The Official September 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:27 am

I am feeling really stupid because I still don't understand the cop question. Why is B wrong? In A, Franklin is eligible and Penn is not - so the conclusion is reached. In B, Franklin satisfies the requirements of receiving the award and Penn did not - so the conclusion is also reached. At least, that's the way I read it. What am I doing wrong?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:28 am

BillPackets wrote:i feel like eyebrows are one of those things that can only hurt you


This couldn't be more off base

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:29 am

BJS wrote:I am feeling really stupid because I still don't understand the cop question. Why is B wrong? In A, Franklin is eligible and Penn is not - so the conclusion is reached. In B, Franklin satisfies the requirements of receiving the award and Penn did not - so the conclusion is also reached. At least, that's the way I read it. What am I doing wrong?


We're not the first to struggle with this one: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=185906

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:30 am

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
BillPackets wrote:i feel like eyebrows are one of those things that can only hurt you


This couldn't be more off base


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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:34 am

smccgrey wrote:
BJS wrote:I am feeling really stupid because I still don't understand the cop question. Why is B wrong? In A, Franklin is eligible and Penn is not - so the conclusion is reached. In B, Franklin satisfies the requirements of receiving the award and Penn did not - so the conclusion is also reached. At least, that's the way I read it. What am I doing wrong?


We're not the first to struggle with this one: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=185906


Their discussions helps. At least, I understand why A is the (most?) correct answer and why I should've chosen it irrespective my feelings toward B. I still feel really ambivalent about the question though.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby GreenTee » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:35 am

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:35 am

smccgrey wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
BillPackets wrote:i feel like eyebrows are one of those things that can only hurt you


This couldn't be more off base


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ok i mean i don't look at her and think "wow those eyebrows are just on point." they just fit into her overall aesthetic. her eyebrows just fit with her look. maybe i'm terribly off base about this eyebrow thing.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:36 am

BJS wrote:
smccgrey wrote:
BJS wrote:I am feeling really stupid because I still don't understand the cop question. Why is B wrong? In A, Franklin is eligible and Penn is not - so the conclusion is reached. In B, Franklin satisfies the requirements of receiving the award and Penn did not - so the conclusion is also reached. At least, that's the way I read it. What am I doing wrong?


We're not the first to struggle with this one: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 6&t=185906


Their discussions helps. At least, I understand why A is the (most?) correct answer and why I should've chosen it irrespective my feelings toward B. I still feel really ambivalent about the question though.


Yeah, I agree... I think I get it now, but this question was definitely not easy.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:37 am

GreenTee wrote:Looks like everybody had fun with the picwhore brow-off. Sad I missed it.

Posting PT scores and breakdowns from this weekend:

Sat - PT64
LR -2/-3
LG -2
RC -3
Scaled: 173

Sun - PT65
LR (Exp. from PT39) -3
LR -2/-1
LG -3
RC -7 :shock:
Scaled: 171

I'm pretty happy with the scores. I had been drilling RC and LR pretty hardcore this past week though, so I'm shocked at how messy those sections were. I usually go -0 on at least one LR section per PT, so I'm not sure what's going on exactly. Time to drill, drill, and drill some more, I guess!

My RC has always been inconsistent (at best), but I was hoping to see more of an improvement from last week's drilling. I felt pretty fatigued during that -7 section, and I just couldn't focus. Was short on time for the last passage (~7 mins), which happened to be some dense science-y nonsense about thistles. Needless to say: Amtrak cerca 1993.


Which passage did you struggle w the most in terms of wrong answers on pt65? I messed the comparative passage up the most, and in blind review got them all right. I hate when I make dumb mistakes like that on PTs

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:38 am

smccgrey wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
BillPackets wrote:i feel like eyebrows are one of those things that can only hurt you


This couldn't be more off base


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Well played

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby GreenTee » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:43 am

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
Which passage did you struggle w the most in terms of wrong answers on pt65? I messed the comparative passage up the most, and in blind review got them all right. I hate when I make dumb mistakes like that on PTs


Here's the thing: I absolutely loved that comparative passage about blackmail. (I'm such a law dork.) I think genuine interest in the subject matter can actually hurt you sometimes. I spent way too long on those, and had almost no time for Passage 4 about soil nutrients and microorganisms (which was so boring that it made me want to tear my eyes out). It also had 8 questions, most of which I got wrong.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:46 am

GreenTee wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
Which passage did you struggle w the most in terms of wrong answers on pt65? I messed the comparative passage up the most, and in blind review got them all right. I hate when I make dumb mistakes like that on PTs


Here's the thing: I absolutely loved that comparative passage about blackmail. (I'm such a law dork.) I think genuine interest in the subject matter can actually hurt you sometimes. I spent way too long on those, and had almost no time for Passage 4 about soil nutrient and microorganisms (which was so boring that it made me want to tear my eyes out). It also had 8 questions, most of which I got wrong.


Dat curve tho - were 64 and 65 -13 and a -14???

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:54 am

smccgrey wrote:
GreenTee wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
Which passage did you struggle w the most in terms of wrong answers on pt65? I messed the comparative passage up the most, and in blind review got them all right. I hate when I make dumb mistakes like that on PTs


Here's the thing: I absolutely loved that comparative passage about blackmail. (I'm such a law dork.) I think genuine interest in the subject matter can actually hurt you sometimes. I spent way too long on those, and had almost no time for Passage 4 about soil nutrient and microorganisms (which was so boring that it made me want to tear my eyes out). It also had 8 questions, most of which I got wrong.


Dat curve tho - were 64 and 65 -13 and a -14???


i like the tougher curves. even though it's a curve, i still feel like it takes some pressure off compared to the -8 curves of some ive seen.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:56 am

GreenTee wrote:
smccgrey wrote:Dat curve tho - were 64 and 65 -13 and a -14???


Thank the sweet Lord baby Jesus for those curves. (He was a pudgy young savior.)

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:57 am

BillPackets wrote:
smccgrey wrote:
GreenTee wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
Which passage did you struggle w the most in terms of wrong answers on pt65? I messed the comparative passage up the most, and in blind review got them all right. I hate when I make dumb mistakes like that on PTs


Here's the thing: I absolutely loved that comparative passage about blackmail. (I'm such a law dork.) I think genuine interest in the subject matter can actually hurt you sometimes. I spent way too long on those, and had almost no time for Passage 4 about soil nutrient and microorganisms (which was so boring that it made me want to tear my eyes out). It also had 8 questions, most of which I got wrong.


Dat curve tho - were 64 and 65 -13 and a -14???


i like the tougher curves. even though it's a curve, i still feel like it takes some pressure off compared to the -8 curves of some ive seen.


I hate easy curves. I seem to always make at least some careless errors, so a harder curve is more generous to those.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:22 pm

smccgrey wrote:
GreenTee wrote:
smccgrey wrote:Dat curve tho - were 64 and 65 -13 and a -14???


Thank the sweet Lord baby Jesus for those curves. (He was a pudgy young savior.)

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby GreenTee » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:35 pm

:oops: OK, this question is going to make me sound like a raving lunatic, but here goes:

I'm trying to decide whether I should be printing my PTs single sided or double sided. I find it slightly harder to coordinate page flipping on double sided paper, but single has its drawbacks too (e.g., referring back to RC passages). For anyone who has taken before: Is the real test double sided?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby ilikebaseball » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:44 pm

BillPackets wrote:
smccgrey wrote:
GreenTee wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
Which passage did you struggle w the most in terms of wrong answers on pt65? I messed the comparative passage up the most, and in blind review got them all right. I hate when I make dumb mistakes like that on PTs


Here's the thing: I absolutely loved that comparative passage about blackmail. (I'm such a law dork.) I think genuine interest in the subject matter can actually hurt you sometimes. I spent way too long on those, and had almost no time for Passage 4 about soil nutrient and microorganisms (which was so boring that it made me want to tear my eyes out). It also had 8 questions, most of which I got wrong.


Dat curve tho - were 64 and 65 -13 and a -14???


i like the tougher curves. even though it's a curve, i still feel like it takes some pressure off compared to the -8 curves of some ive seen.


Absolutely. When there is more leniency, that usually means there is a section that is more difficult. But with the LSAT, everyone has different strengths (most people being very bad at LG. Not the people on TLS, but the normal people who dont devote their life to it). If your strength are the games, and the curve is lenient because of a tricky game, you're in a fantastic position. The curve is lenient because of a hard section, but everyone has different strengths. If you catch lightning in a bottle, and the curve happens to be lenient because of a tricky section of your strength, you're golden.

I've seen -8 curves and -13 curves, and I honestly couldnt tell the difference sometimes.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:45 pm

GreenTee wrote::oops: OK, this question is going to make me sound like a raving lunatic, but here goes:

I'm trying to decide whether I should be printing my PTs single sided or double sided. I find it slightly harder to coordinate page flipping on double sided paper, but single has its drawbacks too (e.g., referring back to RC passages). For anyone who has taken before: Is the real test double sided?


if i print single sided i just keep the passage up instead of turning it over. i find double sided annoying for games bc 75% of the time i write the rules and draw my diagrams on the first page, and then i cant see them after that

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby ilikebaseball » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:51 pm

the test is single sided right? Why wouldnt you simulate that, even if its as minor as wasting more paper.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:52 pm

ilikebaseball wrote:But with the LSAT, everyone has different strengths (most people being very bad at LG. Not the people on TLS, but the normal people who dont devote their life to it).


In love with this right now. Lurking on TLS turned me into a LG-fanatic.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby ilikebaseball » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:56 pm

Also guys, I'm about to let you know of the absolute best way, and most affordable (at least for me, lol). I know I've said it before, but I went on Cambridge and ordered the "Most difficult" for all 3 sections. I've literally increased my score 7 points since I've been doing them.

I time myself 8 minutes for each hard passage and 10 minutes for each hard game. I started out at about 2 minutes for each LR and have worked my way down to 12 minutes for 8 questions.

After every game, I go to 7sage and see his diagram. After every passage/set of LR, I go to the manhattan forums. It has helped me SO much, and its so cheap to order those things. I've spent so much money on prep, but I can easily say that nothing has benefited me more than this. Only 40 days left guys. Order them today, and spend 2 weeks on them. Then start Pt'ing again. You'll see. When you do these difficult ones, they make the PT's look like freakin cake.

Literally like a 40 or 50 dollar investment. I dont work for Cambridge guys... this is completely unbiased haha

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby GreenTee » Mon Aug 25, 2014 3:23 pm

ilikebaseball wrote:Also guys, I'm about to let you know of the absolute best way, and most affordable (at least for me, lol). I know I've said it before, but I went on Cambridge and ordered the "Most difficult" for all 3 sections. I've literally increased my score 7 points since I've been doing them.

I time myself 8 minutes for each hard passage and 10 minutes for each hard game. I started out at about 2 minutes for each LR and have worked my way down to 12 minutes for 8 questions.

After every game, I go to 7sage and see his diagram. After every passage/set of LR, I go to the manhattan forums. It has helped me SO much, and its so cheap to order those things. I've spent so much money on prep, but I can easily say that nothing has benefited me more than this. Only 40 days left guys. Order them today, and spend 2 weeks on them. Then start Pt'ing again. You'll see. When you do these difficult ones, they make the PT's look like freakin cake.

Literally like a 40 or 50 dollar investment. I dont work for Cambridge guys... this is completely unbiased haha


Thanks for the rec. Can you post the links? I'm having trouble finding them.

Also, are these just a compilation of the level 4's from the regular packets?




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