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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by RZ5646 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:08 pm

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RZ5646 wrote:I think LG is mostly a test of work ethic. You can master it just by more or less mindlessly drilling games over and over again.
The drilling should hardly be mindless. Brute force won't do it. You need to learn how to make the inferences and how to approach certain games
Slightly related: if you're an engineering student why the hell do you want to go to law school?

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by ChoboPie » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:35 pm

JackelJ wrote:Where is everyone in their studying? I'm curious and want to get to know people.

How long have you been studying? Few weeks before September, nothing since then. I was going to take it in Sept., but crazy, unexpected shit happened -.- ... *Sigh...
If this your first time or are you retaking? First time.
What is your goal? 178+
Best and worst section?LG is my best section by far. LR+RC are equally bad.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by JackelJ » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:35 pm

RZ5646 wrote:Slightly related: if you're an engineering student why the hell do you want to go to law school?
So I can practice law.
Why else would I go to law school?

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by RZ5646 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:41 pm

JackelJ wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:Slightly related: if you're an engineering student why the hell do you want to go to law school?
So I can practice law.
Why else would I go to law school?
For realz Jackel... right now you're looking at "guaranteed high income" and "very risky chance at a slightly higher income in a radically different field" and you're choosing the latter after working hard for four years to earn the former. I can sorta understand for patent law, but even then it doesn't seem worth it. Engineering -> MBA -> $$$$$$

Law school is supposed to be take two for liberal arts students. Enjoy your industrial-capitalist STEM privilege.
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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Rigo » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:45 pm

RZ5646 wrote:
JackelJ wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:I think LG is mostly a test of work ethic. You can master it just by more or less mindlessly drilling games over and over again.
The drilling should hardly be mindless. Brute force won't do it. You need to learn how to make the inferences and how to approach certain games
Slightly related: if you're an engineering student why the hell do you want to go to law school?
Hasn't this been asked and answered?

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Shakawkaw » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:51 pm

Dirigo wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:
JackelJ wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:I think LG is mostly a test of work ethic. You can master it just by more or less mindlessly drilling games over and over again.
The drilling should hardly be mindless. Brute force won't do it. You need to learn how to make the inferences and how to approach certain games
Slightly related: if you're an engineering student why the hell do you want to go to law school?
Hasn't this been asked and answered?
Sustained.

You don't have to answer OP's question. #BackSeatBan2k15

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by JackelJ » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:57 pm

RZ5646 wrote:For realz Jackel... right now you're looking at "guaranteed high income" and "very risky chance at a slightly higher income in a radically different field" and you're choosing the latter after working hard for four years to earn the former. I can sorta understand for patent law, but even then it doesn't seem worth it. Engineering -> MBA -> $$$$$$
For realz, I'm going to law school because I want to practice law.
Haha, I do think its funny you're telling me about a field I know more about, but I'll bite.
There is no "guaranteed high income" for anyone. Yeah, engineers earn more on average and have lower employment but they aren't immune to downturns in the market or company takeovers. There actually is a very likely chance that I can earn significantly more money as a lawyer with an engineering background, as long as I play my situation correctly. The field is not radically different, especially if I go into patent law because I will still be dealing with engineers and technology. Engineering -> MBA -> $$$$$$ may get you $$ but not $$$$$$. And those aren't difficult to get, there is no reason why I couldn't get my MBA after law school. And lastly, I'm not working very hard over here.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by JackelJ » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:58 pm

Shakawkaw wrote:
Dirigo wrote: Hasn't this been asked and answered?
Sustained.

You don't have to answer OP's question. #BackSeatBan2k15
Yes, but OP has the memory of a goldfish. And I already typed out the answer for the 10th time so I posted it anyway
RZ5646 wrote:Law school is supposed to be take two for liberal arts students. Enjoy your industrial-capitalist STEM privilege.
I do hope we go to the same lawl skool so I can use my industrial-capitalist STEM privilege and score higher than you on all the exams.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

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Sounds kinda ill thought out, Jackel.
OP might be onto something.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by JackelJ » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:08 am

Dirigo wrote:Sounds kinda ill thought out, Jackel.
OP might be onto something.
You might be right.
You know what, forget law school and forget the LSAT.
See you guys never! I'm out.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by Rigo » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:10 am

JackelJ wrote:
Dirigo wrote:Sounds kinda ill thought out, Jackel.
OP might be onto something.
You might be right.
You know what, forget law school and forget the LSAT.
See you guys never! I'm out.
Your location really fits your tar.

Looks like you've got a lot of yogurt left.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by ChoboPie » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:13 am

JackelJ wrote:
Dirigo wrote:Sounds kinda ill thought out, Jackel.
OP might be onto something.
You might be right.
You know what, forget law school and forget the LSAT.
See you guys never! I'm out.
Well, you are nearing retirement age.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by RZ5646 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:17 am

JackelJ wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:Law school is supposed to be take two for liberal arts students. Enjoy your industrial-capitalist STEM privilege.
I do hope we go to the same lawl skool so I can use my industrial-capitalist STEM privilege and score higher than you on all the exams.
You people take things too personally. I'm referring to the fact that for at least the last 50 years our country has been focused on STEM to the neglect of the humanities, first because of STEM's military potential and now because it serves our materialistic culture. If you want to get scholarships, get a job, get rich, receive popular praise, etc., the surest way to do that is to study applied science or math. That's just a fact.

Which is why it's odd that you want to throw away all the opportunities you have. If you just don't want to be an engineer anymore and think it's mind-numbingly boring or whatever, cool, but saying that law is a more likely path to fame and fortune tests your credibility. I'm okay with admitting my UG mistakes: I should have done STEM.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by TheWalkingDebt » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:20 am

RZ5646 wrote: Which is why it's odd that you want to throw away all the opportunities you have. If you just don't want to be an engineer anymore and think it's mind-numbingly boring or whatever, cool, but saying that law is a more likely path to fame and fortune tests your credibility. I'm okay with admitting my UG mistakes: I should have done STEM.
I'm guessing she sees it less as "throwing it away" and more as "building upon it"

Also, I'd be interested to see a poll about political affiliations ITT. Dem, Rep, Libertarian, Green, etc.

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by RZ5646 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:22 am

TheWalkingDebt wrote:
RZ5646 wrote: Which is why it's odd that you want to throw away all the opportunities you have. If you just don't want to be an engineer anymore and think it's mind-numbingly boring or whatever, cool, but saying that law is a more likely path to fame and fortune tests your credibility. I'm okay with admitting my UG mistakes: I should have done STEM.
I'm guessing she sees it less as "throwing it away" and more as "building upon it"

Also, I'd be interested to see a poll about political affiliations ITT. Dem, Rep, Libertarian, Green, etc.
I like it. What are some of the more obscure parties/camps that I should add to the poll?

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by JackelJ » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:24 am

You're right, I took it way to personally and wasn't joking at all :roll:
Who wants to catch all the opportunities I'm throwing away? Line up, theres a bunch so you have a good chance of catching at least one.


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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by TheWalkingDebt » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:26 am

RZ5646 wrote:
TheWalkingDebt wrote:
RZ5646 wrote: Which is why it's odd that you want to throw away all the opportunities you have. If you just don't want to be an engineer anymore and think it's mind-numbingly boring or whatever, cool, but saying that law is a more likely path to fame and fortune tests your credibility. I'm okay with admitting my UG mistakes: I should have done STEM.
I'm guessing she sees it less as "throwing it away" and more as "building upon it"

Also, I'd be interested to see a poll about political affiliations ITT. Dem, Rep, Libertarian, Green, etc.
I like it. What are some of the more obscure parties/camps that I should add to the poll?
From left to right (these are political ideologies, not parties):

Socialist
Green
Progressive Democrat
New Dems Democrat
Blue dog Democrat
"Country club" Republican (think George H.W.)
Republican
Tea Party Republican
Libertarian

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by RZ5646 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:26 am

TheWalkingDebt wrote:
RZ5646 wrote:
TheWalkingDebt wrote:
RZ5646 wrote: Which is why it's odd that you want to throw away all the opportunities you have. If you just don't want to be an engineer anymore and think it's mind-numbingly boring or whatever, cool, but saying that law is a more likely path to fame and fortune tests your credibility. I'm okay with admitting my UG mistakes: I should have done STEM.
I'm guessing she sees it less as "throwing it away" and more as "building upon it"

Also, I'd be interested to see a poll about political affiliations ITT. Dem, Rep, Libertarian, Green, etc.
I like it. What are some of the more obscure parties/camps that I should add to the poll?
From left to right (these are political ideologies, not parties):

Socialist
Green
Progressive Democrat
New Dems Democrat
Blue dog Democrat
"Country club" Republican (think George H.W.)
Republican
Tea Party Republican
Libertarian
We need "fascist" for BLM

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Re: The Official June 2015 Study Group

Post by ChoboPie » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:35 am

RZ5646 wrote: You people take things too personally. I'm referring to the fact that for at least the last 50 years our country has been focused on STEM to the neglect of the humanities, first because of STEM's military potential and now because it serves our materialistic culture. If you want to get scholarships, get a job, get rich, receive popular praise, etc., the surest way to do that is to study applied science or math. That's just a fact.

Which is why it's odd that you want to throw away all the opportunities you have. If you just don't want to be an engineer anymore and think it's mind-numbingly boring or whatever, cool, but saying that law is a more likely path to fame and fortune tests your credibility. I'm okay with admitting my UG mistakes: I should have done STEM.
Lolwtf RZ. Suggesting that STEM majors get better opportunities because it "serves our materialistic culture" is vague, and to suggest that this is the primary reason is downright offensive.

There are SO many reasons for why STEM majors tend to do better than humanities majors, and a lot of them are quite legit.

To suggest that STEM is a surefire way to success is completely wrong. In many cases, it's a hell of a lot harder than humanities and can saddle people with subpar GPAs.

STEM also isn't nearly as easy as you say. You can't just go, Oh I'm gonna do STEM, givemediplomathxbai.

I try not too confrontational, but RZ, you make me want to just shit on humanities majors for pages on end, shit on you, and shit on people like you who shit on others for applying to law school when they've already done STEM/finance/or the like.

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I like you more each day Chobo

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Post by justabitunusual » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:56 am

McJimJam wrote:Unsolicited advice, it's magically delicious!
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ChoboPie wrote: STEM also isn't nearly as easy as you say. You can't just go, Oh I'm gonna do STEM, givemediplomathxbai.
So many good points...I was pre-med and had one class really diminish my gpa overall...but i was a Biology major and jobs coming out of school with my major (not going straight to med school) were making $24K starting pay, so even though i worked a lot harder than my humanities counterparts I still had the same grading scale in the end...i ended up switching from double major my junior yr (w only 15 hours left of bio to full on Humanities and minor in bio- for personal reasons- inb4 rz tries to suggest why) which i soared through and got a 4.0 in.

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Post by TheProdigal » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:13 am

I'm going to echo what most everyone is saying. I can't speak from personal experience, but a friend from high school did Bio at (an arguable) state flagship research university. Graduated and couldn't find work for more than 20k, and that was before the economy cratered. He got really into breeding fish while funemployed for a while, then up and joined the army.

A second friend from UG graduated from a liberal arts college with a physics degree and is on the verge of defending his dissertation in nanotech -- he's already been quoted in some lay publications on his team's research. He's still freaking out over the chance of ever finding a decent position in academia/research.

STEM is having the same glut as law school. There are going to be winners and losers through no fault or credit of their own. They might often get there in a bit less debt, but its the same problem. We're still dealing with a pre-recession education model and pushing more money and students into STEM professions is only driving domestic wages down while employers are all too happy to outsource to India or SE Asia.

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