The Official October 2015 Study Group

How many PTs have you done? (timed)

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25
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby mist4bison » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:04 am

I might actually murder someone at work today. So glad I took next Friday off. I don't need this stress the day before the test.

Note to all future attorneys: Don't be dicks to your paralegal. Shit will get done for you a lot slower.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby nlee10 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:35 am

I totally thought I took PT C from the old super prep. Turns out nahhhhhh. Going to do that today and PT 51 (3rd time taking this one) on thursday.

Drilling LR/RC/LG tues-wed.
Maybe only 10-15 LR Q's, 1 RC passage, 1 LG game on friday and sat morning.
6 more days.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:11 am

PT 75:

LG -3 ( :!: :!: )
LR1 -2 (no idea what i missed)
RC -6 ( :oops: :!: :!: )
LR2: -2

168

RC again bit me. i took the whole RC section again timed today morning and went -5 (one of the misses is what i got right in the original take yesterday!). i felt the section itself wasn't that tough and the law recuse passage was the only one which i didn't feel good. missed 2 in that passage. i can't imagine how much my RC would slide if this was a tough section as i didn't feel it was difficult but still went whopping -6!

one of the misses in LR2 i should have got right so it should have been -1. i felt that it's possible that i only misses -1 in both LR combined, so not happy with -4 combined in LR.

all the questions i missed in LG are easy ones. -1 in G1, -1 in G2 and missed the acceptability question of G4. i needed -0 in lg so this stings.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby PoopNpants » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:16 am

theugg wrote:So assuming I don't get the score I want on this test (2nd take), how horrible would it be for me to retake in Dec and submit this round anyways?


I'm in this same boat. I'm actually planning on registering for Dec. prior to recieving my score just incase my Oct. score isn't as high as I want it to be. I'm 100% sold on applying this cycle so I don't think applying in December with a pending score will be much of an issue

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:28 am

really considering withdrawing as my last fresh test pulled me down into 160s.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby PoopNpants » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:34 am

theugg wrote:
Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:If you cancel it counts as a take, there's just no score.

ETA: there's no reason to really cancel unless you like, have the plague.
Withdrawing the night before the test does not count as a take.


I'm talking about if I end up registering for December but I don't need to take it. Would I just withdraw the night before?


If you withdraw the night before, then it won't count as a take. Like Mint said tho, if you do end up sitting for it, I wouldn't cancel unless something catastrophic occured. It's not like they average scores anymore anyways, your highest is all that matters

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:43 am

204Wpg wrote:I missed 24 & 25 in RC, both of course on the glass passage, it's weird because even after going back to them I didn't have an "Ahaa" moment, which I normally do. Both I had narrowed down to the right answer and the one I ultimately picked, and I had ample time and probably wouldn't have changed my answers with more time.

Timing on LR was fine; LG was a little tight (because I misunderstood a rule on Game 4, must have had 12 minutes going into that one), and RC was really tight because I was fighting with myself over the last question and actually had my watch set a minute or two off and thought I had another minute-thirty haha, whoops!

As for you BR question, I actually don't BR - I know I should have, but I condensed my study a great deal because I was lazy / busy in May, June and July and so I unfortunately compromised the BR after the first little while and even now I'm balancing LSAT with CPA so, there's only so many hours in the day and just reviewing my wrong answers has been sufficient (although of course not optimal).


missed -1, -2, -1, -2 in the RC p1-4 respectively. for q2 i thought the credited choices was too strong, in fact one of the strongest possible choices for author's opinion. at least two of the questions in RC i missed (last q in p2 and p4) because i (deliberately) didn't spend (any) time on those questions and just picked one that didn't seem clearly wrong in the first 5-10 secs.

i think i may be spending too much time on the first two passages. can you describe your approach to rc including timing?

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby flash21 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:50 am

YESSSSS

164 on PT 74, feels good man

somewhat bombed reading comp though , -10 LOL .. messed up my time horribly, had about 5 minutes to read about mexican american activists .. :oops: :oops:

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby 204Wpg » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:02 pm

appind wrote:
204Wpg wrote:

missed -1, -2, -1, -2 in the RC p1-4 respectively. for q2 i thought the credited choices was too strong, in fact one of the strongest possible choices for author's opinion. at least two of the questions in RC i missed (last q in p2 and p4) because i (deliberately) didn't spend (any) time on those questions and just picked one that didn't seem clearly wrong in the first 5-10 secs.

i think i may be spending too much time on the first two passages. can you describe your approach to rc including timing?

Yeah, now I will say RC isn't historically my strength, like if I can go -2 on Saturday I'll be pumped. But with that being said, my strategy is quite simply 8 mins. per passage, 9 at the most. I really don't tend to find the first two any easier than the last two (if anything I find the art / history / book ones harder than the science / law / economics). So, I distribute evenly more or less and rarely allow myself more than 10 even in worst case scenarios it seems.

I also found yesterday that I was going immediately to the passage to find support for inference questions or ones about what the passage states explicitly. This helped my timing and confidence a ton. I don't know if it was the pressure of doing the most recent one at my test centre but I took RC a lot more seriously it seemed and that helped me, whereas I would normally try to "remember" what had been said in the passage and go from memory. :oops:

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:11 pm

204Wpg wrote:
appind wrote:
204Wpg wrote:

missed -1, -2, -1, -2 in the RC p1-4 respectively. for q2 i thought the credited choices was too strong, in fact one of the strongest possible choices for author's opinion. at least two of the questions in RC i missed (last q in p2 and p4) because i (deliberately) didn't spend (any) time on those questions and just picked one that didn't seem clearly wrong in the first 5-10 secs.

i think i may be spending too much time on the first two passages. can you describe your approach to rc including timing?

Yeah, now I will say RC isn't historically my strength, like if I can go -2 on Saturday I'll be pumped. But with that being said, my strategy is quite simply 8 mins. per passage, 9 at the most. I really don't tend to find the first two any easier than the last two (if anything I find the art / history / book ones harder than the science / law / economics). So, I distribute evenly more or less and rarely allow myself more than 10 even in worst case scenarios it seems.

I also found yesterday that I was going immediately to the passage to find support for inference questions or ones about what the passage states explicitly. This helped my timing and confidence a ton. I don't know if it was the pressure of doing the most recent one at my test centre but I took RC a lot more seriously it seemed and that helped me, whereas I would normally try to "remember" what had been said in the passage and go from memory. :oops:


what specifically do you do to not allow yourself more than 8/9?
for example say 8:30 mins have passed and you are on q5 of a passage with 7 questions, it seems hard to simply fill in random bubbles for q5/6/7. or do you limit yourself by looking at time when you are done reading the passage, done with q2 of the passage and so forth.
even then if you overshoot the time you allocated for reading the passage and you feel you still haven't fully grasped the passage, then what you do?
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby TheProdigal » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:46 pm

Into the homestretch.

For fresh modern PTs I'm down to 74 and 75 (and maybe 70). If I only have time for one more, which should I take?

And come on RZ, you wanted to be OP. Give us a new poll!

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby pterodactyls » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:06 pm

Registered for December yesterday. If for some reason I hit my target this time around, I can withdraw - would be the happiest I've ever been to forfeit $175 haha.

Last two preptests I've scored 169. Ultimate goal is 175. Missing 4-5 on RC, and usually 2-5 on each LR passage. Games a few simple mistakes here or there, just have to drill a little more this week to get my timing back down.

If I can score in the 167-170 range this time around, I think that leaves me in a pretty good position to hit the 173-175 range for December.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby 204Wpg » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:30 pm

appind wrote:what specifically do you do to not allow yourself more than 8/9?
for example say 8:30 mins have passed and you are on q5 of a passage with 7 questions, it seems hard to simply fill in random bubbles for q5/6/7. or do you limit yourself by looking at time when you are done reading the passage, done with q2 of the passage and so forth.
even then if you overshoot the time you allocated for reading the passage and you feel you still haven't fully grasped the passage, then what you do?

Yeah, more or less what I've bolded - obviously it would become counterproductive to look at your watch after each question, but overall I don't find it too hard checking in every now and again through a passage and its Qs to make sure you're not going way overboard. I find you also get accustomed to the timing, like I'm pretty sure I could do an RC or LR passage without a watch and have a pretty good sense of when 35 minutes was coming up at this point - repetition is a big part.

But, like you said if I'm at the 9/10 minute mark and have two left, I just try to eliminate ones I know are wrong instinctively (at this point you've answered 4 - 6 questions on the passage, so not finding support in the text will probably still give you a pretty good shot at eliminating wrong answers) and then pick between the 2/3 I have left. I'd rather do that than not even touch some at the end, and I would definitely read with a little extra speed on the next ones if I know this has happened.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:36 pm

TheProdigal wrote:Into the homestretch.

For fresh modern PTs I'm down to 74 and 75 (and maybe 70). If I only have time for one more, which should I take?

And come on RZ, you wanted to be OP. Give us a new poll!


75 as it's the most recent. are you retaking these 70s pts or fresh?

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:So I reviewed PT 73RC today by going over each passage, writing a paragraph by paragraph summary, and then going through each question by eliminating each AC.

By the end I just had the sense that it wasn't actually that much harder than the older RC. I thought the comparative passage was much harder than normal, but besides that everything was your normal RC section. I think one of the biggest things is making sure you can remember where the info is in a passage, and have a solid idea of the roles thing play in the arguments. Did anyone else notice anything from RC 73?

I'm going to do the same for 72, 71, and 70 and see if I get any trends.

mint, post anything you find for 72 rc. my last two 70s rc have been -9 and -6 not where I wanted. is there anything you are doing for timing?
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby RZ5646 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:45 pm

I can't think of any good poll ideas right now.

Also, I'm terribly inconsistent. I could get anything from like 170 to 180 and not be surprised at all.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby mist4bison » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:51 pm

TheProdigal wrote:1) Who should OP Waiters'?
2) First drink after LSAT?
3) How many PTs have you done for October?
4) How far from your testing center do you live?


mist4bison wrote:
theugg wrote:How about a fun poll? Nothing too serious. Or competitive.


I agree.
"How done are you with this test?" (simply so "White girl done" can be an option)
"Drink of choice after the test?"
"What are you doing the day after the test?" (crying, sleeping, doing all the shit I've put off for months, dealing with a hangover, etc.)
"What are you doing to celebrate?" (starting my apps, drinking myself into oblivion, etc.)
Who OPs Waiters is also good.


Ideas.




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