The Official October 2015 Study Group

How many PTs have you done? (timed)

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby redfred22 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:02 pm

redfred22 wrote:Boy, PTs 69+ really are a little different, huh? Anyone else feel the same?


Yeah... I feel as if logical reasoning is even less mechanic than the earlier 60's which were already very different from the 50's and 40's. I just took PT69 and score a decent 171 but still, I felt unsure about my answers on lr and rightfully so because I dropped to a -5 for both sections...


Yeah I'm worried about that. My LG and LR from 40s to early 60s is really low. Normally miss none on LG and 2 to 3 on LR. RC ranges from a low of - 4 to - 10. Hoping I cam get the hang of the newer ones over the next couple weeks. Anyone else feel the same and were able to get used to it quickly? Any tips!? I'm finding that, as you said, they aren't as formulaic, the arguments are a little more detailed/dense, and the answers are trickier. I can get the answer, just takes a little bit longer.

Edited above because it got messed up on mobile. My bad. Brain is fried.
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby flash21 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:07 pm

currently drilling games like a mother. having a countdown on my computer till the lsat date is a bit frightening .. 15 days, 2 hours, 52 minutes and 26 seconds

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby Tycho » Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:24 pm

LG is still consistently my worst section, holding my score in the mid to high 160s. It's really the only thing keeping me from breaking 170. Going to really drill level 4 games in the Cambridge packets, which hopefully makes everything else seem simple by comparison. I think that'll be my primary focus, rather than full PT's, although I'm going to work in a few.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby Tycho » Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:34 pm

gamerish wrote:
Tycho wrote:LG is still consistently my worst section, holding my score in the mid to high 160s. It's really the only thing keeping me from breaking 170. Going to really drill level 4 games in the Cambridge packets, which hopefully makes everything else seem simple by comparison. I think that'll be my primary focus, rather than full PT's, although I'm going to work in a few.

If you want to drill difficult LG games, I'd look at 7sage difficulties instead. At least to me, a lot of the Cambridge leveling with games is just flat out wrong.

Or drill the misc games packet to see if you have a mastery of the logic itself, rather than just the set up (which I think was a big obstacle I faced with LG).


Thanks for that. I realize if there's one section that's realistic to improve in a couple of weeks, it's LG.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby TheProdigal » Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:45 pm

gamerish wrote:
Tycho wrote:LG is still consistently my worst section, holding my score in the mid to high 160s. It's really the only thing keeping me from breaking 170. Going to really drill level 4 games in the Cambridge packets, which hopefully makes everything else seem simple by comparison. I think that'll be my primary focus, rather than full PT's, although I'm going to work in a few.

If you want to drill difficult LG games, I'd look at 7sage difficulties instead. At least to me, a lot of the Cambridge leveling with games is just flat out wrong.

Or drill the misc games packet to see if you have a mastery of the logic itself, rather than just the set up (which I think was a big obstacle I faced with LG).

I think a great deal of the difficulty in the Cambridge packet comes from a lot of those games being oddballs. They're not difficult, per se, but they can catch even a prepared taker of guard. I've run through it a time and a half, and its good for mental dexterity to game types and inferences. A valuable trait considering the trend towards throwback game types lately.

It also helped me finish the dinosaur game in 8 minutes while thinking "that couldn't possibly be the one everyone talks about."

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby redfred22 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:13 pm

gamerish wrote:
Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:-16 is the record (right?).
I definitely feel as though the PTs in the 70s are different. The first time around through the tests I noticed a clear drop off in scores. I felt as though a lot of the questions could apply to multiple question types (or at least more of these duel stems appeared on these tests than normal). They just feel less formulaic. Whereas the earlier tests have one clear thing they're testing, on the newer ones it's more subtle. Not harder just more subtle. Thats all for LR. For RC I think they have slightly more dense passages, and for LG I think they're playing around with setups/ trying to throw people off without actually changing the core game.

Yeah, all of this resonates with me.

Perhaps LSAC is dissatisfied with how prepared people these days can be when coming into the test and they want to test more of people's natural abilities? Maybe that could be a reason they revoked Cambridge's licensing for tests (though my friend was able to buy a bunch of games the other day so I'm not sure if that changed). Or perhaps they're going to start releasing their own studying materials and want people to use only their own methodology? It just seems weird to me they would actively start changing the dynamics of the test given the state law schools are in.


Yeah, there was a PT that I had taken as the actual sitting and I was horrible back then at this test. Shouldn't have taken it. Had already reviewed it before, so I went back recently to look at the questions after revamping my study at the beginning of the year in preps for a retake. Like you said, I wouldn't say they are harder, but definitely different. I'm kinda nervous now, tbh. But I mean, it's still logic, and my knowledge now of logic that allows me to go -2 on average per LR section should allow me to do so on these new PT sections right? Still doesn't take away the nervousness and uncertainty. I'm hoping I can get going on the newer PTs this week and beginning of the next and that'll give me enough time to get acclimated to the difference that the newer tests present.

As for this comment you made, it would seem that their plan worked if that was their actual plan, with how much the number of high scorers has gone down. I think the tests have definitely gotten a little more different or "difficult" though - look at the average scale now. Back in the 40s or so, I remember going through and there being so many that were like -9 or -10 for 170. I'd miss like 11 or 12 total and then check and have a 160s score and was like damn!

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby Dexter97 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:22 pm

Just took PT 68 today and didn't do as well as I hoped with a 169. I slipped up big time on LR, it felt different?

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby 204Wpg » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:33 pm

Also took PT68 today - 174 which was disappointing because it was going so well and I got two Of the last three LG questions wrong taking me down from a 176 (my previous best full PT score).

I did like the RC in these though, which has been my biggest struggle.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:02 pm

anyone taking fresh timed pt-72 found RC very hard?

i did it today and i am sure it was among the worst rc i have done.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:18 pm

gamerish wrote:I've taken 73 and 74 and they definitely felt... different. I'm not sure I could qualify in what though. The poster above's comment about the logic feeling less mechanical sounds about right though.

I went down on 73 but then went way up on 74, which was my first 170+ score.


how different are pt 73+ are from 71/72? i noticed that pt 71/72 are a bit different from most of the 60s pt, but not sure how different pt-73 onward are.




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