Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

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Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby SunDevil14 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:14 pm

Not that the the topic is extremely concerning, though I am curious if Lsac's scaled scores as listed on the table of the final pages of Lsac officials tests is the most accurate indicator/gold standard?

Occasionally the scaled scores provided by the Lsac table and those of 7sage analytics will differ by a point.

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Re: Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby galeatus » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:23 pm

SunDevil14 wrote:Not that the the topic is extremely concerning, though I am curious if Lsac's scaled scores as listed on the table of the final pages of Lsac officials tests is the most accurate indicator/gold standard?

Occasionally the scaled scores provided by the Lsac table and those of 7sage analytics will differ by a point.


I mean, LSAC write, score, and curve all of the tests, so pretty damn sure that there won't be a scale that's more accurate than the one at the back of each PT

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Re: Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby SunDevil14 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:45 pm

galeatus wrote:
SunDevil14 wrote:Not that the the topic is extremely concerning, though I am curious if Lsac's scaled scores as listed on the table of the final pages of Lsac officials tests is the most accurate indicator/gold standard?

Occasionally the scaled scores provided by the Lsac table and those of 7sage analytics will differ by a point.


I mean, LSAC write, score, and curve all of the tests, so pretty damn sure that there won't be a scale that's more accurate than the one at the back of each PT


Thanks that was my assumption

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Re: Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby maybeman » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:11 pm

There's a difference?? I don't think there's a difference

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Re: Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby Rupert Pupkin » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:14 am

galeatus wrote:
SunDevil14 wrote:Not that the the topic is extremely concerning, though I am curious if Lsac's scaled scores as listed on the table of the final pages of Lsac officials tests is the most accurate indicator/gold standard?

Occasionally the scaled scores provided by the Lsac table and those of 7sage analytics will differ by a point.


I mean, LSAC write, score, and curve all of the tests, so pretty damn sure that there won't be a scale that's more accurate than the one at the back of each PT


Yeah, I agree. I'd say LSAC is the gold standard.

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Re: Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby alan-7sage » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:27 pm

SunDevil14 wrote:Occasionally the scaled scores provided by the Lsac table and those of 7sage analytics will differ by a point.


Hi SunDevil14, could you please let me know what PTs seem to differ from LSAC?

If we made a mistake, we want to know and fix it asap!

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Re: Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby SunDevil14 » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:17 pm

alan-7sage wrote:
SunDevil14 wrote:Occasionally the scaled scores provided by the Lsac table and those of 7sage analytics will differ by a point.


Hi SunDevil14, could you please let me know what PTs seem to differ from LSAC?

If we made a mistake, we want to know and fix it asap!



No worries, you guys do a great job and provide excellent resources. Nearly, all of the tests are accurate. Unfortunately I cannot remember off the top of my head the few that differ. I have put over 30 tests into the database and cannot recall the exact test that differed by a point. Although the latest test I took, which was PT 46, 7sage scored the test as a 175 where as the Lsac listed it at a 176.

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Re: Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby alan-7sage » Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:37 pm

SunDevil14 wrote:
alan-7sage wrote:
SunDevil14 wrote:Occasionally the scaled scores provided by the Lsac table and those of 7sage analytics will differ by a point.

... could you please let me know what PTs seem to differ from LSAC?

... the latest test I took, which was PT 46, 7sage scored the test as a 175 where as the Lsac listed it at a 176.


Hi SunDevil14, I think I may know what happened. PT 46 has a question that was removed from scoring - question 9 from section 1 (RC).

Our grader currently translates a raw score of 94 (5 wrong) as 175, which matches the scoring sheet of the copy of PT 46 I have.

I've seen cases in the past where students have accidentally mis-scored themselves because of these "removed from scoring" questions. I've done it myself in the past - the removed questions complicates scoring.

What happens is that someone counts up the number they got wrong, say 5. Then they total up the number of questions from each section, forgetting to subtract the question that was removed from scoring, for example coming to a total of 100 instead of 99. Then they calculate their score as 100-5=95 instead of 99-5=94.

That said, I may have messed up my math somewhere, gotten the wrong scoring sheet, or otherwise be mistaken. Do you mind please double checking your raw score?

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Re: Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby SunDevil14 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:32 pm

alan-7sage wrote:
SunDevil14 wrote:
alan-7sage wrote:
SunDevil14 wrote:Occasionally the scaled scores provided by the Lsac table and those of 7sage analytics will differ by a point.

... could you please let me know what PTs seem to differ from LSAC?

... the latest test I took, which was PT 46, 7sage scored the test as a 175 where as the Lsac listed it at a 176.


Hi SunDevil14, I think I may know what happened. PT 46 has a question that was removed from scoring - question 9 from section 1 (RC).

Our grader currently translates a raw score of 94 (5 wrong) as 175, which matches the scoring sheet of the copy of PT 46 I have.

I've seen cases in the past where students have accidentally mis-scored themselves because of these "removed from scoring" questions. I've done it myself in the past - the removed questions complicates scoring.

What happens is that someone counts up the number they got wrong, say 5. Then they total up the number of questions from each section, forgetting to subtract the question that was removed from scoring, for example coming to a total of 100 instead of 99. Then they calculate their score as 100-5=95 instead of 99-5=94.

That said, I may have messed up my math somewhere, gotten the wrong scoring sheet, or otherwise be mistaken. Do you mind please double checking your raw score?


I always use the subtraction method you described above, so I am sure that the tests where there was a discrepancy are ones that have questions removed. It never occurred to me that I should subtract another point for those questions. I supposed in the back of the head I had the high-school/university assumption that if a whomever was giving the test "F"ed up on a question they'd be nice enough to give you a free point. I gave Lsac too much credit haha.

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Re: Is Lsac the Gold Standard? Disprencies Betwen the Lsac and 7sage scaled scores

Postby alan-7sage » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:44 pm

Thanks for letting me know - I'm glad there isn't a problem with our scoring tables :)

Congrats on the awesome PT scores, I hope you kick ass on the test!



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