The Official October 2015 Study Group

How many PTs have you done? (timed)

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12
10%
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25
21%
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20+
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17%
25+
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby nlee10 » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:59 am

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:
TheProdigal wrote:7AM and my neighbor is already smoking crack.
Then again, when is the socially responsible time to light up?

Bake n wake.

I guess like, after 8?

Reminded of Narcos since I'm a couple episodes in.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:03 am

ltbenn wrote:Hey guys - I've decided to briefly come out of lurkerdom to get your thoughts on RC...

Newer RC sections - so I guess it's pretty much a consensus that they're more difficult, glad to know I'm not alone in that... I've started reading the questions before the passage and marking references to specific words/paragraphs and then answering right after I read that part (when a question starts "in line 33..." I write that question number next to the line and then answer in the middle of the passage). For comparative passages, I mark each question "A," "B," or "AB" and then answer after the relevant passage. In the last three PTs that I've done (71-73) I've gone from -5-6 to 0/-1 -- it helps to give a little context before I start reading the passage, and word/paragraph-specific questions get answered while they're fresh in my mind... It took a little practice to make sure it doesn't eat up too much time, but it's been worth it.

Does anyone else do this? Or have any other strategies for RC? I'm pretty consistently getting all the LG right, and LR I usually miss about 2 per section, mostly from misreading or over-analyzing. Really hoping for a 173+ on test day, particularly after my June embarrassment...


can you describe how much time you take to read the questions/mark, and how you time reading the passage and doing the questions? i was going -0/-3 on the older rc but the newer one esp 70+ is more dense.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby ltbenn » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:23 am

appind wrote:
ltbenn wrote:Hey guys - I've decided to briefly come out of lurkerdom to get your thoughts on RC...

Newer RC sections - so I guess it's pretty much a consensus that they're more difficult, glad to know I'm not alone in that... I've started reading the questions before the passage and marking references to specific words/paragraphs and then answering right after I read that part (when a question starts "in line 33..." I write that question number next to the line and then answer in the middle of the passage). For comparative passages, I mark each question "A," "B," or "AB" and then answer after the relevant passage. In the last three PTs that I've done (71-73) I've gone from -5-6 to 0/-1 -- it helps to give a little context before I start reading the passage, and word/paragraph-specific questions get answered while they're fresh in my mind... It took a little practice to make sure it doesn't eat up too much time, but it's been worth it.

Does anyone else do this? Or have any other strategies for RC? I'm pretty consistently getting all the LG right, and LR I usually miss about 2 per section, mostly from misreading or over-analyzing. Really hoping for a 173+ on test day, particularly after my June embarrassment...


can you describe how much time you take to read the questions/mark, and how you time reading the passage and doing the questions? i was going -0/-3 on the older rc but the newer one esp 70+ is more dense.


So at first it took a while to get used to it, so it took longer - then I drilled older sections using the strategy, and for most passages my aim is for it to look like this:
Reading questions/marking - 2 minutes
Reading the passage and answering specific questions - 4-5 minutes
Answering more "global" questions - 2 minutes

After drilling it for a good 7-8 sections, I've been finishing the newer ones on average pretty close to 34/35 minutes -- it's cutting it close, for sure.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby seashell.economy » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:37 am

So I did PT 67 this morning. LOVED the Adam Smith reading comp passage - not because I'm a fan of Smith's theories, but because I have studied him a bit and found the passage to be a well-written and a compelling argument - but then I moved onto the questions and felt that they just didn't match up with how well-written the passage was. I was actually really bummed out, lol.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby 204Wpg » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:32 pm

Finished my last PT before Saturday today - a 176 on PT 70. Felt really good to see that after the brutal 168 I experienced yesterday. On the one hand this is the most volatile I've been since I began PT'ing, I've mostly been in the 172 - 174 range the last 10 or so, but at the same time seeing my worst and one of my best in stark contrast on back to back days showed me a lot about how my attitude, composure and mental state can affect my score.

PT 70:
LR1: -1
RC: -2
LG: -0
LR2: -2

Overall, I'd be extremely happy with this result on test day. I noticed the biggest difference for me compared to yesterday was going into RC I told myself at the end of every paragraph I was going to relate back to the passage as a whole and be sure as soon as I read a question I was making sure to go back to the passage for support. By doing this I'm way more confident and it definitely improves my score. And lastly, I changed the very last answer of the whole test from D to E and got it wrong haha, only thing between this and a 177, gahhh haha I might just stop changing answers altogether.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby mist4bison » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:50 pm

I have no desire to PT. or study at all. I want this to be over.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:55 pm

i just did the 75 LR1 again on which i had missed -2 for my 168 on sunday. Looks like i picked C instead of E for the q4, the babbling babies question.

it seems C is wrong only because of word "necessary". if C was "it raises a question, describes a potential experimental test and argues that the test is sufficient to answer the question", would not it be right?

overall had i got -0 and not -3 in lg and didn't screw LR1 i would have been fine. from other posts here, LR1 was supposed much easier than LR2 and i missed same -2 on both.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby texasellewoods » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:01 pm

Just did PT 71 and got a 178, so I am officially stopping prep on that note!!

I'm a bit confused about S3 Q22 - I chose A and it was supposed to be B, and the only differences between the answers is the some/one and if the previously late book was a children's book or not. I went with A because of the "some" and didn't think the type of book that was previously late mattered. Can someone help clear this up for me? Thanks!

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby TheProdigal » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:01 pm

appind wrote:it seems C is wrong only because of word "necessary". if C was "it raises a question, describes a potential experimental test and argues that the test is sufficient to answer the question", would not it be right?

I think the issue was the word "potential." It described a study which had been done and the results, so it wasn't potential.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby TheProdigal » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:10 pm

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:
appind wrote:i just did the 75 LR1 again on which i had missed -2 for my 168 on sunday. Looks like i picked C instead of E for the q4, the babbling babies question.

it seems C is wrong only because of word "necessary". if C was "it raises a question, describes a potential experimental test and argues that the test is sufficient to answer the question", would not it be right?

overall had i got -0 and not -3 in lg and didn't screw LR1 i would have been fine. from other posts here, LR1 was supposed much easier than LR2 and i missed same -2 on both.



Right yeah, it gives on conclusion by saying there are two possible things them offering evidence to decide.
I thought LR1 was ridiculously easy if you kept your wits about you. Honestly LR2 isnt too bad either... so I kinda understand the justification for a -10 curve.

Edit to address your Q better. No, I dont think thats right, because it does not describe a potential test. it says "they discovered..." and "past studies have established" which really functions to add evidence. Also I draw a distinction between "sufficient to answer" and "in support of one over the other". the first is "we could get a conclusion" the other is "we have a conclusion".

That entire test was just easy, to the point a -10 curve seemed generous. Easiest LG I've seen possibly ever, LR1 was cake, LR2 wasn't bad, and RC was fairly straightforward. Really makes me regret not taking June.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby mist4bison » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:28 pm

Going to take 75. I don't really want to do it times, but feel like I should, right? i just have zero desire. I mean none whatsoever. I started doing a warm up section and got two questions in and stopped bc I was over it. I want to utilize 75, but don't know how to best do that at the moment, considering how burnout I am.

Eta: maybe I should nap and take it later? I'm just tired and can't think anymore.
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby nlee10 » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:30 pm

mist4bison wrote:Going to take 75. I don't really want to do it times, but feel like I should, right? i just have zero desire. I mean none whatsoever. I started doing a warm up section and got two questions in and stopped bc I was over it. I want to utilize 75, but don't know how to best do that at the moment, considering how burnout I am.

Don't feel obligated to take it just because it's the most recent test. You should save it just in case of a retake.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby mist4bison » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:31 pm

nlee10 wrote:
mist4bison wrote:Going to take 75. I don't really want to do it times, but feel like I should, right? i just have zero desire. I mean none whatsoever. I started doing a warm up section and got two questions in and stopped bc I was over it. I want to utilize 75, but don't know how to best do that at the moment, considering how burnout I am.

Don't feel obligated to take it just because it's the most recent test. You should save it just in case of a retake.


Yeah, maybe you're right. I would rather drill than do PTs right meow, honestly.

I am worried I'll have to retake. I so don't want to.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby nlee10 » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:34 pm

mist4bison wrote:Yeah, maybe you're right. I would rather drill than do PTs right meow, honestly.

I am worried I'll have to retake. I so don't want to.

Yeah retaking without fresh tests is a pain...trust me. Haha...

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby The Abyss » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:40 pm

I decided to do PT 75 untimed today. I wanted to avoid a bad score jarring my confidence, but I did want to expose myself to the questions. Pretty easy test so far.




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