The Official September 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:35 pm

kbrizz wrote:
Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
BillPackets wrote:
ilikebaseball wrote:Looking at the "guess the median" thread is uplifting... makes the goal target look a little more reachable


I was just thinking the same thing!


Second that.



Where is the thread? Can't find it :/


Right here: Guess the Medians Contest 2017

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby vracovino » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:40 pm

Spent the weekend attempting to review every inch of PT 47 and 48. I blind reveiwed both tests and improved my scores quite a bit going through them untimed. I focused a lot on the Logic Game inferences I screwed up.

Came back today and did PT 49. I totally messed up the bubbling of the first section and got -15 wrong. Assuming I graded as if I bubbled correctly, I still got -5. Next section was LR and I got a -7, an all time worst. Then -4 on RC. Then -3 on the last LR, which I believe I would have done better on but my copy of the Kaplan PT said there were 22 questions in the section and there were 25.

Assuming I bubbled correctly it was a 164, and i've been declining a point on every test since PT46.

Even though I realize its a bit dramatic I'm pretty traumatized by this and feel incompetent. I'm not getting better at the test right now, and I don't know why, and I'm beginning to wonder if I've reached my natural ceiling. I feel like quitting.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby HRomanus » Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:43 pm

vracovino wrote:Spent the weekend attempting to review every inch of PT 47 and 48. I blind reveiwed both tests and improved my scores quite a bit going through them untimed. I focused a lot on the Logic Game inferences I screwed up.

Came back today and did PT 49. I totally messed up the bubbling of the first section and got -15 wrong. Assuming I graded as if I bubbled correctly, I still got -5. Next section was LR and I got a -7, an all time worst. Then -4 on RC. Then -3 on the last LR, which I believe I would have done better on but my copy of the Kaplan PT said there were 22 questions in the section and there were 25.

Assuming I bubbled correctly it was a 164, and i've been declining a point on every test since PT46.

Even though I realize its a bit dramatic I'm pretty traumatized by this and feel incompetent. I'm not getting better at the test right now, and I don't know, and I'm beginning to wonder if I've reached my natural ceiling. I feel like quitting.


Quitting isn't going to do anything. Stop focusing on test-day conditions for a week or so and get back to the fundamentals. Do an untimed PT and truly take as much time as you need. That will reveal where your weaknesses are and boost your confidence.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby vracovino » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:00 pm

HRomanus wrote:
vracovino wrote:Spent the weekend attempting to review every inch of PT 47 and 48. I blind reveiwed both tests and improved my scores quite a bit going through them untimed. I focused a lot on the Logic Game inferences I screwed up.

Came back today and did PT 49. I totally messed up the bubbling of the first section and got -15 wrong. Assuming I graded as if I bubbled correctly, I still got -5. Next section was LR and I got a -7, an all time worst. Then -4 on RC. Then -3 on the last LR, which I believe I would have done better on but my copy of the Kaplan PT said there were 22 questions in the section and there were 25.

Assuming I bubbled correctly it was a 164, and i've been declining a point on every test since PT46.

Even though I realize its a bit dramatic I'm pretty traumatized by this and feel incompetent. I'm not getting better at the test right now, and I don't know, and I'm beginning to wonder if I've reached my natural ceiling. I feel like quitting.


Quitting isn't going to do anything. Stop focusing on test-day conditions for a week or so and get back to the fundamentals. Do an untimed PT and truly take as much time as you need. That will reveal where your weaknesses are and boost your confidence.


Yeah I realize I'm being a wimp and quitting isn't going to do anything. But its a discouraging feeling nonetheless, especially because its the timing issue that has really been killing me rather than my core fundamentals. In other words- my fundamentals fall apart under test conditions. I am truly unsure of whether taking an untimed PT will help me or not at this point, especially since timing is my main issue.

I guess its worth a shot, though! Maybe I;ll keep note of how long it makes me when I'm not rushed.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby HRomanus » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:05 pm

vracovino wrote:Yeah I realize I'm being a wimp and quitting isn't going to do anything. But its a discouraging feeling nonetheless, especially because its the timing issue that has really been killing me rather than my core fundamentals. In other words- my fundamentals fall apart under test conditions. I am truly unsure of whether taking an untimed PT will help me or not at this point, especially since timing is my main issue.


Ah, I didn't realize you were so solid on your fundamentals. I would break down your performance as much as possible to find the weakness. How do you perform on individual timed sections? How do you perform on individual timed logic games and individual timed reading passages?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby vracovino » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:13 pm

HRomanus wrote:
vracovino wrote:Yeah I realize I'm being a wimp and quitting isn't going to do anything. But its a discouraging feeling nonetheless, especially because its the timing issue that has really been killing me rather than my core fundamentals. In other words- my fundamentals fall apart under test conditions. I am truly unsure of whether taking an untimed PT will help me or not at this point, especially since timing is my main issue.


Ah, I didn't realize you were so solid on your fundamentals. I would break down your performance as much as possible to find the weakness. How do you perform on individual timed sections? How do you perform on individual timed logic games and individual timed reading passages?


Well I wouldn't say I'm 100 percent solid on my fundamentals, but I do think I am fairly solid. I've drilled all LR 1-38 but could definitely improve my Logic Games. I'm much better at them now then before, specifically linear and grouping, but certain game types, like pure sequencing, are still new to me and throw me off. For Logic Reasoning, untimed I would say I would average about -1 to -3. And for reading comprehension, untimed I'd probably be around a -2.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby some1uknown » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:25 pm

Prep test 69

158

LR -14
LG -8
RC -10

damn i used to go -2 at most on LG and after not having worked on them in a while it's starting to slip from me. looks like i need to drill that more.

my LR was weird, first section i went -4 and the second one i got -10, granted it may have been the fourth section and i was feeling worn out from doing 4 sections straight but damnit i was close to getting LR into single digits

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby HRomanus » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:40 pm

vracovino wrote:Well I wouldn't say I'm 100 percent solid on my fundamentals, but I do think I am fairly solid. I've drilled all LR 1-38 but could definitely improve my Logic Games. I'm much better at them now then before, specifically linear and grouping, but certain game types, like pure sequencing, are still new to me and throw me off. For Logic Reasoning, untimed I would say I would average about -1 to -3. And for reading comprehension, untimed I'd probably be around a -2.


I would stop taking full length PTs for the moment and focus on drilling LR and LG, particularly LG.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby gnomgnomuch » Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:52 pm

Hey everyone,

Anyone here considering an MPP? Just curious lol

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby chimera » Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:18 pm

PT 43 today. Hit my average of 165. RC -4, LR -6/-5, LG -3. RC was particularly brutal--the code switching passage ate up a lot of time and was pretty difficult. Plus the last passage on faculty patent rights had a lot of information.

My LR mistakes are just asinine. As soon as I look at the question again I see where I went wrong, and why the CR is right. I suppose that if my problem with LR is making foolish mistakes while testing I need to focus more on timed LR sections instead of drilling questions by type. I think this applies to my LG section too since I misinterpreted a rule in the first and third sections. Thoughts on this?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby HRomanus » Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:12 pm

chimera wrote:PT 43 today. Hit my average of 165. RC -4, LR -6/-5, LG -3. RC was particularly brutal--the code switching passage ate up a lot of time and was pretty difficult. Plus the last passage on faculty patent rights had a lot of information.

My LR mistakes are just asinine. As soon as I look at the question again I see where I went wrong, and why the CR is right. I suppose that if my problem with LR is making foolish mistakes while testing I need to focus more on timed LR sections instead of drilling questions by type. I think this applies to my LG section too since I misinterpreted a rule in the first and third sections. Thoughts on this?


Do you make the same mistakes on untimed LR? Do you see the foolishness of your mistakes on blind review? Just understanding how dumb your answer was afterwards doesn't mean it's necessarily a *time* issue.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby chimera » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:26 pm

HRomanus wrote:
chimera wrote:PT 43 today. Hit my average of 165. RC -4, LR -6/-5, LG -3. RC was particularly brutal--the code switching passage ate up a lot of time and was pretty difficult. Plus the last passage on faculty patent rights had a lot of information.

My LR mistakes are just asinine. As soon as I look at the question again I see where I went wrong, and why the CR is right. I suppose that if my problem with LR is making foolish mistakes while testing I need to focus more on timed LR sections instead of drilling questions by type. I think this applies to my LG section too since I misinterpreted a rule in the first and third sections. Thoughts on this?


Do you make the same mistakes on untimed LR? Do you see the foolishness of your mistakes on blind review? Just understanding how dumb your answer was afterwards doesn't mean it's necessarily a *time* issue.


Ya, untimed I'm fine. Same goes for blind review (that's actually what I meant when I said "looking back at the question" woops), which brings my LR sections down between -2 and -0.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby HRomanus » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:49 pm

chimera wrote:Ya, untimed I'm fine. Same goes for blind review (that's actually what I meant when I said "looking back at the question" woops), which brings my LR sections down between -2 and -0.


Do you finish pretty close to the wire when timed?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby kbrizz » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:53 pm

Has anyone used a 7sage course? What's the general consensus on it?

It seems like a good idea because it's not as structured (or impersonal) as a real life class, but I'll still be able to access all of those videos and other things.

I don't know though, wanted to put the feelers out.

Edit: Specifically asking about the $179 course.

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Postby sashafierce » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:03 pm

kbrizz wrote:Has anyone used a 7sage course? What's the general consensus on it?

It seems like a good idea because it's not as structured (or impersonal) as a real life class, but I'll still be able to access all of those videos and other things.

I don't know though, wanted to put the feelers out.

Edit: Specifically asking about the $179 course.


I honestly think that its worth money. Since starting 7sage course (Premium course) I have improved my LG skills and my LR skills. His RC is basic but still good. You can PM me if you want more specific details.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby ilikebaseball » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:58 pm

If anyone is interested in splitting the cost for 7sage, please pm me. If we get a few of us we can really knock down the cost,especially since we'll only be using it 8 weeks.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby ilikebaseball » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:31 pm

ilikebaseball wrote:If anyone is interested in splitting the cost for 7sage, please pm me. If we get a few of us we can really knock down the cost,especially since we'll only be using it 8 weeks.

Got one person to split it with so far. Cmon guys, the more we get, the easier. Even if it only helps you raise it 2 or 3 points... youre talking thousands of dollars you're saving in the long run

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby kbrizz » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:33 pm

ilikebaseball wrote:
ilikebaseball wrote:If anyone is interested in splitting the cost for 7sage, please pm me. If we get a few of us we can really knock down the cost,especially since we'll only be using it 8 weeks.

Got one person to split it with so far. Cmon guys, the more we get, the easier. Even if it only helps you raise it 2 or 3 points... youre talking thousands of dollars you're saving in the long run



I might be interested, will get back to you!

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby kbrizz » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:34 pm

kbrizz wrote:
ilikebaseball wrote:
ilikebaseball wrote:If anyone is interested in splitting the cost for 7sage, please pm me. If we get a few of us we can really knock down the cost,especially since we'll only be using it 8 weeks.

Got one person to split it with so far. Cmon guys, the more we get, the easier. Even if it only helps you raise it 2 or 3 points... youre talking thousands of dollars you're saving in the long run


Actually, which course? (sorry for the double post)

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby ilikebaseball » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:41 pm

kbrizz wrote:
kbrizz wrote:
ilikebaseball wrote:
ilikebaseball wrote:If anyone is interested in splitting the cost for 7sage, please pm me. If we get a few of us we can really knock down the cost,especially since we'll only be using it 8 weeks.

Got one person to split it with so far. Cmon guys, the more we get, the easier. Even if it only helps you raise it 2 or 3 points... youre talking thousands of dollars you're saving in the long run


Actually, which course? (sorry for the double post)


7sage. We'll start with the basic. And if its worth it, we'll move on up depending on if everyone else is down. I'd like to figure this out by the end of tomorrow because at this point we sorta have to speed things up

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby lsatkillah » Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:57 am

PT 56

LG: -4 (unfinished: 4)
LR: -5, -2
RC: -2

Scaled: 167

One painful point at a time. Anyone else with sloooooowwwww progress? I go back to school in 3 weeks D:

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Valamar » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:47 am

lsatkillah wrote:PT 56

LG: -4 (unfinished: 4)
LR: -5, -2
RC: -2

Scaled: 167

One painful point at a time. Anyone else with sloooooowwwww progress? I go back to school in 3 weeks D:


Yeah, not looking forward to balancing LSAT prep with schoolwork in September, plus all the distractions of the undergrad lifestyle haha

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby lsatkillah » Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:08 am

Valamar wrote:
lsatkillah wrote:PT 56

LG: -4 (unfinished: 4)
LR: -5, -2
RC: -2

Scaled: 167

One painful point at a time. Anyone else with sloooooowwwww progress? I go back to school in 3 weeks D:


Yeah, not looking forward to balancing LSAT prep with schoolwork in September, plus all the distractions of the undergrad lifestyle haha


Word. I am not going out until this thang is over. PTs on Friday nights whatup.




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