The Official September 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:40 pm

BillPackets wrote:
WorldsCollide wrote:But even postponing with the hopes of doing better in December is a conjecture. I don't intend to leave it at my September score.

Listen 2 me WC cancel withdraw from the test this Saturday you get 3 chances in 2 years to take the LSAT saying you know you're going to retake (that yore PLANNING) on retaking is wasting 1 chance you have so basically 4 you u now have 2 chances in 2 years to get the score you want that's not a strategic move

How much of you been drilling? What do you drill?


Fixed dat

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby WorldsCollide » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:41 pm

Yeah of course I won't get accepted to T14s with those scores. I have no doubt.

I honestly honestly understand where you're coming from. I just think my situation is different than the majority of you all. I'm not planning on taking a gap year. I'm applying this year. So the three chances in two years isn't relevant for me. December is my last chance period.

I've gone through my previous mistakes for LR and read test explanations.now I've been solving LGs and timing each game.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:49 pm

WorldsCollide wrote:Thank you everyone. I truly appreciate it. I've been told more or less the same thing in June and I decided to postpone. But I don't think I want to postpone this time. I know it's stupid but I'm sick of pushing these tests back with promises to myself that it will get better. Yes, this means that whatever I get this time or in December HYS are out. But hopefully with my GPA and military background and with a new score in December, I'll have a chance at money at the bottom T-14.


You have to make a commitment to make the rational choice here regardless your feelings.

Your PT median is well below your target score. You are unlikely to achieve above your PT median on test day. Your PT max is below your target score. The LSAT is the single greatest determinant of admissions success. You only have three opportunities (in a two-year timeframe) to take the LSAT. While 99% of schools don't particularly care about a lower PT score, a lower PT score will never help you. Going to a better school results in significantly better employment probabilities, including significantly higher salaries. Going to a worse score results in significantly worse employment probabilities, including a good chance of never becoming a practicing lawyer.

These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed. That's right. The story I just told you is the exact same story you're going to hear from billpackets, and it's the exact same story you're going to hear from Colonel Fuckaduck. Now, the admissions dean of some TTTT is gonna try to pull off a little magic act, he's gonna try a little misdirection. He's going to astonish you with anecdotes and wow you with official sounding terms like School of Law. He'll have no evidence, mind you, none. But it's gonna be entertaining. When we get to the end, all the magic in the world will not have been able to divert your attention from the fact that taking the LSAT when you are unready - as defined by your own PTs - is an unwise action. These are the facts of the case.

ETA: Sorry, my inner Kevin Bacon took over. While those are the facts, the good thing is that the LSAT is very learnable and beatable. We (and the people in the Dec thread) can give you the advice and tools to beat it (at least to get your score to 169).

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby vracovino » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:52 pm

Sup guys,

So today I sat for PT 64, and by the time I reached section 3, I was about ready to call it quits. The LG section just felt so awful. The third game was absolutely brutal for me. Anyway I was freaking out so I decided to check my answers before continuing, and to my surprise I only missed a combined -4 for both LR, and -5 on the games. So I was sitting at a -9. Not too bad! Anyway I kept going and somehow squeaked a -3 on RC- which was the fifth section which usually gives me trouble.

My first 170+! I got a 171.

Funny how what felt like disaster was my best test yet- I'm gonna have to keep this in mind on test day. On a related note- should I even take another test? Id like to go into the test Saturday feeling confident.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:54 pm

Anecdote alert:

I just want to say I was committed to not taking a gap year in 2011 and was gonna accept a full ride at a local t2 (that has since fallen into TTT) and im really grateful looking back that I took the time to make the smart decision

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:57 pm

vracovino wrote:Sup guys,

So today I sat for PT 64, and by the time I reached section 3, I was about ready to call it quits. The LG section just felt so awful. The third game was absolutely brutal for me. Anyway I was freaking out so I decided to check my answers before continuing, and to my surprise I only missed a combined -4 for both LR, and -5 on the games. So I was sitting at a -9. Not too bad! Anyway I kept going and somehow squeaked a -3 on RC- which was the fifth section which usually gives me trouble.

My first 170+! I got a 171.

Funny how what felt like disaster was my best test yet- I'm gonna have to keep this in mind on test day. On a related note- should I even take another test? Id like to go into the test Saturday feeling confident.


That's awesome V. I think you would be safe not to take a pt as long as you maintained drilling throughout the week

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby WorldsCollide » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:57 pm

BJS wrote:
WorldsCollide wrote:Thank you everyone. I truly appreciate it. I've been told more or less the same thing in June and I decided to postpone. But I don't think I want to postpone this time. I know it's stupid but I'm sick of pushing these tests back with promises to myself that it will get better. Yes, this means that whatever I get this time or in December HYS are out. But hopefully with my GPA and military background and with a new score in December, I'll have a chance at money at the bottom T-14.


You have to make a commitment to make the rational choice here regardless your feelings.

Your PT median is well below your target score. You are unlikely to achieve above your PT median on test day. Your PT max is below your target score. The LSAT is the single greatest determinant of admissions success. You only have three opportunities (in a two-year timeframe) to take the LSAT. While 99% of schools don't particularly care about a lower PT score, a lower PT score will never help you. Going to a better school results in significantly better employment probabilities, including significantly higher salaries. Going to a worse score results in significantly worse employment probabilities, including a good chance of never becoming a practicing lawyer.

These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed. That's right. The story I just told you is the exact same story you're going to hear from billpackets, and it's the exact same story you're going to hear from Colonel Fuckaduck. Now, the admissions dean of some TTTT is gonna try to pull off a little magic act, he's gonna try a little misdirection. He's going to astonish you with anecdotes and wow you with official sounding terms like School of Law. He'll have no evidence, mind you, none. But it's gonna be entertaining. When we get to the end, all the magic in the world will not have been able to divert your attention from the fact that taking the LSAT when you are unready - as defined by your own PTs - is an unwise action. These are the facts of the case.

ETA: Sorry, my inner Kevin Bacon took over. While those are the facts, the good thing is that the LSAT is very learnable and beatable. We (and the people in the Dec thread) can give you the advice and tools to beat it (at least to get your score to 169).


Again, no need to apologize.

I will not go to a TTT.

I understand what you are saying about a low LSAT score but you still haven't said anything about the prospects or a retaker.

And I took three years off before UG to do military. Taking a year off after UG sounds like torture.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby WorldsCollide » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:01 pm

schmelling wrote:
WorldsCollide wrote:Yeah of course I won't get accepted to T14s with those scores. I have no doubt.

I honestly honestly understand where you're coming from. I just think my situation is different than the majority of you all. I'm not planning on taking a gap year. I'm applying this year. So the three chances in two years isn't relevant for me. December is my last chance period.

I've gone through my previous mistakes for LR and read test explanations.now I've been solving LGs and timing each game.


Apologies in advance for abrasive language:

Everyone's situation is different, but regardless if you can't get your score up to the upper 160s, regardless of GPA, the t-14 is more than likely out. I think you may be overestimating the boost you will get from the IDF service. Some schools may love it, others may be politically offended by it. I doubt any will value it near as much as service in the US armed forces. It seems strange to me that you are more comfortable facing the uncertainty of the legal job market without a t-14 degree than you are with facing the uncertainty of a year or even 2 years gap between UG and Law school.


Not overestimating. I realize that people aren't crazy about the IDF (understatement of the century... Liberal committees in Law Schools will even hate it).

I'm focusing on the retake as my cushion. Nothing else.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:01 pm

Schmelly what's poppin

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Smallville » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:02 pm

Jgoods wrote:I hate you all... I really don't Wana postpone but I feel like it might be the thing to do :/

Semi serious btw, yall are awesome and moving would feel wrong and not the same...
BJS wrote:
WorldsCollide wrote:Thank you everyone. I truly appreciate it. I've been told more or less the same thing in June and I decided to postpone. But I don't think I want to postpone this time. I know it's stupid but I'm sick of pushing these tests back with promises to myself that it will get better. Yes, this means that whatever I get this time or in December HYS are out. But hopefully with my GPA and military background and with a new score in December, I'll have a chance at money at the bottom T-14.

Guess I got some thinking to do
You have to make a commitment to make the rational choice here regardless your feelings.

Your PT median is well below your target score. You are unlikely to achieve above your PT median on test day. Your PT max is below your target score. The LSAT is the single greatest determinant of admissions success. You only have three opportunities (in a two-year timeframe) to take the LSAT. While 99% of schools don't particularly care about a lower PT score, a lower PT score will never help you. Going to a better school results in significantly better employment probabilities, including significantly higher salaries. Going to a worse score results in significantly worse employment probabilities, including a good chance of never becoming a practicing lawyer.

These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed. That's right. The story I just told you is the exact same story you're going to hear from billpackets, and it's the exact same story you're going to hear from Colonel Fuckaduck. Now, the admissions dean of some TTTT is gonna try to pull off a little magic act, he's gonna try a little misdirection. He's going to astonish you with anecdotes and wow you with official sounding terms like School of Law. He'll have no evidence, mind you, none. But it's gonna be entertaining. When we get to the end, all the magic in the world will not have been able to divert your attention from the fact that taking the LSAT when you are unready - as defined by your own PTs - is an unwise action. These are the facts of the case.

ETA: Sorry, my inner Kevin Bacon took over. While those are the facts, the good thing is that the LSAT is very learnable and beatable. We (and the people in the Dec thread) can give you the advice and tools to beat it (at least to get your score to 169).

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Smallville » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:04 pm

Totally messed up that 2nd quoting but I guess I got some thinking to do was supposed to be after it

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:08 pm

WorldsCollide wrote:I will not go to a TTT.

I understand what you are saying about a low LSAT score but you still haven't said anything about the prospects or a retaker.

And I took three years off before UG to do military. Taking a year off after UG sounds like torture.


It's true: retakers generally improve their score. But that has nothing to do with your decision to take this September. If you hit a 169 this week, it would be such an extreme outlier from every known fact you've given us that you should spend all your future tuition money on lottery tickets. A jump to 169 is an increase in 16% from your best PT. Expert wisdom (ie from Spivey) is to not take if you can postpone and get at least +1 on the postponement.

I understand how much it sucks to have time away from your career goals. I turned down four 50-100% scholarships in the first tier (including a 75% scholarship in the T20) because the overwhelming glut of evidence showed that to be the rational course. It sucks to not be in law school right now. It sucks to be in this job. But I know it was the rational decision.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:08 pm

This is a GT call out haven't seen you in the thread in a minute

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby NotASpecialSnowflake » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:09 pm

Any advice if your scores have been dropping this past month? I just feel nervous for the first time and I'm freaked out.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:11 pm

NotASpecialSnowflake wrote:Any advice if your scores have been dropping this past month? I just feel nervous for the first time and I'm freaked out.


Have you been taking more recent PTs recently? I think TCR is that the more recent PTs are more difficult.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby accessislife » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:13 pm

WorldsCollide wrote:Yeah of course I won't get accepted to T14s with those scores. I have no doubt.

I honestly honestly understand where you're coming from. I just think my situation is different than the majority of you all. I'm not planning on taking a gap year. I'm applying this year. So the three chances in two years isn't relevant for me. December is my last chance period.

I've gone through my previous mistakes for LR and read test explanations.now I've been solving LGs and timing each game.


WC I think I saw you've only taken 3 full PTs recently - whats the reason behind that? have you broken the others up?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby accessislife » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:14 pm

NotASpecialSnowflake wrote:Any advice if your scores have been dropping this past month? I just feel nervous for the first time and I'm freaked out.


are you notices patterns in your wrong answers? all the same question type etc? drill on those hard f'sho

and yeah, the newer ones are harder than the older ones so there's bound to be drop offs in pts - i'd say anywhere from 3-5 pts

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby sfoglia » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:23 pm

Where were we on PT 70's difficulty? I was super distracted the last two sections and it definitely showed (-8). :( :( :(

There's like zero curve so I'm guessing it's easy.

How did I go -4 on LG? Like, LR, okay, I got -3 wrong on the last two pages because I was short for time, but, there was no reason for me to do that poorly on basic linear and grouping games.

Anyone else notice a decline in their LG scores and have any advice? (Yesterday's LG performance also left something to be desired.)

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:38 pm

sfoglia wrote:Where were we on PT 70's difficulty? I was super distracted the last two sections and it definitely showed (-8). :( :( :(

There's like zero curve so I'm guessing it's easy.

How did I go -4 on LG? Like, LR, okay, I got -3 wrong on the last two pages because I was short for time, but, there was no reason for me to do that poorly on basic linear and grouping games.

Anyone else notice a decline in their LG scores and have any advice? (Yesterday's LG performance also left something to be desired.)


Are you taking less time than normal thinking about the game after diagramming rules before jumping into questions. I find that's my issue when I perform less than desire on lg

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:40 pm

schmelling wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:Schmelly what's poppin



Mostly nothing today so I have to hit a few games later. Starting to feel good about next week, but I do kinda wish I could just take this test tomorrow and be done with it. How about you?



I know what you mean. I had some issues on my pt yestersay that make me nervous this clpse out but I think I was feelin a little anxious like I posted last night

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:41 pm

WorldsCollide wrote:Yeah of course I won't get accepted to T14s with those scores. I have no doubt.

I honestly honestly understand where you're coming from. I just think my situation is different than the majority of you all. I'm not planning on taking a gap year. I'm applying this year. So the three chances in two years isn't relevant for me. December is my last chance period.

I've gone through my previous mistakes for LR and read test explanations.now I've been solving LGs and timing each game.

You're situation might b diff than like the 7 regular poasters ITT, but your story isn't different at all most ppl don't have diff stories some do but even then it's like that's happened to other ppl and those ppl have also applied to law school
Why does taking a gap year sound like torture a gap year will literally only b beneficial 4 u (assuming you study)
TCR here is either take a gap year or get your score up to the high 160s and like BJS said every1 ITT and other prep threads will help you get there
For starters if u r srs about getting into the high 160s you should buy the Cambridge drilling packets and you should b drilling, reviewing, reviewing, reviewing, drilling

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:43 pm

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:Anecdote alert:

I just want to say I was committed to not taking a gap year in 2011 and was gonna accept a full ride at a local t2 (that has since fallen into TTT) and im really grateful looking back that I took the time to make the smart decision

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby ilikebaseball » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:43 pm

Fuck PT 70's RC man. that was fucking bullshit.




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