The Official December 2015 Study Group

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Postby slizerd » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:08 pm

on a completely unrelated note, has anyone seen that Amazon prime show "The Man in the High Castle"?

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby pterodactyls » Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:56 pm

PT 72

RC(exp) -6 (-5 BR)
RC: -4 (-6 BR)
LR1: -10 (-8 BR)
LR2: -8 (-7 BR)
LG: -2

Score 162 (163 BR).

Going into the October test I was averaging 167-169. Scored a 164. Have been averaging 162-164 since.

I feel like I'm playing a game of whack-a-mole. My games suck, I drill games hard for a week, games improve and then RC drops. Study RC hard for a week, RC improves and then LR drops. I was previously missing 1-5 per section on LR, and today it killed me.

Hoping for some improvement on December test, otherwise I wasted my money and 2 months of studying for the retake.

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Postby slizerd » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:13 am

PatriotP74 wrote:Gonna be the coldest night of this winter so far and just lost power lol I mean it's Texas so the low is like 32 or something but still haha


I'm in texas right now too! And as a former northerner I feel like a wimp saying this, but it's been freezing all day today =(

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:22 am

drilled using PT-24 RC today

-2 in 34:51 min

then, thought why not drill more. so picked 23-RC passages from cambridge bundle. and...

-6 in 36:30 min. if i only count what i got right till 35:00 min then it'd be -9. 3 of these misses are on lev-1 passage and 2 because i misread the question.

i haven't practiced RC that much and did only like 7-8 sections total of any type this week. could this be burnout?

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby december1205 » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:01 am

Did PT 50

LG was especially challenging.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby newcareernewtown » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:26 am

gamerish wrote:PT62
RC: -5
LR1: -1
LG: -3
LR2: -5
170

BR
RC: -2
LR1: -0
LG: -0
LR2: -2
179

Figured out the inference I missed on the 3rd game and was able to finish with 5 minutes to spare. Still one of the more challenging games sections as a whole that I can recall. I made some really dumb mistakes on the second LR which I'm almost positive was the result of being so demoralized after that LG. Taking more timed sections tomorrow and a PT on Monday.


Agreed with 62. I also had -3 on that LG two weeks ago, and considering I missed 4 in june I freaked out and in a week learned another, inductive method.

Now I routinely switch between it and my previous, deductive method (the one most courses/booklets teach) depending on the difficulty of the question and my awareness of the inference. That way, if I miss an inference I won't miss the question.

Long story short, that's why I've been perfect on LG for some time.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby newcareernewtown » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:35 am

appind wrote:drilled using PT-24 RC today

-2 in 34:51 min

then, thought why not drill more. so picked 23-RC passages from cambridge bundle. and...

-6 in 36:30 min. if i only count what i got right till 35:00 min then it'd be -9. 3 of these misses are on lev-1 passage and 2 because i misread the question.

i haven't practiced RC that much and did only like 7-8 sections total of any type this week. could this be burnout?


No.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:30 am

newcareernewtown wrote:Agreed with 62. I also had -3 on that LG two weeks ago, and considering I missed 4 in june I freaked out and in a week learned another, inductive method.

Now I routinely switch between it and my previous, deductive method (the one most courses/booklets teach) depending on the difficulty of the question and my awareness of the inference. That way, if I miss an inference I won't miss the question.

Long story short, that's why I've been perfect on LG for some time.


what's the inductive method

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby WorthlessDegree » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:41 pm

Does anyone have an opinion of doing 2 LSAT's back to back to work on endurance? Or would it be better to use one PT, and then add in 1 or 2 sections from the drilling?

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Postby newcareernewtown » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:42 pm

appind wrote:what's the inductive method


PMed.

Does anyone have an opinion of doing 2 LSAT's back to back to work on endurance? Or would it be better to use one PT, and then add in 1 or 2 sections from the drilling?


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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby newcareernewtown » Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:53 pm

gamerish wrote:
WorthlessDegree wrote:Does anyone have an opinion of doing 2 LSAT's back to back to work on endurance? Or would it be better to use one PT, and then add in 1 or 2 sections from the drilling?

Unless you've already done one of them, I feel like that would be a waste of a PT personally. 6 section tests are fine though.


If you are running out of PTs and have not scored above 165, you have wasted those PTs on unrefined and poor methods. You may be screwed.

My personal recommendation is to use the first few tests, since they are most unlike the present day's. That way you don't waste tests similar to the one you will take.

I also think it good to never do a logic game more than 2-3 times. And especially no LR questions past a BR of that question, and an RC passage loses its use entirely once you do it once, BR or not. This is also presupposing you are reading indepth explanations for the correct ACs as well, in addition to the BRs for LG and LR.

Edit: PMed you, gamerish.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby newcareernewtown » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:31 pm

gamerish wrote:I have to disagree with this. I know for myself at least, games didn't really click until until my third time through the entire Cambridge LG bundle.


To be fair, I said 2-3 times. So if it was your third time through the lg bundle, it would satisfy my condition. See my PM for more.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby newcareernewtown » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:58 pm

gamerish wrote:Granted. However, I've now gone through them a fourth, and some even a fifth, time and I'm still finding things in my approach and thought process that I can improve upon. It's obvious the score you get on a game you've done 5 times isn't going to reflect exactly how you'd do on a completely new game of that type but that itself gives you the opportunity to focus much more on yourself and your method rather than the question at hand.


Setting up your game and arranging the variables is often a very difficult part of an lg, often only superceded in difficulty by looking for the third or fourth inference.

You don't practice that enough when you go through a lg 5 times, and so I wouldnt recommend to do a game more than three times. There are certainly times I've seen JY's method and been pleasantly surprised at how simple and smooth his diagram is, and times I've seen more inferences than I thought were there. But if I try to memorize what he's doing rather than his method of doing it, I feel I would be wasting my valuable time.

When you discover a simpler way to solve a problem than JY, then you are almost at mastery. Then you should watch videos on the LG's, but not obsess over them.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby WorthlessDegree » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:03 pm

newcareernewtown wrote:
gamerish wrote:
WorthlessDegree wrote:Does anyone have an opinion of doing 2 LSAT's back to back to work on endurance? Or would it be better to use one PT, and then add in 1 or 2 sections from the drilling?

Unless you've already done one of them, I feel like that would be a waste of a PT personally. 6 section tests are fine though.


If you are running out of PTs and have not scored above 165, you have wasted those PTs on unrefined and poor methods. You may be screwed.

My personal recommendation is to use the first few tests, since they are most unlike the present day's. That way you don't waste tests similar to the one you will take.

I also think it good to never do a logic game more than 2-3 times. And especially no LR questions past a BR of that question, and an RC passage loses its use entirely once you do it once, BR or not. This is also presupposing you are reading indepth explanations for the correct ACs as well, in addition to the BRs for LG and LR.

Edit: PMed you, gamerish.



My last score was 173, so really from now until test day I'm looking to eliminate mistakes and establish consistency.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby newcareernewtown » Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:09 pm

I don't like to pay attention to conventional wisdom, but RC is difficult to improve upon without a rigorous and disciplined philosophy-based education.

Many political thinkers want to insert "judgements" about the questions that RC continually tests, and so if youre like that then studying RC will help. But if youre not doing that it's difficult to improve.

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Re: The Official December 2015 Study Group

Postby shineoncrazydiamond » Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:42 pm

I'm feeling pretty rough right now. I don't drink much anymore and I have been low-carbing 6 days a week so my tolerance is at an all-time low but I went out for a friend's birthday last night and learned the hard way just how much it has gone down. :(

Anyway, LSAT things:

Not a fan of the RC on PT72. Almost ran out of time. I felt good about the LR sections though. I was feeling good about games until I got to the last one, although I wasted too much time on one of the early ones and caught an inference near the end that would have made it a lot faster. I wasted a good minute just staring at the last game in a bit of a panic, and calmed myself down by telling myself it's only 5 questions and worst case scenario I can probably brute force some of them. Good diagram/setup didn't really jump out at me so I want to go over it today and really think through the approach.

RC (exp): -2
RC (actual): -3
LR1: -1
LR2: -0
LG: -2 both on the last game (one guess running out of time, one I had confidently down to two options and chose the wrong one, also when running out of time) :(

I was talking to my s/o about trying to simulate test day conditions as much as possible and he recommended opening the windows on a really cold day and not wearing super warm clothes. I am ALWAYS cold, and so are the test centers, so I don't know why I didn't think to do this before but I will next time.




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