The Official June 2017 Study Group

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Sat May 13, 2017 8:49 pm

saf18hornet wrote:
MediocreAtBest wrote:
Mikey wrote:
I usually try and talk to people/socialize (recruit people to drink) but I think this time I'm going full gunner.
I think I'm just gonna talk to the person behind or in front of me like I did for my 2 other takes. I remember when I told a chick that I had studied for about 5 months, she was like "WHAT?? I studied for about a month but like 2 times a week after work ". Bet you she scored way fucking higher than I did.


Sometimes I forget that the vast majority of people are more like that girl than they are like the people on TLS.


Seriously though, when I see people all FML over their 173 PT score (looking at like half the folks on this thread) it's pretty crazy to me. Less than half of 1% of test takers even need a score over say 171.

If you have a 3.85+, you are getting good money at a T10 with a 166+. And while a 180 is higher than a 174, neither of those numbers will markedly affect your final outcome at acceptance to Yale, and certainly not Stanford. Lets not even mention HLS who will be riding behind Chicago within a few years.


I mean I'm all for calling out TLS neuroticism about LSAT scores, but your claim about 166/3.85 getting 'good' money at T10 is patently false. I definitely outperformed my numbers this past cycle with a 168/3.98, and the best T10 offer I got was $120k at Michigan. Sure that's a pretty good outcome, but someone with a weaker GPA and two points lower is definitely not getting anywhere close to that (probably paying sticker or 85% tuition) unless they're URM.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby dm1683 » Sat May 13, 2017 8:54 pm

saf18hornet wrote:
MediocreAtBest wrote:
Mikey wrote:
I usually try and talk to people/socialize (recruit people to drink) but I think this time I'm going full gunner.
I think I'm just gonna talk to the person behind or in front of me like I did for my 2 other takes. I remember when I told a chick that I had studied for about 5 months, she was like "WHAT?? I studied for about a month but like 2 times a week after work ". Bet you she scored way fucking higher than I did.


Sometimes I forget that the vast majority of people are more like that girl than they are like the people on TLS.


Seriously though, when I see people all FML over their 173 PT score (looking at like half the folks on this thread) it's pretty crazy to me. Less than half of 1% of test takers even need a score over say 171.

If you have a 3.85+, you are getting good money at a T10 with a 166+. And while a 180 is higher than a 174, neither of those numbers will markedly affect your final outcome at acceptance to Yale, and certainly not Stanford. Lets not even mention HLS who will be riding behind Chicago within a few years.


Agreed. I get a 170+ and I'm done. No retaking. Even if I keep PTing 174,175 etc.
I disagree on the bolded though. No way a 3.8/167 is getting any substantial scholarships. Maybe like 10k/yr from UVA or something.

With a 3.8 you need at least a 170 to start to see $$$ from T10. Except maybe Michigan. Hell I have a higher GPA than that and I'll need a 170 just to get anything from Chicago at all.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby dm1683 » Sat May 13, 2017 8:58 pm

Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
saf18hornet wrote:
MediocreAtBest wrote:
Mikey wrote:
I usually try and talk to people/socialize (recruit people to drink) but I think this time I'm going full gunner.
I think I'm just gonna talk to the person behind or in front of me like I did for my 2 other takes. I remember when I told a chick that I had studied for about 5 months, she was like "WHAT?? I studied for about a month but like 2 times a week after work ". Bet you she scored way fucking higher than I did.


Sometimes I forget that the vast majority of people are more like that girl than they are like the people on TLS.


Seriously though, when I see people all FML over their 173 PT score (looking at like half the folks on this thread) it's pretty crazy to me. Less than half of 1% of test takers even need a score over say 171.

If you have a 3.85+, you are getting good money at a T10 with a 166+. And while a 180 is higher than a 174, neither of those numbers will markedly affect your final outcome at acceptance to Yale, and certainly not Stanford. Lets not even mention HLS who will be riding behind Chicago within a few years.


I mean I'm all for calling out TLS neuroticism about LSAT scores, but your claim about 166/3.85 getting 'good' money at T10 is patently false. I definitely outperformed my numbers this past cycle with a 168/3.98, and the best T10 offer I got was $120k at Michigan. Sure that's a pretty good outcome, but someone with a weaker GPA and two points lower is definitely not getting anywhere close to that (probably paying sticker or 85% tuition) unless they're URM.


LOL I didn't see your post. I said the same thing. You didn't take Mich's 120k though? Wow, I would have sprung at that (of course I want Midwest biglaw so I might be in a different situation).

Did you get in anywhere higher? I bet Chicago took you at sticker.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Sat May 13, 2017 9:12 pm

dm1683 wrote:
Future Ex-Engineer wrote:
saf18hornet wrote:
MediocreAtBest wrote:
Mikey wrote:
I usually try and talk to people/socialize (recruit people to drink) but I think this time I'm going full gunner.
I think I'm just gonna talk to the person behind or in front of me like I did for my 2 other takes. I remember when I told a chick that I had studied for about 5 months, she was like "WHAT?? I studied for about a month but like 2 times a week after work ". Bet you she scored way fucking higher than I did.


Sometimes I forget that the vast majority of people are more like that girl than they are like the people on TLS.


Seriously though, when I see people all FML over their 173 PT score (looking at like half the folks on this thread) it's pretty crazy to me. Less than half of 1% of test takers even need a score over say 171.

If you have a 3.85+, you are getting good money at a T10 with a 166+. And while a 180 is higher than a 174, neither of those numbers will markedly affect your final outcome at acceptance to Yale, and certainly not Stanford. Lets not even mention HLS who will be riding behind Chicago within a few years.


I mean I'm all for calling out TLS neuroticism about LSAT scores, but your claim about 166/3.85 getting 'good' money at T10 is patently false. I definitely outperformed my numbers this past cycle with a 168/3.98, and the best T10 offer I got was $120k at Michigan. Sure that's a pretty good outcome, but someone with a weaker GPA and two points lower is definitely not getting anywhere close to that (probably paying sticker or 85% tuition) unless they're URM.


LOL I didn't see your post. I said the same thing. You didn't take Mich's 120k though? Wow, I would have sprung at that (of course I want Midwest biglaw so I might be in a different situation).

Did you get in anywhere higher? I bet Chicago took you at sticker.


I actually got in everywhere I applied, Chicago and down (wait listed at H). Offered 30k at UChi, 65k at NYU, various amounts ranging from 50-105k pretty much everywhere else (didn't apply to Columbia).

I thought about taking it (Michigan), but I had that 168 on three weeks of studying, and knew I could do better/I currently have a good job and am in no rush to start school back. Planning on shooting for perfect in June and then hope to have my take of top schools for free.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Sat May 13, 2017 9:13 pm

Been at the beach this weekend so only going at half speed. All I did today was review Trainer S.A. Lessons and do a drill set since I've been missing this question type lately. I'll probably do a timed RC section tomorrow and then get back to full time with a Monday PT.

I debated not going on the vacation but the couple days I'll be out here will be good to charge up for the stretch run.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Sat May 13, 2017 9:16 pm

Also, with a 3.80-3.85 where in terms of LSAT should I need for lower/mid T13? Of course I'm always trying for 180 but I'm debating what my threshold to not retake would be. I'm specifically targeting UVA, Duke and Cornel with my #1 goal being DC big law.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby dm1683 » Sat May 13, 2017 9:21 pm

Slippin' Jimmy wrote:Also, with a 3.80-3.85 where in terms of LSAT should I need for lower/mid T13? Of course I'm always trying for 180 but I'm debating what my threshold to not retake would be. I'm specifically targeting UVA, Duke and Cornel with my #1 goal being DC big law.


Aim for 180 I would say 170 would get you a sizable scholarship to those schools. 167/168 a small scholarship. 165(?)/166 would get you in by the skin of your teeth but at sticker which is muy malo.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Mint-Berry_Crunch » Sat May 13, 2017 10:27 pm

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Future Ex-Engineer » Sat May 13, 2017 10:31 pm

dm1683 wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:Also, with a 3.80-3.85 where in terms of LSAT should I need for lower/mid T13? Of course I'm always trying for 180 but I'm debating what my threshold to not retake would be. I'm specifically targeting UVA, Duke and Cornel with my #1 goal being DC big law.


Aim for 180 I would say 170 would get you a sizable scholarship to those schools. 167/168 a small scholarship. 165(?)/166 would get you in by the skin of your teeth but at sticker which is muy malo.


To echo: I feel that UVA and Duke both lowballed me this year (168/3.98) with offers around 55k. Cornell threw around 100k at me. As such, I'd agree with the assessment above. 170 seems to be a pretty magical score for seeing large money from 8-13.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Roadto180 » Sat May 13, 2017 11:44 pm

Do you guys notate for Reading Comprehension?

I think I'm pretty good at Games but I always blank when it comes to mastering the scenarios and for that reason my scores are not where they should be. Any advice on how to overcome this?

Thanks.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby zkyggi » Sun May 14, 2017 12:32 am

zkyggi wrote:First PT since finals earlier this week, and it went terrible.

LR1: -4
LG: -0
RC: -5
LR2: -5

168

I felt totally out of my rhythm, to the point where I almost ran out everything but LG. During LR1 I thought I just needed to warm up but it never really came to me. I hope it is just a matter of getting back into the swing of things.

I haven't reviewed yet, but I get the feeling I'm going to be extremely frustrated by some of my mistakes. In any case, I'm finally free of all obligations until test day.


My prediction proved true. 5/9 of the LR questions I missed were easy questions that were glaringly obvious during review. I don't know what was going on this morning, I couldn't seem to comprehend anything. Overall, I feel good about the test but I am peeved that I burned a PT from the 70s on a bungled take.
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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby InterLaw » Sun May 14, 2017 7:01 am

Speaking of lsat/gpa combination - and I know this is not the thread, so just a small question - do you know anything about international applicants? I mean, we don't have a gpa. They will weight even heavier our lsat right? This could have its benefits I think.. We can't higher, but neither lower the gpa median of any law school...

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Sun May 14, 2017 9:15 am

InterLaw wrote:Speaking of lsat/gpa combination - and I know this is not the thread, so just a small question - do you know anything about international applicants? I mean, we don't have a gpa. They will weight even heavier our lsat right? This could have its benefits I think.. We can't higher, but neither lower the gpa median of any law school...


I'm pretty sure your LSAT just becomes a lot more important. I'd also figure softs may get more consideration than normal but don't quote me on that, just a 0L.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Walliums » Sun May 14, 2017 10:03 am

dm1683 wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:Also, with a 3.80-3.85 where in terms of LSAT should I need for lower/mid T13? Of course I'm always trying for 180 but I'm debating what my threshold to not retake would be. I'm specifically targeting UVA, Duke and Cornel with my #1 goal being DC big law.


Aim for 180 I would say 170 would get you a sizable scholarship to those schools. 167/168 a small scholarship. 165(?)/166 would get you in by the skin of your teeth but at sticker which is muy malo.


What I would give for a 3.85 - 3.9

I feel like my 3.75 is a whole new numbers game

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby MediocreAtBest » Sun May 14, 2017 12:43 pm

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Low gpa club sup


Selling my soul to lsat


Sub-3.0 gpa club sup. Where are my future applicants with a Harvard LSAT score and a Cooley GPA????

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby tuna_wasabi » Sun May 14, 2017 12:43 pm

PT 74. Took it after work on Thursday.

LR 1: 0
LG: 0
RC: -4 hah :?
LR2: -2
Score: 176

Experimental sections:
LG (PT 12.2): -1
RC (PT 12.3) 0

Few things I noticed when blind-reviewing: (1) 2 of the mistakes I made on RC are due to not reading the questions or ACs carefully. The other 2 are practically a lost cause because I wasn't able to determine the correct answers after spending substantial time on them. (2) The 2 mistakes in second LR are degree issues: "one of the highest" versus "highest" and "usually" versus "always". (3) Still need to work on timing for LG. A difficult game would fuck me over.

Overall, need to improve on RC.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby Platopus » Sun May 14, 2017 1:07 pm

lynn.wibi wrote:PT 74. Took it after work on Thursday.

LR 1: 0
LG: 0
RC: -4 hah :?
LR2: -2
Score: 176

Experimental sections:
LG (PT 12.2): -1
RC (PT 12.3) 0

Few things I noticed when blind-reviewing: (1) 2 of the mistakes I made on RC are due to not reading the questions or ACs carefully. The other 2 are practically a lost cause because I wasn't able to determine the correct answers after spending substantial time on them. (2) The 2 mistakes in second LR are degree issues: "one of the highest" versus "highest" and "usually" versus "always". (3) Still need to work on timing for LG. A difficult game would fuck me over.

Overall, need to improve on RC.


Great score! Seems like you can definitely improve though, especially if you are catching your mistakes. I wouldn't worry too much about those 2 elusive RC questions, but I would worry a lot about the other two. I know it sounds crazy, but being unhappy with a 176 on your PT is a good thing.

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby InterLaw » Sun May 14, 2017 1:36 pm

PT53:

LR: -3
RC: -4
LG: -7
Scaled: 167

I got wrong a rule in game 2, struggled and lost tons of time because it didn't make sense (I re-read the rules 2 or 3 times and always read an "...after...or before..." as "after...or after...") and reached the last game with almost no time. -0 LG on BR.

I want to jump under a train...

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby MediocreAtBest » Sun May 14, 2017 5:29 pm

My LR struggles continue, it's like I just can't get over the hump. Starting to get pretty worried, it's my only obstacle to 175+

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby zkyggi » Sun May 14, 2017 5:47 pm

Took PT 73 today:

RC: -4
LR1: -1
LG: -0
LR2: -0

176 (No score for a 177 :x )

This is my best PT so far. After yesterday's debacle, I needed this. I'm hoping yesterday was just a fluke and today was not.

I do think I need to start employing a warm-up routine. I missed three on passage two of RC.
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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby calmike » Sun May 14, 2017 5:49 pm

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Low gpa club sup


Selling my soul to lsat



I have a 2.9 gpa. FML LOL

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby calmike » Sun May 14, 2017 5:50 pm

Roadto180 wrote:Do you guys notate for Reading Comprehension?

I think I'm pretty good at Games but I always blank when it comes to mastering the scenarios and for that reason my scores are not where they should be. Any advice on how to overcome this?

Thanks.


I sometimes put a word or two next to a paragraph just to remind me of the main idea of the paragraph. I underline important names, dates, important information and I notate Definitions

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby calmike » Sun May 14, 2017 5:51 pm

MediocreAtBest wrote:
Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Low gpa club sup


Selling my soul to lsat


Sub-3.0 gpa club sup. Where are my future applicants with a Harvard LSAT score and a Cooley GPA????


Here! High PTs and low gpa lol

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby calmike » Sun May 14, 2017 5:53 pm

zkyggi wrote:Took PT 73 today:

RC: -4
LR1: -1
LG: -0
LR2: -0

176 (No score for a 177 :x )

This is my best PT so far. After yesterday's debacle, I needed this. I'm hoping yesterday was just a fluke and today was not.

I do think I need to start employing a warm-up routine. I missed three on passage two of RC.


Wow that's really good! Wow 5 wrong and still got a 176. That must have been a tough curve. Good luck! Are you planning to take warm up before every PT and for your LSAT?

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Re: The Official June 2017 Study Group

Postby calmike » Sun May 14, 2017 5:54 pm

Platopus wrote:
calmike wrote:I felt like I cheated myself today.

I took PT 67 today but I forgot to add an experimental section meaning I took a timed 4-section test today.

I scored a 176, my highest Practice score ever.

RC: -2
LR1: -1
LG: -1
LR:-1

I was really impressed by my score today since I have never scored this high before. I thought I had made more mistakes in RC and LR. I did not blind review. I am just going to review my wrong answers. I keep improving as I take more practice tests. However, I feel like my score today does not reflect my actual score potential since I did only 4- sections. :(

The last LG game was tough! I was stuck with one question.


If it makes you feel better, I've taken a couple of 4 section tests and haven't noticed any difference in scores overall, or in particular sections. If you go straight from the 3rd to the 4th section you get the same level of mental fatigue. I would suggest though that you still review the test in it's entirety, and not just your wrong answers, especially if you feel like you did worse than you actually did. It's just as important to understand why your victories are victories, as it is to understand why your mistakes are your mistakes.



Wow thank you! This is very reassuring. During 4 section PTs, I always took the 15 min break in between section 3 and 4. For next test, I will try not taking the break. I will also get to finish the PT sooner. Thanks!



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