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WorldsCollide wrote:Thank you everyone. I truly appreciate it. I've been told more or less the same thing in June and I decided to postpone. But I don't think I want to postpone this time. I know it's stupid but I'm sick of pushing these tests back with promises to myself that it will get better. Yes, this means that whatever I get this time or in December HYS are out. But hopefully with my GPA and military background and with a new score in December, I'll have a chance at money at the bottom T-14.

vracovino wrote:Sup guys,

So today I sat for PT 64, and by the time I reached section 3, I was about ready to call it quits. The LG section just felt so awful. The third game was absolutely brutal for me. Anyway I was freaking out so I decided to check my answers before continuing, and to my surprise I only missed a combined -4 for both LR, and -5 on the games. So I was sitting at a -9. Not too bad! Anyway I kept going and somehow squeaked a -3 on RC- which was the fifth section which usually gives me trouble.

My first 170+! I got a 171.

Funny how what felt like disaster was my best test yet- I'm gonna have to keep this in mind on test day. On a related note- should I even take another test? Id like to go into the test Saturday feeling confident.

BJS wrote:

WorldsCollide wrote:Thank you everyone. I truly appreciate it. I've been told more or less the same thing in June and I decided to postpone. But I don't think I want to postpone this time. I know it's stupid but I'm sick of pushing these tests back with promises to myself that it will get better. Yes, this means that whatever I get this time or in December HYS are out. But hopefully with my GPA and military background and with a new score in December, I'll have a chance at money at the bottom T-14.

You have to make a commitment to make the rational choice here regardless your feelings.

Your PT median is well below your target score. You are unlikely to achieve above your PT median on test day. Your PT max is below your target score. The LSAT is the single greatest determinant of admissions success. You only have three opportunities (in a two-year timeframe) to take the LSAT. While 99% of schools don't particularly care about a lower PT score, a lower PT score will never help you. Going to a better school results in significantly better employment probabilities, including significantly higher salaries. Going to a worse score results in significantly worse employment probabilities, including a good chance of never becoming a practicing lawyer.

These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed. That's right. The story I just told you is the exact same story you're going to hear from billpackets, and it's the exact same story you're going to hear from Colonel Fuckaduck. Now, the admissions dean of some TTTT is gonna try to pull off a little magic act, he's gonna try a little misdirection. He's going to astonish you with anecdotes and wow you with official sounding terms like School of Law. He'll have no evidence, mind you, none. But it's gonna be entertaining. When we get to the end, all the magic in the world will not have been able to divert your attention from the fact that taking the LSAT when you are unready - as defined by your own PTs - is an unwise action. These are the facts of the case.

ETA: Sorry, my inner Kevin Bacon took over. While those are the facts, the good thing is that the LSAT is very learnable and beatable. We (and the people in the Dec thread) can give you the advice and tools to beat it (at least to get your score to 169).

schmelling wrote:

WorldsCollide wrote:Yeah of course I won't get accepted to T14s with those scores. I have no doubt.

I honestly honestly understand where you're coming from. I just think my situation is different than the majority of you all. I'm not planning on taking a gap year. I'm applying this year. So the three chances in two years isn't relevant for me. December is my last chance period.

I've gone through my previous mistakes for LR and read test explanations.now I've been solving LGs and timing each game.

Apologies in advance for abrasive language:

Everyone's situation is different, but regardless if you can't get your score up to the upper 160s, regardless of GPA, the t-14 is more than likely out. I think you may be overestimating the boost you will get from the IDF service. Some schools may love it, others may be politically offended by it. I doubt any will value it near as much as service in the US armed forces. It seems strange to me that you are more comfortable facing the uncertainty of the legal job market without a t-14 degree than you are with facing the uncertainty of a year or even 2 years gap between UG and Law school.

Jgoods wrote:I hate you all... I really don't Wana postpone but I feel like it might be the thing to do :/

BJS wrote:

WorldsCollide wrote:Thank you everyone. I truly appreciate it. I've been told more or less the same thing in June and I decided to postpone. But I don't think I want to postpone this time. I know it's stupid but I'm sick of pushing these tests back with promises to myself that it will get better. Yes, this means that whatever I get this time or in December HYS are out. But hopefully with my GPA and military background and with a new score in December, I'll have a chance at money at the bottom T-14.

Guess I got some thinking to do
You have to make a commitment to make the rational choice here regardless your feelings.

Your PT median is well below your target score. You are unlikely to achieve above your PT median on test day. Your PT max is below your target score. The LSAT is the single greatest determinant of admissions success. You only have three opportunities (in a two-year timeframe) to take the LSAT. While 99% of schools don't particularly care about a lower PT score, a lower PT score will never help you. Going to a better school results in significantly better employment probabilities, including significantly higher salaries. Going to a worse score results in significantly worse employment probabilities, including a good chance of never becoming a practicing lawyer.

These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed. That's right. The story I just told you is the exact same story you're going to hear from billpackets, and it's the exact same story you're going to hear from Colonel Fuckaduck. Now, the admissions dean of some TTTT is gonna try to pull off a little magic act, he's gonna try a little misdirection. He's going to astonish you with anecdotes and wow you with official sounding terms like School of Law. He'll have no evidence, mind you, none. But it's gonna be entertaining. When we get to the end, all the magic in the world will not have been able to divert your attention from the fact that taking the LSAT when you are unready - as defined by your own PTs - is an unwise action. These are the facts of the case.

ETA: Sorry, my inner Kevin Bacon took over. While those are the facts, the good thing is that the LSAT is very learnable and beatable. We (and the people in the Dec thread) can give you the advice and tools to beat it (at least to get your score to 169).

WorldsCollide wrote:I will not go to a TTT.

I understand what you are saying about a low LSAT score but you still haven't said anything about the prospects or a retaker.

And I took three years off before UG to do military. Taking a year off after UG sounds like torture.

NotASpecialSnowflake wrote:Any advice if your scores have been dropping this past month? I just feel nervous for the first time and I'm freaked out.

WorldsCollide wrote:Yeah of course I won't get accepted to T14s with those scores. I have no doubt.

I honestly honestly understand where you're coming from. I just think my situation is different than the majority of you all. I'm not planning on taking a gap year. I'm applying this year. So the three chances in two years isn't relevant for me. December is my last chance period.

I've gone through my previous mistakes for LR and read test explanations.now I've been solving LGs and timing each game.

NotASpecialSnowflake wrote:Any advice if your scores have been dropping this past month? I just feel nervous for the first time and I'm freaked out.

sfoglia wrote:Where were we on PT 70's difficulty? I was super distracted the last two sections and it definitely showed (-8).

There's like zero curve so I'm guessing it's easy.

How did I go -4 on LG? Like, LR, okay, I got -3 wrong on the last two pages because I was short for time, but, there was no reason for me to do that poorly on basic linear and grouping games.

Anyone else notice a decline in their LG scores and have any advice? (Yesterday's LG performance also left something to be desired.)

schmelling wrote:

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:Schmelly what's poppin

Mostly nothing today so I have to hit a few games later. Starting to feel good about next week, but I do kinda wish I could just take this test tomorrow and be done with it. How about you?

WorldsCollide wrote:Yeah of course I won't get accepted to T14s with those scores. I have no doubt.

I honestly honestly understand where you're coming from. I just think my situation is different than the majority of you all. I'm not planning on taking a gap year. I'm applying this year. So the three chances in two years isn't relevant for me. December is my last chance period.

I've gone through my previous mistakes for LR and read test explanations.now I've been solving LGs and timing each game.

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:Anecdote alert:

I just want to say I was committed to not taking a gap year in 2011 and was gonna accept a full ride at a local t2 (that has since fallen into TTT) and im really grateful looking back that I took the time to make the smart decision