing in terms of review. I grade right away, but I go through each and every question. For RC and LG, same story. It usually takes me close to 3.5-4 hrs to review a PT. I don't take the next PT until I've reviewed the previous and done at least 1 day of drilling in between.


Thank you so much. I absolutely love this. This is exactly the structure I needed. Do you just do the whole PT in the form of a drill in a sitting or how do you do it?

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby Platopus » Sun May 07, 2017 7:39 pm

hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
archer grandpapy360 wrote:I'm sorry I'm not sure if you answered my question. Are you doing timed drills? Or did you jump from untimed drills to timed full PTs?


My bad, I didn't answer it at all. No, not normally. Sometimes I use a stop watch and see how long it takes me to do a certain amount of questions varying from 15 on, but not full timed sections. I went straight from book to PT's


You should be doing strictly timed sections from here on out. Don't touch another PT until you are much closer to your target. I mean it's not the end of the world that you went straight from books to PT's, but you should stop. You're likely not getting as much out of the PT as you could be. PT's are a way to evaluate your test-taking strategies, timing/pace and stamina, and see how things shake out in the big picture. Timed sections are where you build the skills and really get a handle on the concepts. When you are down to -2/3 per section TIMED, then start back up with the PT's. Realize though that it's not a total transition. Once you start PTing again, stay with the drills. I drill around 176-77 but PT around 172-3, so it's really valuable to me to still do both. That way I can look and say "hey I know what I'm doing, but why do I lose 3-4 points on the PT", I then can address this issue with focused drilling and what not.



That totally makes sense. Do you mind sharing with me your strategy of going through and drilling? Did you just start at the beginning and are working your way forward? With LG I've had success doing a game, then if I miss any watching the 7sage and doing it again until I get a -0 for the game. How would you recommend going forward? I made major strides during the trainer because it gave me a structured run down of what to do, so now that I'm finished, I don't know what to do. I've been able to be extremely successful in undergrad just cramming as I'm sure most on this board have been able to do, but obviously this will bode negatively for the LSAT.


Yeah not a problem, here is how my drilling has progressed.

For LR:
I started on test 19 and worked through section by section until test 38. I would do each section in full and timed, and then immediately review. I don't "blind review". I grade right away. However, I start back at question 1 when reviewing and work my way back through the entire section. Questions that I remember struggling with and all missed questions I review extra thoroughly. Manhattan's board is very useful for explanations. Anything where conditional or formal logic is necessary I diagram. For "role" or "MBT" questions, I bracket the conclusion and underline the premises noting a big "P" on the side. I then cross out every answer I'm positive is incorrect. For answers where I have trouble differentiating, I circle key words where a term shift or scope shift may be the problem (words like "most", "always", etc.) It's been helpful. I didn't move on to the next section without fulling reviewing each prior section.

Note: I've saved 40-52 for continued drilling in between PT's 52-80.

For RC and LG:
I started by taking a section and just doing each passage/game on it's own. I timed myself to see how long it would take. I reviewed each game/passage right after. I didn't graduate to full timed sections until I was about consistently missing no more than -1/-2 per game/passage (many were -0). It took a while to graduate to the full timed section phase. The key here is to really be doing games/passages in no more than 10 minutes. Some should be much quicker. But once there, it's the same thing for full sections. Just drill, review and repeat. For RC, I write the supporting lines next to the correct AC. For LG, I'll review my initial set-up and evaluate. If that looks good, I'll go through and work out every question I miss. 7 sage videos for every game I miss I Q on or think my set-up was lack luster.

edit:

For PT's I do the same thing in terms of review. I grade right away, but I go through each and every question. For RC and LG, same story. It usually takes me close to 3.5-4 hrs to review a PT. I don't take the next PT until I've reviewed the previous and done at least 1 day of drilling in between.


Thank you so much. I absolutely love this. This is exactly the structure I needed. Do you just do the whole PT in the form of a drill in a sitting or how do you do it?


No, I usually don't have enough time. I'll usually do 1-2 sections per day. So I'll break up a PT, doing LR 1 and LG, and review. Next day LR 2 and RC.

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby hinton2014 » Sun May 07, 2017 7:50 pm

Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
Platopus wrote:
hinton2014 wrote:
archer grandpapy360 wrote:I'm sorry I'm not sure if you answered my question. Are you doing timed drills? Or did you jump from untimed drills to timed full PTs?


My bad, I didn't answer it at all. No, not normally. Sometimes I use a stop watch and see how long it takes me to do a certain amount of questions varying from 15 on, but not full timed sections. I went straight from book to PT's


You should be doing strictly timed sections from here on out. Don't touch another PT until you are much closer to your target. I mean it's not the end of the world that you went straight from books to PT's, but you should stop. You're likely not getting as much out of the PT as you could be. PT's are a way to evaluate your test-taking strategies, timing/pace and stamina, and see how things shake out in the big picture. Timed sections are where you build the skills and really get a handle on the concepts. When you are down to -2/3 per section TIMED, then start back up with the PT's. Realize though that it's not a total transition. Once you start PTing again, stay with the drills. I drill around 176-77 but PT around 172-3, so it's really valuable to me to still do both. That way I can look and say "hey I know what I'm doing, but why do I lose 3-4 points on the PT", I then can address this issue with focused drilling and what not.



That totally makes sense. Do you mind sharing with me your strategy of going through and drilling? Did you just start at the beginning and are working your way forward? With LG I've had success doing a game, then if I miss any watching the 7sage and doing it again until I get a -0 for the game. How would you recommend going forward? I made major strides during the trainer because it gave me a structured run down of what to do, so now that I'm finished, I don't know what to do. I've been able to be extremely successful in undergrad just cramming as I'm sure most on this board have been able to do, but obviously this will bode negatively for the LSAT.


Yeah not a problem, here is how my drilling has progressed.

For LR:
I started on test 19 and worked through section by section until test 38. I would do each section in full and timed, and then immediately review. I don't "blind review". I grade right away. However, I start back at question 1 when reviewing and work my way back through the entire section. Questions that I remember struggling with and all missed questions I review extra thoroughly. Manhattan's board is very useful for explanations. Anything where conditional or formal logic is necessary I diagram. For "role" or "MBT" questions, I bracket the conclusion and underline the premises noting a big "P" on the side. I then cross out every answer I'm positive is incorrect. For answers where I have trouble differentiating, I circle key words where a term shift or scope shift may be the problem (words like "most", "always", etc.) It's been helpful. I didn't move on to the next section without fulling reviewing each prior section.

Note: I've saved 40-52 for continued drilling in between PT's 52-80.

For RC and LG:
I started by taking a section and just doing each passage/game on it's own. I timed myself to see how long it would take. I reviewed each game/passage right after. I didn't graduate to full timed sections until I was about consistently missing no more than -1/-2 per game/passage (many were -0). It took a while to graduate to the full timed section phase. The key here is to really be doing games/passages in no more than 10 minutes. Some should be much quicker. But once there, it's the same thing for full sections. Just drill, review and repeat. For RC, I write the supporting lines next to the correct AC. For LG, I'll review my initial set-up and evaluate. If that looks good, I'll go through and work out every question I miss. 7 sage videos for every game I miss I Q on or think my set-up was lack luster.

edit:

For PT's I do the same thing in terms of review. I grade right away, but I go through each and every question. For RC and LG, same story. It usually takes me close to 3.5-4 hrs to review a PT. I don't take the next PT until I've reviewed the previous and done at least 1 day of drilling in between.


Thank you so much. I absolutely love this. This is exactly the structure I needed. Do you just do the whole PT in the form of a drill in a sitting or how do you do it?


No, I usually don't have enough time. I'll usually do 1-2 sections per day. So I'll break up a PT, doing LR 1 and LG, and review. Next day LR 2 and RC.


That's what I figured I'd do. Because I imagine the reviewing takes a pretty decent amount of time too

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby littlelibertine » Sun May 07, 2017 9:30 pm

Platopus wrote:Yeah not a problem, here is how my drilling has progressed.

For LR:
I started on test 19 and worked through section by section until test 38. I would do each section in full and timed, and then immediately review. I don't "blind review". I grade right away. However, I start back at question 1 when reviewing and work my way back through the entire section. Questions that I remember struggling with and all missed questions I review extra thoroughly. Manhattan's board is very useful for explanations. Anything where conditional or formal logic is necessary I diagram. For "role" or "MBT" questions, I bracket the conclusion and underline the premises noting a big "P" on the side. I then cross out every answer I'm positive is incorrect. For answers where I have trouble differentiating, I circle key words where a term shift or scope shift may be the problem (words like "most", "always", etc.) It's been helpful. I didn't move on to the next section without fulling reviewing each prior section.

Note: I've saved 40-52 for continued drilling in between PT's 52-80.

For RC and LG:
I started by taking a section and just doing each passage/game on it's own. I timed myself to see how long it would take. I reviewed each game/passage right after. I didn't graduate to full timed sections until I was about consistently missing no more than -1/-2 per game/passage (many were -0). It took a while to graduate to the full timed section phase. The key here is to really be doing games/passages in no more than 10 minutes. Some should be much quicker. But once there, it's the same thing for full sections. Just drill, review and repeat. For RC, I write the supporting lines next to the correct AC. For LG, I'll review my initial set-up and evaluate. If that looks good, I'll go through and work out every question I miss. 7 sage videos for every game I miss I Q on or think my set-up was lack luster.

edit:

For PT's I do the same thing in terms of review. I grade right away, but I go through each and every question. For RC and LG, same story. It usually takes me close to 3.5-4 hrs to review a PT. I don't take the next PT until I've reviewed the previous and done at least 1 day of drilling in between.


I was lurking, but then I read this, read this a second time, and took a screenshot. Thank you, this is a great strategy for transitioning from beginning, untimed drills for accuracy to timed sections.

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby Platopus » Sun May 07, 2017 10:33 pm

hinton2014 wrote:That's what I figured I'd do. Because I imagine the reviewing takes a pretty decent amount of time too


Yeah I aim to review for close to 45 minutes to an hour. If I miss a question unexpectedly, as in I didn't mark it as a question that gave me trouble, I usually dedicate a solid 15 minutes to that question alone. The key to all this is remembering that review is not "wasting time", it's arguably the most important component. It's like going to the gym and lifting a bunch of weights without proper nutrition or rest. The nutrition/rest is arguably the harder and more important part, even though it seems like the part you can ignore/skimp.

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Re: What should I do now?

Postby tanes25 » Mon May 08, 2017 8:08 am

Someone mentioned 2-3 PT a week, but I think 3 is definitely too much. I don't think you're giving yourself enough time to BR and grasp what you're missing. After you BR you should return to the curriculum to address whatever issues you spotted during BR. BR can take a long time but it takes as long as it takes. I don't see the point in taking 3+ PT a week and you're still missing the same question types or still having the same issues. I also wouldn't time during BR. It's not a bad idea to run the timer to see how long it's taking you but the point of BR is to break apart the stimulus and go step by step to figure out where you went wrong. Your speed will improve once you master that question type and address the issues that are holding you back.



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