The Official October 2015 Study Group

How many PTs have you done? (timed)

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5
4%
5+
12
10%
10+
25
21%
15+
14
12%
20+
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17%
25+
9
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27%
 
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Butter
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby Butter » Tue May 05, 2015 11:49 pm

chicharon wrote:Can't believe so many of you are taking it cold and getting 160+. Am I the only ninny or what? My diagnostic was 155 :|


With hard work you can still get a 170. I know of people who did.

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TheProdigal
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby TheProdigal » Wed May 06, 2015 12:04 am

Butter wrote:
chicharon wrote:Can't believe so many of you are taking it cold and getting 160+. Am I the only ninny or what? My diagnostic was 155 :|


With hard work you can still get a 170. I know of people who did.


And there are people who can't crack 170 with a 160+ diagnostic.

The LSAT is very learnable, and (depending on the person) starting with a lower diagnostic helps by making it clear there's learning to be done. Higher diagnostics can leave you skimming through guides you should be reading because "I know this, don't worry," is running through your head. Its the score you get, maybe on your third take, that matters. A diagnostic is just that, and nothing more.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby sanibella » Wed May 06, 2015 1:07 am

chicharon wrote:Can't believe so many of you are taking it cold and getting 160+. Am I the only ninny or what? My diagnostic was 155 :|


No. First of all, think about the population this site attracts. Second of all, I'd be willing to bet more people with higher diagnostics are willing to share than the amount of people with average to above average due to the mentality of this forum. Diagnostics are meaningless except to gauge your current areas of growth/weakness. Your score doesn't count until you're in that room.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby sanibella » Wed May 06, 2015 1:08 am

TheProdigal wrote:
Butter wrote:
chicharon wrote:Can't believe so many of you are taking it cold and getting 160+. Am I the only ninny or what? My diagnostic was 155 :|


With hard work you can still get a 170. I know of people who did.


And there are people who can't crack 170 with a 160+ diagnostic.

The LSAT is very learnable, and (depending on the person) starting with a lower diagnostic helps by making it clear there's learning to be done. Higher diagnostics can leave you skimming through guides you should be reading because "I know this, don't worry," is running through your head. Its the score you get, maybe on your third take, that matters. A diagnostic is just that, and nothing more.


+1

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby BlindGuyMcSqueezy » Wed May 06, 2015 7:57 am

Not all these people took it cold. Read the posts, at least some of them studied before the diagnostic.

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TheProdigal
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby TheProdigal » Wed May 06, 2015 12:35 pm

bgoldgrab wrote:Not all these people took it cold. Read the posts, at least some of them studied before the diagnostic.


This as well. My favorite are those who only mention later they forgot to include they took their diagnostic untimed.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby 179orBust » Wed May 06, 2015 12:40 pm

Have drilled like 40 LG so far and most of the time I'm still not able to hit the suggested time on 7sage on my first try. So if he recommends that a game should take me 5 min, it usually takes me 6-7. Do any of you have this problem, or did you all just get the hang of games pretty quickly?

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby TheProdigal » Wed May 06, 2015 1:11 pm

LG games don't exist in a vacuum; the time it takes you should be considered in relation to the entire section. For example, you might take an extra couple of minutes on the "easy" five minute game, but be able to finish most nine minute "hard" games in less. I'd mostly recommend drilling from the Difficult Games packet aiming for 8-9 minutes, but once you're technically proficient at games, use some older complete LG sections to judge timing.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby 179orBust » Wed May 06, 2015 2:17 pm

Thanks guys.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby Joseph » Wed May 06, 2015 3:24 pm

Any retakers want to form a study group/need a study buddy? I wrote in December and I'm starting to study for an October rewrite.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Wed May 06, 2015 9:36 pm

TheProdigal wrote:
Butter wrote:
chicharon wrote:Can't believe so many of you are taking it cold and getting 160+. Am I the only ninny or what? My diagnostic was 155 :|


With hard work you can still get a 170. I know of people who did.


And there are people who can't crack 170 with a 160+ diagnostic.

The LSAT is very learnable, and (depending on the person) starting with a lower diagnostic helps by making it clear there's learning to be done. Higher diagnostics can leave you skimming through guides you should be reading because "I know this, don't worry," is running through your head. Its the score you get, maybe on your third take, that matters. A diagnostic is just that, and nothing more.


high diag can help imo. iirc your test day score was below diag. was it nerves or other reason?

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby TheProdigal » Wed May 06, 2015 10:35 pm

appind wrote:
TheProdigal wrote:
Butter wrote:
chicharon wrote:Can't believe so many of you are taking it cold and getting 160+. Am I the only ninny or what? My diagnostic was 155 :|


With hard work you can still get a 170. I know of people who did.


And there are people who can't crack 170 with a 160+ diagnostic.

The LSAT is very learnable, and (depending on the person) starting with a lower diagnostic helps by making it clear there's learning to be done. Higher diagnostics can leave you skimming through guides you should be reading because "I know this, don't worry," is running through your head. Its the score you get, maybe on your third take, that matters. A diagnostic is just that, and nothing more.


high diag can help imo. iirc your test day score was below diag. was it nerves or other reason?


I don't know if you misquoted here, but if you're asking me: no.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby sanibella » Wed May 06, 2015 11:12 pm

TheProdigal wrote:
appind wrote:
TheProdigal wrote:
Butter wrote:
With hard work you can still get a 170. I know of people who did.


And there are people who can't crack 170 with a 160+ diagnostic.

The LSAT is very learnable, and (depending on the person) starting with a lower diagnostic helps by making it clear there's learning to be done. Higher diagnostics can leave you skimming through guides you should be reading because "I know this, don't worry," is running through your head. Its the score you get, maybe on your third take, that matters. A diagnostic is just that, and nothing more.


high diag can help imo. iirc your test day score was below diag. was it nerves or other reason?


I don't know if you misquoted here, but if you're asking me: no.


Did you mean me? Diag 171 score 168. No, it wasn't nerves but a likely combination of not nearly enough studying, recovering from an illness, and a very unusual logic game that threw me for a loop and almost certainly where I lost several points. I knew when I walked out I scored between 166 and 168. I'm not concerned about October since the first and most influential factor is one very completely in my control.

but....

On reflection, I don't really know if the recovery affected my performance and if I had studied more I would have been better prepared for the LG. So, I guess it really came down to study time.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Wed May 06, 2015 11:35 pm

TheProdigal wrote:
appind wrote:high diag can help imo. iirc your test day score was below diag. was it nerves or other reason?


I don't know if you misquoted here, but if you're asking me: no.


oops, quoted the wrong post. meant to quote this
No. First of all, think about the population this site attracts. Second of all, I'd be willing to bet more people with higher diagnostics are willing to share than the amount of people with average to above average due to the mentality of this forum. Diagnostics are meaningless except to gauge your current areas of growth/weakness. Your score doesn't count until you're in that room.

Signed,
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby passwordisdoge » Thu May 07, 2015 12:24 am

Checking in

Long time lurker. 169. Aiming for a 175+

Woo :shock: 8)

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby georgie2006 » Fri May 08, 2015 10:32 am

checking in:) here we goooooooo

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby The Abyss » Sun May 10, 2015 2:56 pm

Drilling Paradox questions today, and I might do some Matching questions too. 146 days remaining!

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby a_parm » Sun May 10, 2015 3:00 pm

Checking in. Postponed exam from June to October.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby georgie2006 » Sun May 10, 2015 7:42 pm

Just out of curiosity, has everyone here finished college?

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby The Abyss » Sun May 10, 2015 8:11 pm

georgie2006 wrote:Just out of curiosity, has everyone here finished college?


I'm 3 years removed from school.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby georgie2006 » Sun May 10, 2015 8:20 pm

Oh wow! I'm barely 1 year out from college; I will be 2 years out once I (hopefully) enter law school next Fall.




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