The Official June 2017 Study Group

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Pozzo » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:02 pm

Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
dm1683 wrote:Chances we see a weird game on test day? I'm gonna go in expecting it and tell myself to keep calm, don't freak out. I'm also doing it last for sure, just in case it's a time sink.


I'm expecting a pattern game. We had hard/weird pattern-ish games recently with Virus/WXYZ/JMLK, but an easy weird in December. Didn't hear anything crazy from Feb, so I think safe to assume there wasn't one there. Thus, I expect a hard weird after a two test break from hard weird


I could see us getting a game that appears to be "weird" on the surface, but which is in reality pretty easy if you can work through all the bullshit and think outside of the box. I'm thinking something like game 4 of PT 77. I almost would prefer this vs. a "standard" section because it seems like whenever they do this the other 3 games are easier than usual.

The key to all weird games is managing the shock at the beginning. Typically, the weirder the game appears, the easier it is. I was lucky enough to encounter viruses and buildings on test days, and from what I saw, the better you can control that initial freak-out impulse, the better you fare on the games. No use stressing out about them. Mastery of standard games gives you the time to tackle the weird ones, and keeping your cool will help you methodically work through them.


I agree with this sentiment for the most part, but I also saw Virus and buildings 'live' and had a very different experience with each of them. I found virus to be quite difficult live, and I still had a little trouble with it just recently when I retook it. Buildings I found to be mind-numbingly easy. So easy in fact that I was concerned I did it wrong because of how simple it was


Yeah, I can definitely sympathize with that. I found viruses to be a lot harder too. It wasn't as "weird" as buildings, but it was pretty open ended and required a decent amount of manual work for me. Re: controlling the initial reaction, though, what helped me with viruses was being able remain calm enough to start putting rules together to come up with some kind of board rather than becoming paralyzed that the game didn't immediately fit into a pre-defined category.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:07 pm

Pozzo wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
dm1683 wrote:Chances we see a weird game on test day? I'm gonna go in expecting it and tell myself to keep calm, don't freak out. I'm also doing it last for sure, just in case it's a time sink.


I'm expecting a pattern game. We had hard/weird pattern-ish games recently with Virus/WXYZ/JMLK, but an easy weird in December. Didn't hear anything crazy from Feb, so I think safe to assume there wasn't one there. Thus, I expect a hard weird after a two test break from hard weird


I could see us getting a game that appears to be "weird" on the surface, but which is in reality pretty easy if you can work through all the bullshit and think outside of the box. I'm thinking something like game 4 of PT 77. I almost would prefer this vs. a "standard" section because it seems like whenever they do this the other 3 games are easier than usual.

The key to all weird games is managing the shock at the beginning. Typically, the weirder the game appears, the easier it is. I was lucky enough to encounter viruses and buildings on test days, and from what I saw, the better you can control that initial freak-out impulse, the better you fare on the games. No use stressing out about them. Mastery of standard games gives you the time to tackle the weird ones, and keeping your cool will help you methodically work through them.


100% agree. Most weird games really aren't that hard, and I can only think of one weird game that would be on my list of hardest ever, and that was back from the 20s. Most modern weird games have their difficulty in the shock value that the game doesn't fit into a standard type that has a ready made, cookie cutter set up. I really didn't find the Virus game to be all that difficult except for one of the questions, and most weird games that have popped up in the 70s I've solved in about 7 minutes or less. Haven't done PT 80 yet so I can't comment on buildings, but I'd expect more of the same.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby HenryHankPalmer » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:30 pm

Pozzo wrote:
Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
Pozzo wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:
Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
dm1683 wrote:Chances we see a weird game on test day? I'm gonna go in expecting it and tell myself to keep calm, don't freak out. I'm also doing it last for sure, just in case it's a time sink.


I'm expecting a pattern game. We had hard/weird pattern-ish games recently with Virus/WXYZ/JMLK, but an easy weird in December. Didn't hear anything crazy from Feb, so I think safe to assume there wasn't one there. Thus, I expect a hard weird after a two test break from hard weird


I could see us getting a game that appears to be "weird" on the surface, but which is in reality pretty easy if you can work through all the bullshit and think outside of the box. I'm thinking something like game 4 of PT 77. I almost would prefer this vs. a "standard" section because it seems like whenever they do this the other 3 games are easier than usual.

The key to all weird games is managing the shock at the beginning. Typically, the weirder the game appears, the easier it is. I was lucky enough to encounter viruses and buildings on test days, and from what I saw, the better you can control that initial freak-out impulse, the better you fare on the games. No use stressing out about them. Mastery of standard games gives you the time to tackle the weird ones, and keeping your cool will help you methodically work through them.


I agree with this sentiment for the most part, but I also saw Virus and buildings 'live' and had a very different experience with each of them. I found virus to be quite difficult live, and I still had a little trouble with it just recently when I retook it. Buildings I found to be mind-numbingly easy. So easy in fact that I was concerned I did it wrong because of how simple it was


Yeah, I can definitely sympathize with that. I found viruses to be a lot harder too. It wasn't as "weird" as buildings, but it was pretty open ended and required a decent amount of manual work for me. Re: controlling the initial reaction, though, what helped me with viruses was being able remain calm enough to start putting rules together to come up with some kind of board rather than becoming paralyzed that the game didn't immediately fit into a pre-defined category.

Is "Buildings" the game from December '16 where the three companies were trading buildings of different values? I would be okay with another one like that, I actually found it mildly fun. My least favorite "weird" game of late was the one where the four workers had to swap a tool every day of the week. I spent so long stressing about how to set it up that I didn't make the deduction you need to make that game incredibly simple.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Platopus » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:34 pm

Future Ex-Engineer wrote:I agree with this sentiment for the most part, but I also saw Virus and buildings 'live' and had a very different experience with each of them. I found virus to be quite difficult live, and I still had a little trouble with it just recently when I retook it. Buildings I found to be mind-numbingly easy. So easy in fact that I was concerned I did it wrong because of how simple it was


Had the same reaction to buildings. Just took it today, and I finished the section 7 minutes early. I don't think I even wrote anything down other than the initial set up/rules. I hate to jinx myself here, but I'll take a weird game any day, as it probably bumps up the curve more than enough to compensate for any Q's I'd miss.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:41 pm

Instead of studying I cleaned. Feels good


God, i'm old aren't I

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Platopus » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:43 pm

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Instead of studying I cleaned. Feels good


God, i'm old aren't I


Saving my cleaning for Sunday when I'll have a shit ton of nervous energy

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Postby zkyggi » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:01 pm

On my ticket photo I am wearing my glasses, but I much prefer my contacts while testing. Should I bring my glasses and wear them until I show the proctor my ticket or will not wearing glasses at all be fine?
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zkyggi wrote:On my ticket photo I am wearing my glasses, but I much prefer my contacts while testing. Should I bring my glasses and wear them until I show the proctor my ticket or will not wearing glasses at all be fine?


Bring em and if needed put them on for check in

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby heyduchess » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:06 pm

Platopus wrote:
Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Instead of studying I cleaned. Feels good


God, i'm old aren't I


Saving my cleaning for Sunday when I'll have a shit ton of nervous energy


Here, here.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby heyduchess » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:08 pm

zkyggi wrote:On my ticket photo I am wearing my glasses, but I much prefer my contacts while testing. Should I bring my glasses and wear them until I show the proctor my ticket or will not wearing glasses at all be fine?


Currently dealing with the opposite. I'm sans glasses in my pic but test better with (removed) glasses. So I'm going in with glasses, taking them off at check in, keeping them on my desk.

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Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:12 pm

The building was just changed for my test. The old one was the same building I took the e-test in which had nice long tables and was overall pretty great. Bit bummed about that.

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Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:14 pm

Also, my hair is a bit shorter in my pic than it is now, but its still obviously me. Should I get it cut? My normal hairdresser isn't available so I'd rather not but I'm willing to deal with shit hair if it means I can test.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:44 pm

Platopus wrote:
Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Instead of studying I cleaned. Feels good


God, i'm old aren't I


Saving my cleaning for Sunday when I'll have a shit ton of nervous energy

lol I wanted to preempt to save stress.

All I'm doing Sunday is eating, playing videogames, eating more, and reading

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby saf18hornet » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:48 pm

dm1683 wrote:
Amerision wrote:
dm1683 wrote:
88234 wrote:Last prep test PT 76, cause I wanted to save an easy one for last:

RC: -3
LR: -2
LG: -0, proud of this one because I fucked up a rule and caught it in the third game
LR: -1
LG extra: -0

Scaled to 176.

Congrats! I need that confidence boost tomorrow on 80. I hear it's easier than 79 which I got 170 on (-5 on both rc and lg :x ). I've concluded that I won't be satisfied with 170 on Monday because 4.0/170 still ends up racking up 200k debt at CCN.


Ugh, don't tell me that. I'm going to be very happy if I get a 170 and have a 4.0, but you just reminded me that that's not even that high of a score :'(


I know :( I mean I guess 4/170 gets good money/full rides at lower t13s like duke and mich and nu but I want the job security of a CCN degree because I predict another recession soon.


Seriously guys, you are prestige whores. If you turn down a Mordecai or a Dillard for any debt at Columbia or NYU, you're crazy.

After YS , the next 8 are all the same to me.

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Postby MediocreAtBest » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:54 pm

Slippin' Jimmy wrote:Also, my hair is a bit shorter in my pic than it is now, but its still obviously me. Should I get it cut? My normal hairdresser isn't available so I'd rather not but I'm willing to deal with shit hair if it means I can test.


Same, but it's like cmon are they gonna be THAT strict about it. "Your hair is half an inch longer, i don't think I can let you in."

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Jack_Kelly » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:58 pm

PT 72
LR1: -2
RC: -2
LR2: -0
AR: -6
172

If the logic games are hard on Monday, pretty sure I am Grundy-bound.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby dm1683 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:59 pm

saf18hornet wrote:
dm1683 wrote:
Amerision wrote:
dm1683 wrote:
88234 wrote:Last prep test PT 76, cause I wanted to save an easy one for last:

RC: -3
LR: -2
LG: -0, proud of this one because I fucked up a rule and caught it in the third game
LR: -1
LG extra: -0

Scaled to 176.

Congrats! I need that confidence boost tomorrow on 80. I hear it's easier than 79 which I got 170 on (-5 on both rc and lg :x ). I've concluded that I won't be satisfied with 170 on Monday because 4.0/170 still ends up racking up 200k debt at CCN.


Ugh, don't tell me that. I'm going to be very happy if I get a 170 and have a 4.0, but you just reminded me that that's not even that high of a score :'(


I know :( I mean I guess 4/170 gets good money/full rides at lower t13s like duke and mich and nu but I want the job security of a CCN degree because I predict another recession soon.


Seriously guys, you are prestige whores. If you turn down a Mordecai or a Dillard for any debt at Columbia or NYU, you're crazy.

After YS , the next 8 are all the same to me.


Fair point, except when you're median from NU and don't have a job because Republicans crashed the economy again.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby dm1683 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:01 pm

Jack_Kelly wrote:PT 72
LR1: -2
RC: -2
LR2: -0
AR: -6
172

If the logic games are hard on Monday, pretty sure I am Grundy-bound.


Let's join hands in prayer that this is not the case.

I'm actually seriously considering going to church on sunday LOL.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:08 pm

saf18hornet wrote:
dm1683 wrote:
Amerision wrote:
dm1683 wrote:
88234 wrote:Last prep test PT 76, cause I wanted to save an easy one for last:

RC: -3
LR: -2
LG: -0, proud of this one because I fucked up a rule and caught it in the third game
LR: -1
LG extra: -0

Scaled to 176.

Congrats! I need that confidence boost tomorrow on 80. I hear it's easier than 79 which I got 170 on (-5 on both rc and lg :x ). I've concluded that I won't be satisfied with 170 on Monday because 4.0/170 still ends up racking up 200k debt at CCN.


Ugh, don't tell me that. I'm going to be very happy if I get a 170 and have a 4.0, but you just reminded me that that's not even that high of a score :'(


I know :( I mean I guess 4/170 gets good money/full rides at lower t13s like duke and mich and nu but I want the job security of a CCN degree because I predict another recession soon.


Seriously guys, you are prestige whores. If you turn down a Mordecai or a Dillard for any debt at Columbia or NYU, you're crazy.

After YS , the next 8 are all the same to me.


Agreed. The outcomes at CCN and Duke/UVA are only really different at the margins. If your goal is big law (or even Fed Clerkship) going to CCN vs. Duke UVA makes no sense considering CCN is almost guaranteed to be more expensive unless you get a Ruby.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby runnergirl159 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:06 pm

Wrote PT 80 today:

LR 1: -3
RC: -1
LG: -2
LR 2: -3

171

Thanks everyone for the advice. I chilled out yesterday (nothing LSAT at all), and I seem to have combatted burnout :)

I'm pretty happy with this score, but also a little confused. RC has historically been my worst section by far (-2 to -6) but today I killed it.
I finished with 5 minutes to go (I never finish RC early), and was pretty confident I had gotten everything right (only missed the last question, that was a parallel reasoning type q). LR used to be my best section, so I'm not sure what happened there lol. LG was pretty ok, I predictably messed up on the
"weird" game, but after BR-ing I figured it out in 1 minute. I think I just need to keep my cool better. From the past few 70's prep tests, it seems like LSAC is throwing in a weird game, but it's not really that bad once you figure it out. Good luck to everyone who's writing their last PT tomorrow!

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:32 pm

archer grandpapy360 wrote:Is it ever a good idea to do light drilling or retake an old PT the day before?


Im considering it to keep me fresh

But like, you could also drill before the test?



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