The Official October 2015 Study Group

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

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theugg wrote:
Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Anyone else notice that the newer LR is harder to anticipate?
I feel like I've been getting more wrong by trying pick answers based on anticipations.

Is it odd that my strategy is generally never to anticipate? I feel like I never do LR by the book but I rarely miss any.

I wholeheartedly practice this approach. I feel like trying to anticipate an answer opens you up to sneaky tricks in the choices.


See, i feel like for a lot of questions you're opening yourself up by not anticipating.

I anticipate for: flaw, role, conclusion, SA, method, disagree/agree questions.

I've noticed that flaws are harder to anticipate in recent LR, but figured it was just me.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby seashell.economy » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:16 pm

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seashell.economy wrote:
McJimJam wrote:
PatriotP74 wrote:So how is everyone going about the picture. Last time I just put 6 pictures on a 4x6 photo print out at Walmart, then cut them out. Worked pretty well. Guess I should take a new picture this go round though.

Last time I just took a picture with my phone and printed it out at home, had no problems with it so I'll just do that again most likely.


It's like $8 to get it done at CVS or Walgreens or whatever drug store is near you. I wouldn't risk it! I got regular passport-style photos.



Hmm. whats the turn around on it? It takes me forever with the lighting in my house to get a decent pic without a shadow.


No turnaround. You take the picture and they develop it right there - maybe 10 minutes tops from asking them to completing your purchase and walking out with your photos (at CVS).

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby seashell.economy » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:18 pm

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theugg wrote:Just take a selfie and print it.



That's what I've done prior and worked fine. Saves some money too, especially when I'm looking at dropping a grand on a course for December.


Yes, but....it's $8 and your photo is taken by people who are used to taking passport photos. I would highly doubt a bad picture would actually result in someone being turned away...but after all this studying, I don't even want to entertain the idea of a risk!

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby seashell.economy » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:19 pm

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby mist4bison » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:40 pm

theugg wrote:Anyone who just finished 73 want to explain why #21 isn't E? I know that Marcuse claimed all of us are subject to false needs, but if you account for the author's belief that some of us are able to recognize and account for the falsity of these needs, E seems to work fine. It doesn't say that Marcuse said that advertisers ONLY exert economic power over those who unable or unwilling to distinguish real from false needs, after all. I see no reason why the author wouldn't agree with this statement.


Marc didn't discuss economic power, that's why I eliminated it. Out of scope.

Eta: you infer that they have economic power, because, duh, that's what advertising does. BUT he does not say that advertisers except economic power over people. that's not one of his claims.
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby texasellewoods » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:41 pm

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texasellewoods wrote:What time are y'all getting up at on Saturday? I know were technically supposed to be there two hours early, but I don't think I could handle being there at 6:30am haha

False. Just check in by 8:30AM


Looking back through the ticket info and I have no idea where I got this 2 hours early thing from.... :oops: I'm v glad I asked hahaha now I won't be the weirdo sitting outside the building at 6:30!! Thanks y'all :D

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby mist4bison » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:45 pm

theugg wrote:
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theugg wrote:Anyone who just finished 73 want to explain why #21 isn't E? I know that Marcuse claimed all of us are subject to false needs, but if you account for the author's belief that some of us are able to recognize and account for the falsity of these needs, E seems to work fine. It doesn't say that Marcuse said that advertisers ONLY exert economic power over those who unable or unwilling to distinguish real from false needs, after all. I see no reason why the author wouldn't agree with this statement.


Marc didn't discuss economic power, that's why I eliminated it. Out of scope.


I thought you could pretty well imply economic power based on his claims about the false needs contributing to the profit of corporations. But maybe you're right. He's talking more about emotional satisfaction.


I edited my post above to explain it more. Basically, E says that one of his claims is X and that's the only one that could be right. But he doesn't say that. We're assuming it's one of his claims and assuming it's true.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby redfred22 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:48 pm

mist4bison wrote:
TheProdigal wrote:
theugg wrote:
Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Anyone else notice that the newer LR is harder to anticipate?
I feel like I've been getting more wrong by trying pick answers based on anticipations.

Is it odd that my strategy is generally never to anticipate? I feel like I never do LR by the book but I rarely miss any.

I wholeheartedly practice this approach. I feel like trying to anticipate an answer opens you up to sneaky tricks in the choices.


See, i feel like for a lot of questions you're opening yourself up by not anticipating.

I anticipate for: flaw, role, conclusion, SA, method, disagree/agree questions.

I've noticed that flaws are harder to anticipate in recent LR, but figured it was just me.


But here I think the point is to anticipate because it forces and allows you to really evaluate what's going on in the argument. When you go through, you look for that answer choice, but also remain open to other answers but also have knowledge of types of flaws to quickly eliminate wrong answers and you have to be specific with what you're anticipating. I just did 72 and section 4 LR I was back down to my average. I think the newer ones are definitely different, and the main thing is that the answers are worded differently than what you expect. The flaws aren't necessarily harder, they're just worded in ways that are much different from the previous 20-30 PTs.

I also think they're throwing in some new "patterns" of types of questions/arguments and answer choices that differ from older PTs which definitely throw off anticipation.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby mist4bison » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:04 am

Im way too lazy to write all that^ lol. But I think that sums it up really well.




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