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whacka wrote:i brought a peanut butter sammy and no water bc I thought that there would be water fountains and the entire building had literally no water fountains which might be illegal? So I had PB in my mouth for the last two sections

artistar wrote:Daammmnn you all are cruel. Don't hate on the fourth-tier kids with their 150 lsat scores. Some people just want to work in their hometown and keep a low-key profile. They don't even live in a world where Yale is thought of as a possibility, and maybe even if they did they might not care.

deant286 wrote:There were only about 20 or so students at my testing center. Beforehand we were discussing expected scores, study materials used, law schools we wanted to apply to, etc. etc. I don't know if these are the "war stories" you were looking for, but mostly these people were just saying hilarious/frightening things about their prep/future plans that I wanted to share here because no one I know in reality would understand why I was so dumbfounded:

Every single person, save for two that were not involved in the discussion, listed at least one law school ranging from 50 on down that they were intending on applying to. Many were exclusively applying to schools that I swear I hadn't even heard of before. One guy, who told me he was expecting around a 155, told me his primary goal was to get into UVA (lol). Another said he wasn't expecting to go to any school lower than 70ish rank and was just hoping to make it into the 40s and 30s.

General consensus on LG was: if you didn't have to guess on more than one full game, it went well.

Greater than half of the people said they used princeton and/or kaplan to prepare. Just about two or three of the 20ish students said they used powerscore.

From what I could understand, most people had only been preparing for the month that college classes have been over with. One guy told me he had been studying for 5-10 hours a week during that entire month - that was the extent of his prep.

Many people were shooting for the high 150s -160 (not 160s, but 160.) No one claimed they had even PT'd above this range. One guy was retaking it, his original score was a 153. Seemed like everyone there would have been satisfied with just hitting 160.

I don't know how atypical this is (or worthy of mentioning in this thread, or any) but it was a complete shock to hear people saying this after mostly being exposed to other potential law students only on TLS. I hadn't realized until that moment that so many people were clueless about nearly everything to do with preparing, applying, etc.

thriller1122 wrote:

deant286 wrote:There were only about 20 or so students at my testing center. Beforehand we were discussing expected scores, study materials used, law schools we wanted to apply to, etc. etc. I don't know if these are the "war stories" you were looking for, but mostly these people were just saying hilarious/frightening things about their prep/future plans that I wanted to share here because no one I know in reality would understand why I was so dumbfounded:

Every single person, save for two that were not involved in the discussion, listed at least one law school ranging from 50 on down that they were intending on applying to. Many were exclusively applying to schools that I swear I hadn't even heard of before. One guy, who told me he was expecting around a 155, told me his primary goal was to get into UVA (lol). Another said he wasn't expecting to go to any school lower than 70ish rank and was just hoping to make it into the 40s and 30s.

General consensus on LG was: if you didn't have to guess on more than one full game, it went well.

Greater than half of the people said they used princeton and/or kaplan to prepare. Just about two or three of the 20ish students said they used powerscore.

From what I could understand, most people had only been preparing for the month that college classes have been over with. One guy told me he had been studying for 5-10 hours a week during that entire month - that was the extent of his prep.

Many people were shooting for the high 150s -160 (not 160s, but 160.) No one claimed they had even PT'd above this range. One guy was retaking it, his original score was a 153. Seemed like everyone there would have been satisfied with just hitting 160.

I don't know how atypical this is (or worthy of mentioning in this thread, or any) but it was a complete shock to hear people saying this after mostly being exposed to other potential law students only on TLS. I hadn't realized until that moment that so many people were clueless about nearly everything to do with preparing, applying, etc.

I guess its all relative. You have to think that there are people all over the spectrum and there is a reason those schools exist. Not to mention that the information you get from this website is accurate. Only a few people out of a hundred actually score 170 or higher... but here it is everyone? I don't think so. And as you get older you just realize that people are in different places in life. Like you said its not wrong that people dont approach things the same way, but it is eye opening. For example, I am in the military. There are certain standards that I take for granted. But taking the LSAT with a lot of kids (not all kids) was eye opening. People were talking about how they went out drinking the night before or they showed up dressed unproffessionally (like inappropriate) and it blew my mind. Eventually that lack of dedication and commitment to excellence will catch up with people but you can't expect people to realize that. It sounds like you are doing the right things and that is all you need to focus on.

whacka wrote:

thriller1122 wrote:

deant286 wrote:There were only about 20 or so students at my testing center. Beforehand we were discussing expected scores, study materials used, law schools we wanted to apply to, etc. etc. I don't know if these are the "war stories" you were looking for, but mostly these people were just saying hilarious/frightening things about their prep/future plans that I wanted to share here because no one I know in reality would understand why I was so dumbfounded...

I guess its all relative. You have to think that there are people all over the spectrum and there is a reason those schools exist. Not to mention that the information you get from this website is accurate. Only a few people out of a hundred actually score 170 or higher... but here it is everyone? I don't think so. And as you get older you just realize that people are in different places in life. Like you said its not wrong that people dont approach things the same way, but it is eye opening. For example, I am in the military. There are certain standards that I take for granted. But taking the LSAT with a lot of kids (not all kids) was eye opening. People were talking about how they went out drinking the night before or they showed up dressed unproffessionally (like inappropriate) and it blew my mind. Eventually that lack of dedication and commitment to excellence will catch up with people but you can't expect people to realize that. It sounds like you are doing the right things and that is all you need to focus on.

sorry that this is my only takeaway from your post, but how someone dresses to a test should not be correlated in your mind with underpreparedness. actually I'd say that the more "professionally" someone dresses to the LSAT, the less realistic they're being with themselves. People who show up in suits are just goofy and are sacrificing comfort (which is very important) to please judgmental people

whacka wrote:

thriller1122 wrote:

deant286 wrote:There were only about 20 or so students at my testing center. Beforehand we were discussing expected scores, study materials used, law schools we wanted to apply to, etc. etc. I don't know if these are the "war stories" you were looking for, but mostly these people were just saying hilarious/frightening things about their prep/future plans that I wanted to share here because no one I know in reality would understand why I was so dumbfounded:

Every single person, save for two that were not involved in the discussion, listed at least one law school ranging from 50 on down that they were intending on applying to. Many were exclusively applying to schools that I swear I hadn't even heard of before. One guy, who told me he was expecting around a 155, told me his primary goal was to get into UVA (lol). Another said he wasn't expecting to go to any school lower than 70ish rank and was just hoping to make it into the 40s and 30s.

General consensus on LG was: if you didn't have to guess on more than one full game, it went well.

Greater than half of the people said they used princeton and/or kaplan to prepare. Just about two or three of the 20ish students said they used powerscore.

From what I could understand, most people had only been preparing for the month that college classes have been over with. One guy told me he had been studying for 5-10 hours a week during that entire month - that was the extent of his prep.

Many people were shooting for the high 150s -160 (not 160s, but 160.) No one claimed they had even PT'd above this range. One guy was retaking it, his original score was a 153. Seemed like everyone there would have been satisfied with just hitting 160.

I don't know how atypical this is (or worthy of mentioning in this thread, or any) but it was a complete shock to hear people saying this after mostly being exposed to other potential law students only on TLS. I hadn't realized until that moment that so many people were clueless about nearly everything to do with preparing, applying, etc.

I guess its all relative. You have to think that there are people all over the spectrum and there is a reason those schools exist. Not to mention that the information you get from this website is accurate. Only a few people out of a hundred actually score 170 or higher... but here it is everyone? I don't think so. And as you get older you just realize that people are in different places in life. Like you said its not wrong that people dont approach things the same way, but it is eye opening. For example, I am in the military. There are certain standards that I take for granted. But taking the LSAT with a lot of kids (not all kids) was eye opening. People were talking about how they went out drinking the night before or they showed up dressed unproffessionally (like inappropriate) and it blew my mind. Eventually that lack of dedication and commitment to excellence will catch up with people but you can't expect people to realize that. It sounds like you are doing the right things and that is all you need to focus on.

sorry that this is my only takeaway from your post, but how someone dresses to a test should not be correlated in your mind with underpreparedness. actually I'd say that the more "professionally" someone dresses to the LSAT, the less realistic they're being with themselves. People who show up in suits are just goofy and are sacrificing comfort (which is very important) to please judgmental people

thriller1122 wrote:

whacka wrote:

thriller1122 wrote:

deant286 wrote:
Ok sorry, I should have been more clear. I wore a t-shirt and jeans. I didn't mean like suit and tie or anything. But here are two examples I found somewhat alarming. A girl showed up in booty shorts and a tube top that said "F*CK ME" on it and a guy (I wish I was making this up) showed up without shoes. Straight up thought he could take the test barefoot. He said it wasn't in the rules. Which I guess is true (I don't remember reading it) but still... my point wasn't to attack what people wear but rather to point out that that some people just have different standards. For me (and I feel like most people who take their future seriosuly) the above examples are completely crazy. But for them, I guess that is acceptable behavior. Now to a much lesser extent, some people don't take the LSAT 170+ seriously. They are ok with low scores, limited options for schools, and a bleak career outlook. It has to be that way or the people like the original poster wouldn't excel or be able to get ahead. I hope that clears it up

basedvulpes wrote:

kevgogators wrote:"I'm actually pretty great at the LSAT...my only problem is timing, when I'm timed my score is like in the mid-140's."

I shit you not.

Wait the test was timed???

mornincounselor wrote:

laurvb wrote: I'll be honest, before I discovered TLS I was told in an LSAT prep course that all of our goals should be 150. I was also told not to waste time on Logic Games because they only make up a fraction of the test. I figured the person I was paying would know more than I would, so I shot for a 150 on test day and managed a 156. After discovering TLS, I decided to take some time off and retest.

I can't blame people for genuinely believing a score in the 150s is a good score because I was once that person. On the other hand, if you don't know how many sections are in the test you are about to take, that is just plain lazy. It's definitely been an eye-opening process but at least I am happy I found all of this information before I committed myself to a shitty school and no employment prospects.

Haha, every single pre law advisor should tell their students this. I see so many acquaintances with tremendous GPAs who just don't grasp the importance of properly studying for the LSAT. 4.0 GPA students who are aiming for "top 100" schools, it's so sad.