The Official December 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby nlee10 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:20 pm

PT 71 Continued:

LR2: 18/26
BR LR2: 24/26

Holy crap....if you are not strong in diagramming, you will have a lot of trouble. Upon BR, I took my time to diagram most of the MBT's and Assumption questions.

RC: 19/27
BR RC: 22/27.. :oops:

Overall: The both LR's really killed me. I did alright on LG and RC but overall not happy. Most of my LR misses have been diagrammable assumptions and MBT's. In the older PT's, I have been able to get 20+ on a LR section without really diagramming but it seemed like this particular PT went crazy with diagrammable. Need to drill MBT's and Assumptions to speed up my diagramming skills.

ETA:
Timed PT: 159
BR Score: 171
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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby JDman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:23 pm

nlee10 wrote:PT 71 Continued:

LR2: 18/26
BR LR2: 24/26

Holy crap....if you are not strong in diagramming, you will have a lot of trouble. Upon BR, I took my time to diagram most of the MBT's and Assumption questions.

RC: 19/27
BR RC: 22/27.. :oops:

Overall: The both LR's really killed me. I did alright on LG and RC but overall not happy. Most of my LR misses have been diagrammable assumptions and MBT's. In the older PT's, I have been able to get 20+ on a LR section without really diagramming but it seemed like this particular PT went crazy with diagrammable. Need to drill MBT's and Assumptions to speed up my diagramming skills.


Diagramming for LR? How so?

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby nlee10 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:29 pm

JDman wrote:Diagramming for LR? How so?


Take a basic necessary assumption for example. The stimulus will have some conditional premises that's essentially A->B and B->C.

The conclusion will say A->D. The required assumption needed to make the argument valid will be that C->D. The correct answer will either state C->D or contrapositive ~D->~C.

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby JDman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:30 pm

Dirigo wrote:Get it together, JDman.


:lol: :|

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby nlee10 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:31 pm

mist4bison wrote:That BR score is great, though. Good job! You still have a month! You can get there

ETA: does BP tell you specifically not to diagram for LR? TM really pushes that we shouldn't, so I always get nervous when there's a question I probably should diagram. If BP does the same thing, maybe that's the issue?


Nah, they love to diagram...I'm at fault for being ignorant. hah. I swear there weren't too many diagrammables in the PT 40's or PT 50's. LOL. But PT 71 was only a year ago so I'm not taking any chances.

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby JDman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:32 pm

mist4bison wrote:
Dirigo wrote:Get it together, JDman.


Play nice, Rigo.


Yeah, play nice. :?

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby JDman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:33 pm

nlee10 wrote:
JDman wrote:Diagramming for LR? How so?


Take a basic necessary assumption for example. The stimulus will have some conditional premises that's essentially A->B and B->C.

The conclusion will say A->D. The required assumption needed to make the argument valid will be that C->D. The correct answer will either state C->D or contrapositive ~D->~C.



Ah I understand, not used to seeing the word 'diagramming' for LR. My badd..

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby JDman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:38 pm

Dirigo wrote:
mist4bison wrote:
Dirigo wrote:Get it together, JDman.

Play nice, Rigo.

I mean....really though?
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There are no stupid questions when trying to learn the LSAT. Not everyone is on the same page, sir.

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby nlee10 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:39 pm

mist4bison wrote:
mist4bison wrote:Ahh, okay. I'm really curious about what's in store for us with 74. There was a hard game on 71, hard RC (it was RC, right?) on 72, and hard LR on 73. Although, I guess the "hard" section is dependent upon the taker.


Yeah, I'm pretty curious...

I thought the games and RC were pretty avg on 71. :shock: LR doe....

ETA: I know for sure 72 (June 2014) was the one with the trippy game or something.
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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby koala-fy » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:45 pm

Superstaranonymous wrote: It takes massive effort for me to slow down and process things if I recognize I don't understand something. As a result I nearly always miss 1-4 because of a misread or I spent too much time reassessing on the last questions. I really feel like this may be holding me back.


I do this too. Anyone have any tips for this, especially for preventing misreading or carelessness?

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby JDman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:46 pm

(if) cheeky -> (then) indignant
contra: -indignant -> -cheeky

Moral: Don't be cheeky. :lol:

Is that accurate? Haha..

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby Shakawkaw » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:47 pm

Dirigo wrote:I think most people tend to over-diagram for LR, so be sure to only do it when it's essential. Otherwise, it could do more harm than good by confusing you.


+1. I think this is why going stem-stim is particularly useful because if it's a conditional in the stim but the stem is not asking for Nec./Suff. ass, I will not diagram.

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby nlee10 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:50 pm

Shakawkaw wrote:
Dirigo wrote:I think most people tend to over-diagram for LR, so be sure to only do it when it's essential. Otherwise, it could do more harm than good by confusing you.


+1. I think this is why going stem-stim is particularly useful because if it's a conditional in the stim but the stem is not asking for Nec./Suff. ass, I will not diagram.


How about MBT's with some conditionals? With "all" "most" "some" "none"

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby Shakawkaw » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:54 pm

nlee10 wrote:
Shakawkaw wrote:
Dirigo wrote:I think most people tend to over-diagram for LR, so be sure to only do it when it's essential. Otherwise, it could do more harm than good by confusing you.


+1. I think this is why going stem-stim is particularly useful because if it's a conditional in the stim but the stem is not asking for Nec./Suff. ass, I will not diagram.


How about MBT's with some conditionals? With "all" "most" "some" "none"


I know there was a useful section in the Bible about the all/some/most "train." I don't find it particularly useful to diagram these, aside from noting which kind of qualifiers are used, since the answer choice will reflect a parallel in that sense. So, if the stimulus says "Some x's blah blah y," I know the answer choice cannot be "Most" or "All" x's blah blah y.

ETA: Goes without saying that everyone should do whatever they are most comfortable with. As a philosophy major, I'm all too familiar with formal logic, so I can do a lot of it in my head. It definitely helps to drill the Conditional Reasoning packet and do the diagramming for those even if you don't need to. I like to check my work against the Manhattan LSAT forums just to make sure my diagrams are accurate. Once I built that foundation and was confident with my diagramming, I just carried it all in my head because it saves time.

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:59 pm

JDman wrote:
Dirigo wrote:
mist4bison wrote:
Dirigo wrote:Get it together, JDman.

Play nice, Rigo.

I mean....really though?
:mrgreen:


There are no stupid questions when trying to learn the LSAT. Not everyone is on the same page, sir.


There are definitely stupid questions and youre stupid if you think otherwise

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby Shakawkaw » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:01 pm

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:There are definitely stupid questions and youre stupid if you think otherwise


So happy you're staying consistent with the head of Marx.

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Re: The Official December 2014 Study Group

Postby Rigo » Thu Nov 06, 2014 9:09 pm

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