June 2014 Retakers

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby FlyingNorth » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:46 pm

jk148706 wrote:Thinking PT today. Been drilling so far, but I think I might hit one PT a week so as to monitor progress, see where my weaknesses are etc


How many packets have you completed?

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby jk148706 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:04 pm

FlyingNorth wrote:
jk148706 wrote:Thinking PT today. Been drilling so far, but I think I might hit one PT a week so as to monitor progress, see where my weaknesses are etc


How many packets have you completed?


All of MBT and NA. Also have done some point and games.
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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Learn_Live_Hope » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:11 pm

rebexness wrote:There is a school of thought that you don't want to wait until the last part of studying to introduce the newer PTs, as the style has definitely changed over the years. Personally I am doing late 40s, 60s, then 50s.

I did misread the general premise of your first comment, however :)


Hm...I guess, but I don't necessarily agree with it. If you take latest PT's first, and then drill etc., how are older tests able to asses where you are as you get closer to the test administration If such material will not be presented at official test. It seems like a false assessment.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby jk148706 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:18 pm

Just wrapped up PT59.

I HAVE seen this test before, but it was last September. Still, I might have benefitted from seeing the test previously (though I don't specifically remember the questions; in fact games and RC looked brand new to me).

Also, I took this PT as only four sections. I did not include an experimental section.

Needless to say, I don't particularly find this performance representative of my ability.

That said here's my breakdown.

LG: -1
LR1: -0
LR2: -1
RC: -2

179.

I lol'd when I saw the score, bc it simply reaffirms my belief that I should NOT be looking at PT score as the best indicator of how I will perform on test day. I got lucky going -2 on RC and -1 combined on LR. I blind reviewed and stuck with all the answers I had bc I thought they were the BEST answers, but I certainly wasn't more than, say 75% sure on many of them.

Anyway, I think I will stick to doing maybe one PT a week for the next few weeks, while primarily focusing on drilling.

Anyone else making progress today?

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby Aristocat » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:19 pm

Good luck everyone! Checking in here

Failed hardcore in Feb (2013) and got a 155. I've been studying since December and I'm PT'ing (11 and counting so far) in the 162-165 range, although I would like to hit a 170+ to be a lock more or less at HLS.

Using/have used:
Manhattan RC/LR
Powerscore LG/LR
Cambridge complete LG (tests 1-70)
7-sage game reviews
PT's (one per week for now, simulating testing conditions)

We can do it!!

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby rebexness » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:34 pm

Learn_Live_Hope wrote:
rebexness wrote:There is a school of thought that you don't want to wait until the last part of studying to introduce the newer PTs, as the style has definitely changed over the years. Personally I am doing late 40s, 60s, then 50s.

I did misread the general premise of your first comment, however :)


Hm...I guess, but I don't necessarily agree with it. If you take latest PT's first, and then drill etc., how are older tests able to asses where you are as you get closer to the test administration If such material will not be presented at official test. It seems like a false assessment.


Many of us are well into and/or past the drilling phase.

Specifically, by the time I hit 60s, I will be drilling only those weaknesses that come up during exam. This is why I do 40s-60s-50s.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby FlyingNorth » Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:53 pm

jk148706 wrote:Just wrapped up PT59.

I HAVE seen this test before, but it was last September. Still, I might have benefitted from seeing the test previously (though I don't specifically remember the questions; in fact games and RC looked brand new to me).

Also, I took this PT as only four sections. I did not include an experimental section.

Needless to say, I don't particularly find this performance representative of my ability.

That said here's my breakdown.

LG: -1
LR1: -0
LR2: -1
RC: -2

179.

I lol'd when I saw the score, bc it simply reaffirms my belief that I should NOT be looking at PT score as the best indicator of how I will perform on test day. I got lucky going -2 on RC and -1 combined on LR. I blind reviewed and stuck with all the answers I had bc I thought they were the BEST answers, but I certainly wasn't more than, say 75% sure on many of them.

Anyway, I think I will stick to doing maybe one PT a week for the next few weeks, while primarily focusing on drilling.

Anyone else making progress today?


Nice job. Yeah reusing PT's is always a tough indicator of improvement, nonetheless that's a solid score.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby ZGr88n » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:20 am

jk148706 wrote:Just wrapped up PT59.

I HAVE seen this test before, but it was last September. Still, I might have benefitted from seeing the test previously (though I don't specifically remember the questions; in fact games and RC looked brand new to me).

Also, I took this PT as only four sections. I did not include an experimental section.

Needless to say, I don't particularly find this performance representative of my ability.

That said here's my breakdown.

LG: -1
LR1: -0
LR2: -1
RC: -2

179.

I lol'd when I saw the score, bc it simply reaffirms my belief that I should NOT be looking at PT score as the best indicator of how I will perform on test day. I got lucky going -2 on RC and -1 combined on LR. I blind reviewed and stuck with all the answers I had bc I thought they were the BEST answers, but I certainly wasn't more than, say 75% sure on many of them.

Anyway, I think I will stick to doing maybe one PT a week for the next few weeks, while primarily focusing on drilling.

Anyone else making progress today?


Solid score even for a retake. Congrats, and keep killing it.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby FlyingNorth » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:25 am

Anyone spending their Friday drilling? Because I sure as shit am

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby rebexness » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:30 am

FlyingNorth wrote:Anyone spending their Friday drilling? Because I sure as shit am


RC drilling.

/wrists.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby jk148706 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:35 am

rebexness wrote:
FlyingNorth wrote:Anyone spending their Friday drilling? Because I sure as shit am


RC drilling.

/wrists.


How do u all go about drilling / reviewing RC??

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby rebexness » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:38 am

jk148706 wrote:
How do u all go about drilling / reviewing RC??


I either do full timed sections, or just multiple passages of one subject.
Some people swear by doing a stupidly high number of passages in a row to improve stamina.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby loomstate » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:45 am

been doing 3 RC sections a week and reviewing the days in between. noticed improvement, I also feel much more comfortable

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby ZGr88n » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:54 am

FlyingNorth wrote:Anyone spending their Friday drilling? Because I sure as shit am


Sadly I'm not, but I just got back from an ASD, so I'm pretty tuckered out.

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Re: June 2014 Retakerso

Postby jk148706 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:55 am

ZGr88n wrote:
FlyingNorth wrote:Anyone spending their Friday drilling? Because I sure as shit am


Sadly I'm not, but I just got back from an ASD, so I'm pretty tuckered out.


So u are retaking to maximize scholly $? Or are u sitting out a cycle? I'm interested in what June retakers are doing.

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Re: June 2014 Retakerso

Postby ZGr88n » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:17 am

jk148706 wrote:
ZGr88n wrote:
FlyingNorth wrote:Anyone spending their Friday drilling? Because I sure as shit am


Sadly I'm not, but I just got back from an ASD, so I'm pretty tuckered out.


So u are retaking to maximize scholly $? Or are u sitting out a cycle? I'm interested in what June retakers are doing.


I'm continuing this app cycle just like a normal (non-retaker) would. I'm just considering taking the June test to make sure that I don't leave anything on the table pretty much. At this point everything is still an option. For instance, if I get some really great offer that I can't refuse, I would likely quit planning on testing again in June. Otherwise, I'm going to retake in June and weigh my options based on my score (try to get off a waitlist with $, sit out a year, or just go to whatever school I decide to deposit at are all options). I just feel like there isn't anything that I could lose by retaking (except time).

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby FlyingNorth » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:15 am

I applied to a few schools this cycle but I'm planning on retaking June for next cycle.

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Re: June 2014 Retakerso

Postby jk148706 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:23 am

ZGr88n wrote:
jk148706 wrote:
ZGr88n wrote:
FlyingNorth wrote:Anyone spending their Friday drilling? Because I sure as shit am


Sadly I'm not, but I just got back from an ASD, so I'm pretty tuckered out.


So u are retaking to maximize scholly $? Or are u sitting out a cycle? I'm interested in what June retakers are doing.


I'm continuing this app cycle just like a normal (non-retaker) would. I'm just considering taking the June test to make sure that I don't leave anything on the table pretty much. At this point everything is still an option. For instance, if I get some really great offer that I can't refuse, I would likely quit planning on testing again in June. Otherwise, I'm going to retake in June and weigh my options based on my score (try to get off a waitlist with $, sit out a year, or just go to whatever school I decide to deposit at are all options). I just feel like there isn't anything that I could lose by retaking (except time).

I'm taking a similar route. I figure there is nothing to lose by taking one more time.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby jk148706 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:24 am

Day off today. What's everyone else doing to study this weekend?

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby ZGr88n » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:37 pm

jk148706 wrote:Day off today. What's everyone else doing to study this weekend?


I am probably going to pound through 4 chapters of the trainer and drill.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby FlyingNorth » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:39 pm

Drilling all day again.

NA/SA and Unbalanced Grouping Games

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby ZGr88n » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:08 pm

Just finished reviewing PT 53 and I don’t know what to think of the difference in my scores (what I bubbled vs. after the initial blind review stage).
Here’s a breakdown:
Actual Test:
Sect I (LR): -6 (19)
Sect II (LG): -3 (20)
Sect III (LR): -3 (22)
Sect IV (RC): -6 (21)
Overall: -18 (82)= 164

BR:
Sect I (LR): -0 (25)
Sect II (LG): -0 (23)
Sect III (LR): -1 (24)
Sect IV (RC): -2 (25)
Overall: -3 (97)= 179

Every question that I missed I had marked (for blind review) except for one RC question. This was the first test that I’ve taken since I tested in Oct. There was a few days in between my initial test and the BR stage. However, I just feel like that is a huge discrepancy between the two scores. Is anybody having similar experiences? Just about every one of the questions that I missed/had marked for BR (especially those non-RC) were easily fixed during BR, almost like they were silly senseless mistakes. Any thoughts on this? Also, this was my first time blind-reviewing, and I must say I like it.

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby rebexness » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:19 pm

Are you doing actual blind review or are you correcting answers that you got wrong?

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Re: June 2014 Retakers

Postby ZGr88n » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:28 pm

rebexness wrote:Are you doing actual blind review or are you correcting answers that you got wrong?


I went through the ones I had circled (as in unsure or caught between two answers) and changed the majority of them, as stated above a lot seemed rather obvious whenever I read over them the second time during BR. Well if I screwed up BR then I guess that would explain the difference.




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