The Official October 2015 Study Group

How many PTs have you done? (timed)

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby Sera Numquam » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:37 pm

SirArthurDayne wrote:
Sera Numquam wrote:Does anybody here think the RC Bible by Powerscore is more useful then Manhattan Prep's RC book? I just got the 4th edition from my library and I've heard great things about it. I would prefer not to spend more money on another prep book when I've already purchased the other two bibles, prep tests, Cambridge packets, etc. Does anyone think purchasing the RC Bible is worth it despite having the Manhattan RC book?


Unless they changed their method, PS never really had a strategy for RC in their older books lol


What did they include before?

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby appind » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:15 pm

Is there a solid reason as to why C is not a necessary assumption in 60.3.22?

the premises clearly say that increasing demand causes gasoline price raise. this is same as saying gasoline demand can't increase without gasoline price increase, which is C.
it seems just because it's a premise doesn't mean it's not a necessary assumption in case that is one of the reasons one used for elimitating this choice. i see why A is a required assumption but don't see why C is not.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby Sera Numquam » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:27 pm

SirArthurDayne wrote:
Sera Numquam wrote:
SirArthurDayne wrote:
Sera Numquam wrote:Does anybody here think the RC Bible by Powerscore is more useful then Manhattan Prep's RC book? I just got the 4th edition from my library and I've heard great things about it. I would prefer not to spend more money on another prep book when I've already purchased the other two bibles, prep tests, Cambridge packets, etc. Does anyone think purchasing the RC Bible is worth it despite having the Manhattan RC book?


Unless they changed their method, PS never really had a strategy for RC in their older books lol


What did they include before?


All I remember from their earlier books was a discussion of how the LSAT goes out of their way to affirm underrepresented groups ( NAs, AAs, ect) and why you should keep this in mind when reading passages. There was also quite a bit of focus on notation, but I didn't like the symbols they used. Ultimately it didnt focus enough on the important aspects of RC, such as reasoning structure and understanding the different points represented and how they relate to one another, and this became apparent only after I read Manhattan's RC, and even more so when I got the Trainer. For me personally the Trainer was great!


Thanks for the input! Good thing I got Manhattan's RC then!

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby Sera Numquam » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:35 pm

appind wrote:Is there a solid reason as to why C is not a necessary assumption in 60.3.22?

the premises clearly say that increasing demand causes gasoline price raise. this is same as saying gasoline demand can't increase without gasoline price increase, which is C.
it seems just because it's a premise doesn't mean it's not a necessary assumption in case that is one of the reasons one used for elimitating this choice. i see why A is a required assumption but don't see why C is not.


The author assumes the government is responsible for something it didn't do. In A, you assume the government is responsible, even if it causes something indirectly. C is incorrect because the connection between the increased demand and increased price is explicitly stated in the argument. We don't need to assume that increased demand always causes prices to increase; it's enough to know that this is the case in this particular example.

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Postby nlee10 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:52 pm

PatriotP74 wrote:So how many have already paid for the test? I was getting ready to but wasn't sure if I'm way early or not.....

I did immediately since I really like my TC and didn't want to risk losing it.

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Postby ariaaaa » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:35 pm

PatriotP74 wrote:So how many have already paid for the test? I was getting ready to but wasn't sure if I'm way early or not.....


I did a couple weeks ago! I kind of needed to in order to remind myself that I was actually going to take the test and that I should probably study... :roll:

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby redfred22 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:57 pm

Signed up for mine a couple weeks ago. Have signed up for last December and last February and ended up backing out of both - fee waiver saved me some money on those.

Anyway, just completed my first timed section of LG in about 8 months. Was prepping last fall/winter and had gotten into a good range. Didn't have the other sections down that well so postponed a couple times and invested in the Trainer and Manhattan LR guides. Neglected LG as I felt comfortable. Have been worried, though, after doing some during practice that I'd have forgotten those skills. I was reallllllly rusty, but have done some untimed games and never miss any. Timed section today I was able to relax at the end of the last game and went -2 for the section. Feels REALLY good to have had that happen. I thought I was screwed because the first game I messed up a rule and one of the others I had a brain fart and luckily caught a screw up early. Timed practice really is a different beast.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby MrBalloons » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:03 pm

Has anybody had any luck with the strategy of PTing back to back days? Or like, 3 or 4 days in a row?

It feels like it would be useful, but I've never done it.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby RZ5646 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:34 pm

MrBalloons wrote:Has anybody had any luck with the strategy of PTing back to back days? Or like, 3 or 4 days in a row?

It feels like it would be useful, but I've never done it.


This will be my August until I burn out, hit 160, and break down crying only to days later emerge from the abyss as a brilliant 180 phoenix! No victory without struggle my friends.

To whoever hasn't paid yet, you should probably do that. Idk how often test centers fill up, but you'll be very unhappy if your local center sells out and you have to drive hours away. Also, if there's any truth to certain test centers being better, those will fill up first because of 0L gunners.

In other news, this thread is blowing up! Poast harder guys, we're gonna hit 180 by test day.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby MrBalloons » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:36 pm

theugg wrote:I mean it doesn't really make a difference? As long as you don't do it every day and burn out.

I think I've seen it in a study guide or two, so I'm assuming there's some independent benefit to it. I just haven't done it myself.

ETA: Did a little google magic and found it in TLS1776's guide:
Taking PTs for multiple days in a row - Several high-scorers mentioned that they took PTs every day for a period of time; for the first 3/4 of my prep I was taking my PTs at a rate of at most one a week, but in the spring of 2010 I experimented with taking PTs for several days in row (you can see this on my spreadsheet). The first time I did it, I took a five-section test for six days, and then checked my scores on all the tests on the last day. What I noticed (and this is important) was that after a few days in a row of taking a full five-section test I found it easier to process the text of the test. My PT scores on those tests seem to confirm that observation: my first two PT scores were 174s, but then I jumped up to 178s. I used this observation to prepare for the actual June test by taking a PT the night before the exam.


I may try it in a 3 or 4 day span sometime.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby DoYouEvenTLS » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:55 pm

I paid. I'm taking it at my UG institution. Home sweet home, if you will.





I've had a pretty good week of studying, think I might take a PT tomorrow to assess
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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby RZ5646 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:09 pm

theugg wrote:LURKERS. SHOW YOURSELF


PW time? PW time.

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Re: The Official October 2015 Study Group

Postby RZ5646 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:11 pm

Mint-Berry_Crunch wrote:Did this the week before the test.
Worst idea I've ever had in my life. I forgot how to English.
And usually PTs don't tire me out... So yeah.
Don't burn out kids.


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