June 2014 Retakers

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby BillPackets » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:05 pm

dasani13 wrote:In games, do you guys begin creating the main diagram after you read all the rules or after the first paragraph of the stim but before the rules?


Depends on if I can tell what the main diagram is going to be from the stimulus, which that is the case like 99% of the time.

PT 1 S2 G4 is an example of where i think it's nearly impossible to set up the game board just by reading the stimulus.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby dasani13 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:34 pm

BillPackets wrote:
dasani13 wrote:In games, do you guys begin creating the main diagram after you read all the rules or after the first paragraph of the stim but before the rules?


Depends on if I can tell what the main diagram is going to be from the stimulus, which that is the case like 99% of the time.

PT 1 S2 G4 is an example of where i think it's nearly impossible to set up the game board just by reading the stimulus.


Thanks! That's how it is with me as well. But I remember reading somewhere that we shouldn't do it until we read the rules, so at times I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I don't remember if it was a reliable source or not, that's why I was wondering how everyone else does it.

Games <20 weird me out!

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby BillPackets » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:43 pm

dasani13 wrote:
BillPackets wrote:
dasani13 wrote:In games, do you guys begin creating the main diagram after you read all the rules or after the first paragraph of the stim but before the rules?


Depends on if I can tell what the main diagram is going to be from the stimulus, which that is the case like 99% of the time.

PT 1 S2 G4 is an example of where i think it's nearly impossible to set up the game board just by reading the stimulus.


Thanks! That's how it is with me as well. But I remember reading somewhere that we shouldn't do it until we read the rules, so at times I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I don't remember if it was a reliable source or not, that's why I was wondering how everyone else does it.

Games <20 weird me out!


I think you can pretty well get a sense of the gameboard from the stimulus. I guess if you're doing a double layer sequencing game, for example, you could write all the rules down and then make the game board. But if a rule says "x must go fourth" I think it's just easier to have your master game board right there to write in X.

Sometimes though the rules don't really give you an idea to how to the game board will play out, and you really have nothing to mark on your master game board.

In that case, I could see how not writing down a master game board would, at the least, save time.

But even in that case I think it's helpful to see that there's really nothing to mark on the master game board and just to dive into the first question.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Jack Reagan » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:31 pm

dasani13 wrote:
BillPackets wrote:
dasani13 wrote:In games, do you guys begin creating the main diagram after you read all the rules or after the first paragraph of the stim but before the rules?


Depends on if I can tell what the main diagram is going to be from the stimulus, which that is the case like 99% of the time.

PT 1 S2 G4 is an example of where i think it's nearly impossible to set up the game board just by reading the stimulus.


Thanks! That's how it is with me as well. But I remember reading somewhere that we shouldn't do it until we read the rules, so at times I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I don't remember if it was a reliable source or not, that's why I was wondering how everyone else does it.

Games <20 weird me out!


That is generally advice given to beginners so that they don't rush into making a game board that is incorrect without a complete look at the game. As you progress and get more comfortable recognizing game types it is perfectly acceptable to diagram after or as you read the stimulus.

Don't forget to study those old circular games! (there was one on the unreleased Feb exam this year)

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby dasani13 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:35 pm

Jack Reagan wrote:
dasani13 wrote:
BillPackets wrote:
dasani13 wrote:In games, do you guys begin creating the main diagram after you read all the rules or after the first paragraph of the stim but before the rules?


Depends on if I can tell what the main diagram is going to be from the stimulus, which that is the case like 99% of the time.

PT 1 S2 G4 is an example of where i think it's nearly impossible to set up the game board just by reading the stimulus.


Thanks! That's how it is with me as well. But I remember reading somewhere that we shouldn't do it until we read the rules, so at times I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I don't remember if it was a reliable source or not, that's why I was wondering how everyone else does it.

Games <20 weird me out!


That is generally advice given to beginners so that they don't rush into making a game board that is incorrect without a complete look at the game. As you progress and get more comfortable recognizing game types it is perfectly acceptable to diagram after or as you read the stimulus.

Don't forget to study those old circular games! (there was one on the unreleased Feb exam this year)


Aah that makes a lot of sense! Thanks :)

I definitely plan on reserving a few drilling days for circular/misc games.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Jack Reagan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:40 am

Done with the LSAT for tonight, need sleep.... well maybe one more RC passage

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Reboot_the_Robot » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:46 am

dasani13 wrote:
Don't forget to study those old circular games! (there was one on the unreleased Feb exam this year)


Ugh. I don't even remember the last time I've seen a circular game on a PT. Anyone know of a good website for sample circular games?

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby iiibbystar » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:14 pm

Reboot_the_Robot wrote:
dasani13 wrote:
Don't forget to study those old circular games! (there was one on the unreleased Feb exam this year)


Ugh. I don't even remember the last time I've seen a circular game on a PT. Anyone know of a good website for sample circular games?


Hi!

One circular game I can think of is in PT JUNE 1991, GAME 1. And, I think there's another one in PT 41 (I could be wrong). But, I hope that helps!

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby rebexness » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:36 pm

Circular type games:

PT 4, Game 4
Pt 6, game 3
PT 6, game 4
PT 9, game 4
PT 15, game 2
PT 18, game 3

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby dasani13 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:13 pm

rebexness wrote:Circular type games:

PT 4, Game 4
Pt 6, game 3
PT 6, game 4
PT 9, game 4
PT 15, game 2
PT 18, game 3


thank youu! you're awesome!

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Cambridge LSAT » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:46 pm

iiibbystar wrote:
Reboot_the_Robot wrote:
dasani13 wrote:
Don't forget to study those old circular games! (there was one on the unreleased Feb exam this year)


Ugh. I don't even remember the last time I've seen a circular game on a PT. Anyone know of a good website for sample circular games?


Hi!

One circular game I can think of is in PT JUNE 1991, GAME 1. And, I think there's another one in PT 41 (I could be wrong). But, I hope that helps!

Yes, (LinkRemoved) features a circular picnic table. Additionally, game 3 of SuperPrep B (LinkRemoved) has couples seated around a circular table.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby rebexness » Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:47 pm

Thanks Cambridge!!!!! :)

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby SpiritofFire » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:17 pm

Urg... First time taking a PT after reading LSAT trainer for a week and a half. Broke my trend of 170+ with a 169... It's like I forgot how to read LSAT stimuli... I was so lost..

Better redo older tests before I waste the few unattempted PTs I have left >.<

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby dd235 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:33 pm

SpiritofFire wrote:Urg... First time taking a PT after reading LSAT trainer for a week and a half. Broke my trend of 170+ with a 169... It's like I forgot how to read LSAT stimuli... I was so lost..

Better redo older tests before I waste the few unattempted PTs I have left >.<


Don’t sweat it man! Breaking a streak of 170+ with a 169 is nothing to worry about. More psychological than anything.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby dasani13 » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:01 pm

We're gonna start reviewing PT 54 in 30 minutes. Would anyone else like to join?

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Jack Reagan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:11 pm

mornincounselor wrote:Hey guys. With all the speaking of circular games my mind went to another weird game I saw a bit ago involving words and the addition/subtraction/modification of a single letter at a time.

It was PT 10 Game 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNBSsNSRr3w) Have any other games appeared like this one?


That one was unique, probably not worth worrying about too much.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby BillPackets » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:18 pm

mornincounselor wrote:Hey guys. With all the speaking of circular games my mind went to another weird game I saw a bit ago involving words and the addition/subtraction/modification of a single letter at a time.

It was PT 10 Game 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNBSsNSRr3w) Have any other games appeared like this one?


Yeah I've noticed that most of the games in the miscellaneous section for Cambridge LG are kind of poo poo'ed by JY. Typically he says something like "this is a really weird game and not very relevant to the modern LSAT."

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Jack Reagan » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:29 pm

dasani13 wrote:We're gonna start reviewing PT 54 in 30 minutes. Would anyone else like to join?


I'm in!

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Jack Reagan » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:53 am

dasani13 wrote:We're gonna start reviewing PT 54 in 30 minutes. Would anyone else like to join?


Great review session tonight guys!

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Reboot_the_Robot » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:55 am

iiibbystar wrote:
Hi!

One circular game I can think of is in PT JUNE 1991, GAME 1. And, I think there's another one in PT 41 (I could be wrong). But, I hope that helps!


rebexness wrote:Circular type games:

PT 4, Game 4
Pt 6, game 3
PT 6, game 4
PT 9, game 4
PT 15, game 2
PT 18, game 3


Cambridge LSAT wrote:Yes, game 4 of PT 41 features a circular picnic table. Additionally, game 3 of SuperPrep B (LinkRemoved) has couples seated around a circular table.


Thanks everyone! Unfortunately I only have SuperPrep B, but I'll do some googling to see if I can find a few sample circular games for my weekend drills.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby jk148706 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:32 am

Took PT 62 yesterday and man I forgot how tough that test is.

I first took it in July 2013. I felt OK during the test, definitely not great

RC: -4
LR1: -0
LG: -0
LR2: -1

Raw 98
Scaled 178

So, yeah, it was nice when I saw my score was 1$8, but legitimately I don't think that represents how I felt with the test. I really struggled during each section to get through all the questions and had a bunch circled that I didn't really understand. I'm going to review today. IG time.

Hoping I can really understand everything better once I go over this test.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby charlesriver » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:06 am

Survey: How long have you been studying LSAT?
what is your current score? score on fresh tests? score on used tests?

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby jk148706 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:13 am

charlesriver wrote:Survey: How long have you been studying LSAT?
what is your current score? score on fresh tests? score on used tests?


How long have you been studying LSAT?
-- 21 months on and off

What is your current score?
-- averaging 175, hoping for 172+ on test day

Getting similar scores in fresh and old tests

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby charlesriver » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:01 pm

jk148706 wrote:
charlesriver wrote:Survey: How long have you been studying LSAT?
what is your current score? score on fresh tests? score on used tests?


How long have you been studying LSAT?
-- 21 months on and off

What is your current score?
-- averaging 175, hoping for 172+ on test day

Getting similar scores in fresh and old tests


How long have you been studying LSAT?
-- 13 months on and off

What is your current score?
-- 161-179

Getting much higher score on used tests for sure. 171-179
on fresh ones: 161-173
I think I am probably in the 165-170 range.




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