What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

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What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Aumming » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:10 am

Went into the June 2007 diagnostic completely blind to what was on the test or how it worked.

LG: -7 (finished 5 minutes early)
LR1: -2 (finished 10 minutes early)
LR2: -4 (finished 5 minutes early)
RC: - 2 (finished 15 minutes early)

I'm heavily counting on a 174+ because I'm going to be a super splitter applying to T14.

I took the December 2010 the next day to make sure my score wasn't a fluke and I got a 163, but I found that test significantly harder than the 2007, especially the LG and the RC sections.

Is jumping 10 points realistic? Or even more to put me in contention for scholarships. I'm currently a sophomore so I have a good amount of time ahead of me to study but I'm not sure how effective it is in the higher range of starting scores.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby 20170322 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:37 am

I got a 164 on my diagnostic, then a 174 on the thing. 177 PT average tho, so my potential was probably higher. Just shoot for a 180.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby armc808 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:52 am

Obviously diminishing returns is a factor as you near the top of the scale, but a 10 point jump is certainly possible if you put in the time and effort it needs. It won't be easy, but if you have the discipline to stick to a rigorous study schedule it is possible.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Alexandros » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:01 am

Shoot for a 16 point jump.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby em15 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:42 am

You're in a good place with LG being your weakest. That's the easiest score to improve with practice.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby laqueredup » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:45 am

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Aumming » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:56 am

laqueredup wrote:
Aumming wrote: I'm currently a sophomore so I have a good amount of time ahead of me to study but I'm not sure how effective it is in the higher range of starting scores.


Most importantly don't let LSAT Prep interfere with your GPA. You can always study more for the LSAT after graduation if you don't have time to do it properly now. Once you graduate, you can't improve the GPA though.


I'm looking at a 3.2 at maximum at graduation if I don't take summer community college courses, which if I do a 3.4 is MAYBE attainable. I don't have dreams of T6 or even T9, with Northwestern being my goal school at this point in the processes.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Aumming » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:57 am

SweetTort wrote:I got a 164 on my diagnostic, then a 174 on the thing. 177 PT average tho, so my potential was probably higher. Just shoot for a 180.

That figure is very encouraging, and will do, although I don't have dreams of grandeur that large.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby 20170322 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:24 am

Aumming wrote:
SweetTort wrote:I got a 164 on my diagnostic, then a 174 on the thing. 177 PT average tho, so my potential was probably higher. Just shoot for a 180.

That figure is very encouraging, and will do, although I don't have dreams of grandeur that large.


Here's the thing tho. You shoot for a 180, and you land at, say, a 175. You shoot for a 175, and you may get a 170. Just study your ass off. I was "disappointed" in my score in the sense that I was PTing higher, but it got me everything I wanted in terms of admissions. Study until your "disappointment" score is one that gets you everything you need.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Ilovemydogxo » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:45 pm

What is your vertical? Are you an URM? If so, what type?

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Mikey » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:52 pm

Ilovemydogxo wrote:What is your vertical? Are you an URM? If so, what type?

What does this have anything to do with what OP is asking about

Smfh

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Postby lymenheimer » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:25 pm

Mikey wrote:
Ilovemydogxo wrote:What is your vertical? Are you an URM? If so, what type?

What does this have anything to do with what OP is asking about

Smfh

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Postby Mikey » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:31 pm

lymenheimer wrote:
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Lol eh I mean, maybe. But they've brought that topic up before and got called out for it, so I just got the feeling they were being a subtle dick. I might be wrong doe.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Aumming » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:35 pm

Ilovemydogxo wrote:What is your vertical? Are you an URM? If so, what type?

I'm an African American -- but it doesn't count, I'm white, just South African. I don't plan on scheming the system. The only thing I could take advantage of is extra time due to absolutely terrible ADHD. I don't use the accommodation at school because I'm really fast at tests, as you can see by my OP, but any little bit helps I guess.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Alexandros » Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:48 pm

Mikey wrote:
Ilovemydogxo wrote:What is your vertical? Are you an URM? If so, what type?

What does this have anything to do with what OP is asking about

Smfh

Ilovemydogxo is a troll.

Source: their entire post history.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Voyager » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:16 pm

Aumming wrote:Went into the June 2007 diagnostic completely blind to what was on the test or how it worked.

LG: -7 (finished 5 minutes early)
LR1: -2 (finished 10 minutes early)
LR2: -4 (finished 5 minutes early)
RC: - 2 (finished 15 minutes early)

I'm heavily counting on a 174+ because I'm going to be a super splitter applying to T14.

I took the December 2010 the next day to make sure my score wasn't a fluke and I got a 163, but I found that test significantly harder than the 2007, especially the LG and the RC sections.

Is jumping 10 points realistic? Or even more to put me in contention for scholarships. I'm currently a sophomore so I have a good amount of time ahead of me to study but I'm not sure how effective it is in the higher range of starting scores.


Breaking 172 is a reasonable goal. I went from 164 to a 174.

To do it:

-Ace LG (perfect score)... this is easy to do with work
-Get -1 or -2 on RC
-Get -1 or -2 on LR

You aren't that far off, really. Games are very easy to perfect.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby dm1683 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:08 pm

Never ceases to amaze me how people can get into the mid-160s on cold diagnostics. To be that good at LG at the outset is just...wow. I got a 160 on my initial diagnostic using the same test (still not bad) despite performing almost exactly how you did on LR and RC (-1/-4 and -3, respectively) due to a -13 in LG. Games simply overwhelmed me, and I can't fathom having the intellectual power to solve them and get more than 2/3 correct without prior practice.

Hats off to ya.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby SunDevil14 » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:09 am

em15 wrote:You're in a good place with LG being your weakest. That's the easiest score to improve with practice.


Although there has been a trend toward more unique/difficult logic games, the section is the easiest to master with practice. With your other sections being as strong as they are on an initial diagnostic, a 10+ point improvement is realistic so long as you practice and work hard. As stated in this thread, expect diminishing returns once your score starts climbing into the 170's.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby KunAgnis » Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:34 pm

em15 wrote:You're in a good place with LG being your weakest. That's the easiest score to improve with practice.


I concur with this completely - it's very possible to consistently miss 0 on games and for you, that would be -8 on a -10 (usually) curve. Therefore if you put in the work I think you can expect at least 173 if not higher. You probably shouldn't bother with prep courses, your score is already too high for that. Just buy books and practice tests. One word of advice - don't assume you'll do as well as your PT's (practice tests). I PT'd around 177 but got a 171 - I slept 4 hours the night before and missed 6 on the last section. If you study thoroughly, take PT's under testing conditions, and rest well, I can see you score 177. Good luck! If you have questions about how super splitters fare, feel free to PM me.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Rupert Pupkin » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:34 pm

SweetTort wrote:
Aumming wrote:
SweetTort wrote:I got a 164 on my diagnostic, then a 174 on the thing. 177 PT average tho, so my potential was probably higher. Just shoot for a 180.

That figure is very encouraging, and will do, although I don't have dreams of grandeur that large.


Here's the thing tho. You shoot for a 180, and you land at, say, a 175. You shoot for a 175, and you may get a 170. Just study your ass off. I was "disappointed" in my score in the sense that I was PTing higher, but it got me everything I wanted in terms of admissions. Study until your "disappointment" score is one that gets you everything you need.


Honestly, couldn't have said it better Tort. Give it everything you got and shoot for a 180-- otherwise youll consistently come up even shorter if you don't give it everything you got because you are shorting for a lower score.

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Re: What kind of jump can I except from a 164 diagnostic

Postby Keilz » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:48 pm

Aumming wrote:
laqueredup wrote:
Aumming wrote: I'm currently a sophomore so I have a good amount of time ahead of me to study but I'm not sure how effective it is in the higher range of starting scores.


Most importantly don't let LSAT Prep interfere with your GPA. You can always study more for the LSAT after graduation if you don't have time to do it properly now. Once you graduate, you can't improve the GPA though.


I'm looking at a 3.2 at maximum at graduation if I don't take summer community college courses, which if I do a 3.4 is MAYBE attainable. I don't have dreams of T6 or even T9, with Northwestern being my goal school at this point in the processes.


if you're only a sophomore, try to get as many As as you possibly can. Focus on your GPA first, LSAT once the GPA is cemented in. Work experience is even better if you have a lower GPA, plus you can have time to focus on LSAT.



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