The Official December 2015 Study Group

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Postby AfrocentricAsian » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:48 pm

Can 170+ test takers automatically spot flaws and assumptions in logical reasoning questions? I'm assuming most who score that high don't have to re-read or think too hard over questions below 15...

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Postby slizerd » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:59 pm

SirArthurDayne wrote:
slizerd wrote:I watched Legally Blonde last night (as preparation for that 179, of course) and realized that in the scene where she's studying for the LSAT, she's doing a REAL LOGIC GAME. The one with the used/new soul, rap, pop, etc. Mind blown.


She would be doing one of the hardest games lol I wonder how long it would actually take Reese Witherspoon to do that game.


Bahaha I wondered the same thing. When I did that game, I definitely wasn't as bubbly as her.

On her PT's in the movie she was scoring in the 140s.... so according to Hollywood, anything's possible

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby flash21 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:08 pm

man restudying is so bad. I am actually mentally defeated. i need some type of motivation (youtube videos or anything?). Its not just loss of motivation though its like this voice in my head saying you got the same score twice after months of studying, your practice tests didn't mean anything.. I don't know how I'm going to do this.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby flash21 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:15 pm

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:
flash21 wrote:man restudying is so bad. I am actually mentally defeated. i need some type of motivation (youtube videos or anything?). Its not just loss of motivation though its like this voice in my head saying you got the same score twice after months of studying, your practice tests didn't mean anything.. I don't know how I'm going to do this.


You might need to change your approach. Use different books, or even change your focus when you're drilling PT. I had a similar situation and I made some minor tweaks and got huge results.

ETA( but I feel the same way. I haven't really even processed my last score yet).


what did you do exactly? I feel like I did everything that I was supposed to do. Best PT scores I had ever then just did bad. dont know. I'm going to read back through books and drill I guess for the next like 4 weeks.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby flash21 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:34 pm

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:
flash21 wrote:
what did you do exactly? I feel like I did everything that I was supposed to do. Best PT scores I had ever then just did bad. dont know. I'm going to read back through books and drill I guess for the next like 4 weeks.


So the biggest change I made was on how strictly I reviewed things I got wrong/confused on for PTs. For each iffy question I wrote about 2-3 sentences summerizing the arg and went through and eliminating ACs. These summaries would get up to 15 pages per PT. I just really focused on fleshing things out as if I were explaining it to a high schooler.

For drilling, I would take out a business card and cover the ACs and eliminate them one by one. When I eliminated something, I had a specific word that made the AC wrong. I know it seems kinda unnecessary, but it really helped me focus on why things were wrong.

Those two changes got me to improve my PT average by about 10 points.


Honestly, at this point I'll try it out. thanks a lot.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby roshan07 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:32 am

studied logic games for about 6 hours today, must get -0.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:46 am

spent hours today trying to figure out what i am not seeing in RC.

if only i could improve this section, my lsat woes would mostly disappear.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby slizerd » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:01 am

somethingelse55 wrote:Are you doing any dense reading on the side? Not only does this help with RC but IMO it also helps with LR, since a large part of LR is comprehending the stimulus perfectly.

As you're doing the dense reading just make sure you are honestly comprehending it and are analyzing it a bit.


This is SO true. I'm finishing my MA in history right now, and the really dense historical theory books have done wonders for my LSAT prep.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby Cochran » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:44 am

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby pterodactyls » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:42 pm

Here after scoring a 164 on the October test. Goal is 173-175. I was averaging around a 167/168 before I took the test.

For October, I probably studied for around 120 hours. I read the LRB, LGB, and Manhattan RC Guide. Took about 10 timed PTs and drilled about half of the available games once.

Here is my study plan for the next six weeks (as stated in other thread):
-Drill LR 1-38 by question type Cambridge packet while I read along with Manhattan LR guide
-Drill every one-pager game at least twice (so leaving the 10ish most recent 2pg games for fresh PTs)
-Drill 50 individual RC passages, and then 25 whole RC sections to get timing down (timing on RC is my biggest issue right now)
-Take the 16 most recent PTs I have left (#60-75) as whole timed PTs with an experimental from older tests
-Also going to give the LSAT Trainer a read (bought it a while ago) if I have time

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby Danimals18 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:31 pm

Hi all,

I'm a late joiner to this party after scoring -8 from my PT average on the October lsat. I will be retaking in December. With a very short study period, and working full time, I'm a bit worried that I'm going to have enough time to study. I haven't devised a study plan yet, but I imagine I'm going to drill question types and games during my lunch break and after work, and take full PTs on the weekends.

Any advice on how to maximize my time left would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby flash21 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 1:48 pm

Do you guys think I should focus on individual games or sections? I'm doing individual ones from the cambridge package but they are so familiar since I drilled them to death it feels useless. I don't have any new LG sections though, I'd just be doing repeats

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby flawedargument » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:00 pm

AfrocentricAsian wrote:Can 170+ test takers automatically spot flaws and assumptions in logical reasoning questions? I'm assuming most who score that high don't have to re-read or think too hard over questions below 15...


Often yes, but not always. LR tests a school you will hone further in law school: issue spotting. You should strive to spot the issue, whether it's an assumption, flaw, principle, etc., before looking at the answer choices. Predicting an answer is helpful, even if your prediction is imprecise but "close." If you move to the answer choices too soon, you're fishing for an answer without a complete understanding of what it is you might be looking for, which wastes precious time and reduces accuracy.

A very precise prediction (perhaps on some of LR questions numbered 1-15) might be, "The question assumes that the donors won't have enough money when their funds are pooled, even though each individually does not have enough money to complete the project." --> Move to answers.

A less precise prediction (perhaps on a much more difficult question) might be, "I'm looking for an answer that strengthens the idea that old magazines are not as useful to historians as other artifacts. An answer might be that all of the information contained in magazines can be derived from old newspapers. An answer might be that old magazines are stored in a way that makes many of them blurry, and therefore errors in analysis are common. An answer might be that movies are extremely useful to historians for some reason." --> Move to answers.

My examples are hastily thrown together, but they should suffice to give you an idea of what I mean. Hope this helps.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby MAPP » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:17 pm

somethingelse55 wrote:Are you doing any dense reading on the side? Not only does this help with RC but IMO it also helps with LR, since a large part of LR is comprehending the stimulus perfectly.

As you're doing the dense reading just make sure you are honestly comprehending it and are analyzing it a bit.


What do you recommend for dense reading? I've heard The Economist a lot, but a yearly subscription is like $200.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby PlanetExpress » Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:40 pm

MAPP wrote:
somethingelse55 wrote:Are you doing any dense reading on the side? Not only does this help with RC but IMO it also helps with LR, since a large part of LR is comprehending the stimulus perfectly.

As you're doing the dense reading just make sure you are honestly comprehending it and are analyzing it a bit.


What do you recommend for dense reading? I've heard The Economist a lot, but a yearly subscription is like $200.


Of course nothing beats drilling the real thing, but:

TE is good, but some of the articles are written in a very distinct tone, sometimes witty and also almost conversational (but, disclaimer: conversational like you're a Ph.D). I'm not sure I've ever come across an RC passage with as much subtle sass as some TE articles. But, yeah it's still good.

Reading a lot of NY Times articles daily could help, since they're information-dense, like RC passages. But try reading from sections that challenge you or aren't what you normally would read from.

The New Yorker would be really great to improve on RC, especially to improve on concentration. Man, some of those long reads they have are like 20 pages...if you can get through those and understand the content (and structure!), I think you'd be golden.

And to get past some of the paywalls of these, use Chrome and just open the article in an incognito window. Works most of the time for me.




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