The Official June 2017 Study Group

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DOLPHINS, ARE YOU READY TO CRUSH THIS TEST?

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby heyduchess » Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:19 am

Amerision wrote:
heyduchess wrote:Today, I took 79 and got the worst score I've gotten since February. I was fine on LG. Like totally fine.

And then just bombed everything else. Even now, looking at the answers, I see how they coulllld be right, but my answer feels better?

GAH BRB WHILE I CRY IN MY SHOWER LIKE TOBIAS FROM ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT.


Hey, you listen here. Tobias may cry in the shower but he was in the goddamn Blue Man Group. He did fine and so will you!


I think he was just auditioning to be an understudy and that's why he blue himself, but kind words nonetheless.

Gorsuch- I think that's what did me in. I NEVER read stim first and I gave it a whirl.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby InterLaw » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:12 am

Just fell down to 167 on PT73 after 10 >170 with 174 average.
I went -6 LG after an average of -0.5.
I f@#king fear that something like this could happen.

The good news is: I don't think I could go lower than that and for some school I'm interested in this would be enough for $$$.
But after a some >175, throwing away any chance to t14 would be a bit disappointing. Just a bit.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:57 am

InterLaw wrote:Just fell down to 167 on PT73 after 10 >170 with 174 average.
I went -6 LG after an average of -0.5.
I f@#king fear that something like this could happen.

The good news is: I don't think I could go lower than that and for some school I'm interested in this would be enough for $$$.
But after a some >175, throwing away any chance to t14 would be a bit disappointing. Just a bit.


It'll be alright dude. Rather have the blow up now than on test day. I had my breakdown last Friday. It was a 166, and the lowest I've ever scored since my cold diagnostic last September.

Fixed it all up and came back with a 172 on Monday. We've got this!

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby roflsat » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:18 am

heyduchess wrote:Do y'all know if we need to print our ticket in color? Or is B&W chill?


I e-mailed LSAC to ask about this, and was told that B&W is fine.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:32 am

roflsat wrote:
heyduchess wrote:Do y'all know if we need to print our ticket in color? Or is B&W chill?


I e-mailed LSAC to ask about this, and was told that B&W is fine.


Can confirm - have taken B&W picture to a test and had it be fine.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:00 am

I ate goat stew last night I think this counts as a goat sacrifice

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:06 am

Thoughts on not scoring final PT? I want to get another one in but it would be nice psychologically to go in with my most recent being a 176.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Amerision » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:10 am

Slippin' Jimmy wrote:Thoughts on not scoring final PT? I want to get another one in but it would be nice psychologically to go in with my most recent being a 176.


I can generally tell after a PT whether I did well or not, so if you can do the same, I'd say to base your decision to score off that.
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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby calmike » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:36 am

Where can I ask for help with a question?

I dont want to post here since it might be a spoiler.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby calmike » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:40 am

Does "Virtually All" = Most?

I thought it "Virtually All" meant "All" LOL

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:44 am

calmike wrote:Where can I ask for help with a question?

I dont want to post here since it might be a spoiler.

Just use a spoiler tag

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:46 am

calmike wrote:Does "Virtually All" = Most?

I thought it "Virtually All" meant "All" LOL

Yeah you can't infer all bc they kinda imply that there some that are not in the group

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby dm1683 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:40 pm

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:
calmike wrote:Does "Virtually All" = Most?

I thought it "Virtually All" meant "All" LOL

Yeah you can't infer all bc they kinda imply that there some that are not in the group


Yeah virtually all means most.

I hear drops in pt scores before test day are relatively common and usually don't mean much, gonna keep this in mind when I do 79 tomorrow.

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Postby Barry grandpapy » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:42 pm

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby zkyggi » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:01 pm

Neil_Gorsuch wrote:
Also, in my experience, reading the question before the stimulus is a bad, bad idea. The only possible exception is MP / Conclusion.


While it is probably too late for people to change their approach, I think stem first really helped me improve in LR. I really don't see any downside for people who understand the concepts. If someone is still conceptually weak, I could see some real issues with a stem first approach.
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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby mwells56 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:09 pm

PT74

LR1: -1
LG: -1
RC: -1
LR2: -4

174

Holy crap that's two in a row beating my personal best. I've taken this test before, but that was way back in when I was studying for the September test. I've basically completely changed my approach to everything since then. I didn't remember any of questions whatsoever, but I can't rule out that subconsciously I kind of remembered. Either way, this is huge for my confidence. I felt like I bombed games but somehow I pulled it out. Finished LR1 with like 7-8 minutes left.

This has me feeling so freaking good. I re-started my prep in January and was only able to crack 170+ twice over the course of 10 tests, now I'm 3 for my last 3. Not sure if I'm going to take PT75 tomorrow or Friday (saving PT80 for Sunday). Hell. Yeah.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby calmike » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:11 pm

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:
calmike wrote:Does "Virtually All" = Most?

I thought it "Virtually All" meant "All" LOL

Yeah you can't infer all bc they kinda imply that there some that are not in the group


When I first saw "Virtually All", i thought it meant something like "Basically all".

What does virtually mean lol

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Jack_Kelly » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:24 pm

June '07 (the one on the LSAC site, I'm close to out of ones I have)
LG -4
LR1: 0
LR2: -3
RC: -0
171

For fuck's sake, that would have been a 178 if I could just not fuck up on the games for once (also, brutal curve). Guess that's all I'm doing the next several days.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:47 pm

calmike wrote:
Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:
calmike wrote:Does "Virtually All" = Most?

I thought it "Virtually All" meant "All" LOL

Yeah you can't infer all bc they kinda imply that there some that are not in the group


When I first saw "Virtually All", i thought it meant something like "Basically all".

What does virtually mean lol


You're not wrong with "basically all". I'd think virtually all means "almost all".


Think of it this way, if I say "virtually all sea turtles live in the ocean" and you say "that's not true, I just saw one in the aquarium", I am not forced to revise my statement, bc it allows for exceptions.


If I say "all sea turtles live in the ocean" and you say "that's not true, I just saw one in the aquarium" then my statement is false.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby MediocreAtBest » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:36 pm

[+] Spoiler
The first 8 answers on pt71's LR are either E or D


I felt fairly confident in choosing the answers, but when that happens it definitely throws me off a bit.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby heyduchess » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:56 pm

MediocreAtBest wrote:
[+] Spoiler
The first 8 answers on pt71's LR are either E or D


I felt fairly confident in choosing the answers, but when that happens it definitely throws me off a bit.


[+] Spoiler
this happens in the Virus exam, too. one section starts with almost all a's and d's.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:27 pm

zkyggi wrote:
Neil_Gorsuch wrote:
Also, in my experience, reading the question before the stimulus is a bad, bad idea. The only possible exception is MP / Conclusion.


While it is probably too late for people to change their approach, I think stem first really helped me improve in LR. I really don't see any downside for people who understand the concepts. If someone is still conceptually weak, I could see some real issues with a stem first approach.


I don't understand this at all. I tried both ways. Originally I started by reading stimulus first, then question. Often, because of the long stimulus, I wouldn't remember the specific portion I needed for the answer.

Started doing stem first when the Trainer suggested it. Hated it for the first two days, then it greatly increased my speed and accuracy. Went from 33 minutes/section -5 avg misses per section to 26 minutes/section average -2.5 misses per section.

At the end of the day I guess it comes down to personal preference, and how your brain works, but I can't see a single argument against stem first.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:35 pm

Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
zkyggi wrote:
Neil_Gorsuch wrote:
Also, in my experience, reading the question before the stimulus is a bad, bad idea. The only possible exception is MP / Conclusion.


While it is probably too late for people to change their approach, I think stem first really helped me improve in LR. I really don't see any downside for people who understand the concepts. If someone is still conceptually weak, I could see some real issues with a stem first approach.


I don't understand this at all. I tried both ways. Originally I started by reading stimulus first, then question. Often, because of the long stimulus, I wouldn't remember the specific portion I needed for the answer.

Started doing stem first when the Trainer suggested it. Hated it for the first two days, then it greatly increased my speed and accuracy. Went from 33 minutes/section -5 avg misses per section to 26 minutes/section average -2.5 misses per section.

At the end of the day I guess it comes down to personal preference, and how your brain works, but I can't see a single argument against stem first.



I actually was a pro stem firstborn person, but this time around in my prep I changed and I like Q first more now. I feel like I have a better understanding of questions. My av dropped a little and I'm stronger in LR now than before, but I wasn't exactly bad before either.


TBH I think it comes down to "feel". Some people might not really rely on methods and so don't need stem first to trigger them to look for things. For others it might be helpful.
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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby it's allgood » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:36 pm

zkyggi wrote:
Neil_Gorsuch wrote:
Also, in my experience, reading the question before the stimulus is a bad, bad idea. The only possible exception is MP / Conclusion.


While it is probably too late for people to change their approach, I think stem first really helped me improve in LR. I really don't see any downside for people who understand the concepts. If someone is still conceptually weak, I could see some real issues with a stem first approach.


Yes, it helped me too! Someone on here suggested to me to read the stem first for RC and LR and I have been out of the 160s ever since I started doing that.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:37 pm

it's allgood wrote:
zkyggi wrote:
Neil_Gorsuch wrote:
Also, in my experience, reading the question before the stimulus is a bad, bad idea. The only possible exception is MP / Conclusion.


While it is probably too late for people to change their approach, I think stem first really helped me improve in LR. I really don't see any downside for people who understand the concepts. If someone is still conceptually weak, I could see some real issues with a stem first approach.


Yes, it helped me too! Someone on here suggested to me to read the stem first for RC and LR and I have been out of the 160s ever since I started doing that.


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