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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby gnomgnomuch » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:56 pm

BillPackets wrote:
gnomgnomuch wrote:
BillPackets wrote:So I've been PT'ing since June, started studying in march. I've taken PTs 40-54.

I was getting my scores up in the high 160s pretty consistently, then today I took PT 54 and totally f*cking bombed it. This is after I finally hit 170 on PT 53.

On 53 I went -0 lg, combined -6 on LR, and -5 on RC.

On 54 I went -12 combined LR, -5 RC and -3 lg.

I'm disgusted with myself and feel like a huge fucking failure. I had been going consistently -3 on RC and now I've jumped to -5 on the last two tests. I have no fucking clue what's going on.

This is extremely disheartening. I now feel like I've made no progress despite putting so much work in.

Has this happened to anyone else? And advice? Words of encouragement??



It's just an aberration man, don't beat yourself up about it. It seems that you're prob overdoing the LSAT. Take a couple days, relax, go to the beach, hang with friends, drink a ton of beer. Whatever it is you do relax, do that for a couple days, and start studying again with a fresh outlook.


Taking days off makes me nervous. I usually feel like I forget shit if I take a couple of days off, but maybe I'll try bc that was just fucking ridiculous.


Honestly, you're not gonna forget much - if anything - by taking one or two days off. On the contrary if you write down everything that troubles you and just go over the concepts, without doing any questions, that might actually solidify the process in your head.

Also, this is NOT a race, there is absolutely no penalty for not taking the test in Sept. or even sitting out a cycle. My target is a 172+ If i'm not ready for September (by which I mean, I'm PT'ing consistently over 175) there's just no way I'm taking it then.

Set a goal for yourself, but don't hesitate to change your time frame. It will pay off in the long run with scholarship$ and better school prospects.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Louis1127 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:50 pm

Welcome back, Bill. Take a few days off my man. You're still well into the 160s and should be proud of your hard work to this point.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:40 am

Louis1127 wrote:Welcome back, Bill. Take a few days off my man. You're still well into the 160s and should be proud of your hard work to this point.


It's good to be back Louis.

I'll take your advice.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby mmorrell94 » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:30 pm

Hi everyone! Long time lurker but this is my first post here. I took Preptest A from LSAC's Superprep and my results were as follows:

LR1: -4
RC: -4
LG: -3
LR2: -6

For a final score of 164

I'm pretty happy with this as this is only my second PT ever, and on my first about a month ago with minimal prep I got a 159 (with an astounding -13 in LG). I'm not too worried about the games and I think with practice I should definitely be able to consistently get down to -0 or -1, but honestly I've made very little improvement on LR and RC. Every single RC section I've ever done has been between -6 and -4, and my LR sections have improved by a very meager 1 or 2 questions as well.

Does anyone have any success stories they'd like to share for encouragement of going from similar RC and LR scores to much better ones? I'm really extremely hopeful for a 171+ in September, so any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:56 pm

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:Checking into this thread. I had a 163 on the December 2011 test. Took a couple years off and worked.

Took my first PT today since I started studying again. PT 40

I scored a 166.
LR1: -4
LG: -2
LR2: -4
RC: -5

4 of the 8 LR I missed were sufficient assumption questions so I need to figure out what my issue is there. Hope everyone's studying is going well.


Way to go colonel. You're well on your way to a 172+. What's your uGPA?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby vracovino » Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:31 pm

Took my second timed (4 section) PT today, PT 46.

RC: -4
LR: -3
LR: -3 (forgot to bubble one in -_-)
Lg: -2

Raw: 87
Scaled: 167

This is definetly indicative of the upper end of my potential right now. Really happy with this score- although this is a relatively tough curve, no? I was expecting to see a bit higher of a score here.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:26 pm

I've hit a bit of a plateau lately. My last four PTs have been IDENTICAL in scaled score. The mistakes are sort of scattered around, there's no real pattern or massive problem area.

I have only been studying sporadically due to family visiting/heavy workload/getting a terrible cold, so it's motivation to pick up the pace, I guess. But damn, it's frustrating!

Side note - if you aren't already, you should start using the score sheet thing to bubble in your answers. I just started, and noticed that it takes a little getting used to. I've caught myself making quite a few mistakes, and it would really suck for that to happen on the actual exam.

Anyway, I hope you are all enjoying your weekends!

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby gnomgnomuch » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:18 pm

Hey all,

Any advice on setting up the diagram for 3D Grouping games? They kill me every.single time. Once I realize how to draw the diagram I'll figure out the game pretty fast, the problem is I usually draw it wrong, take too long to figure it out. Tips?

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Postby DaRascal » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:29 pm

What I find to be the most challenging thing about the LSAT is that you need to maintain your focus over a roughly 3 hour stretch of time. If you come in not really in the mood or with tremendous pressure on your shoulders, you're sunk- your adrenaline will speed up the exam even though you may not feel nervous and you'll start skimming and missing things and end up with a horrible score. If you come in with a clear mind, you'll go through the sections at your own pace and the test will slow down so that it reads a lot easier.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby CFC1524 » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:46 pm

gnomgnomuch wrote:Hey all,

Any advice on setting up the diagram for 3D Grouping games? They kill me every.single time. Once I realize how to draw the diagram I'll figure out the game pretty fast, the problem is I usually draw it wrong, take too long to figure it out. Tips?


Can you clarify what you mean by "3D" / give an example?

Also, I've been drilling RC passages from PT's 1-38 the past couple days. I thought the common wisdom was that the older tests were essentially the same thing as the new ones, but I'm getting the feeling that these earlier RC's are easier than the later RC's. Anybody have a similar (or different) experience?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby gnomgnomuch » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:49 pm

CFC1524 wrote:
gnomgnomuch wrote:Hey all,

Any advice on setting up the diagram for 3D Grouping games? They kill me every.single time. Once I realize how to draw the diagram I'll figure out the game pretty fast, the problem is I usually draw it wrong, take too long to figure it out. Tips?


Can you clarify what you mean by "3D" / give an example?

Also, I've been drilling RC passages from PT's 1-38 the past couple days. I thought the common wisdom was that the older tests were essentially the same thing as the new ones, but I'm getting the feeling that these earlier RC's are easier than the later RC's. Anybody have a similar (or different) experience?



PT 43 S4 G4. I just cant figure out how to set up the games when they're grouping multiple things. So this game has 3 Buildings (xyz) and 6 types of food (fhgipst) Each type of food is served at least one (but at most 3) of the buildings. I understand what the problem is saying, but for the life of me I cant figure out how to PLACE the damn diagram. And that's literally killing me. I went almost perfect on the previous 3 games (missed 2 questions), then I came to this question and BAM, completely fucked up.

Regarding RC: Earlier passages are considered slightly easier than newer ones. Also theres the addition of comparative passages. It was discussed ITT a while back I think.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Learn_Live_Hope » Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:56 pm

gnomgnomuch wrote:
CFC1524 wrote:
gnomgnomuch wrote:Hey all,

Any advice on setting up the diagram for 3D Grouping games? They kill me every.single time. Once I realize how to draw the diagram I'll figure out the game pretty fast, the problem is I usually draw it wrong, take too long to figure it out. Tips?


Can you clarify what you mean by "3D" / give an example?

Also, I've been drilling RC passages from PT's 1-38 the past couple days. I thought the common wisdom was that the older tests were essentially the same thing as the new ones, but I'm getting the feeling that these earlier RC's are easier than the later RC's. Anybody have a similar (or different) experience?



PT 43 S4 G4. I just cant figure out how to set up the games when they're grouping multiple things. So this game has 3 Buildings (xyz) and 6 types of food (fhgipst) Each type of food is served at least one (but at most 3) of the buildings. I understand what the problem is saying, but for the life of me I cant figure out how to PLACE the damn diagram. And that's literally killing me. I went almost perfect on the previous 3 games (missed 2 questions), then I came to this question and BAM, completely fucked up.

Regarding RC: Earlier passages are considered slightly easier than newer ones. Also theres the addition of comparative passages. It was discussed ITT a while back I think.



They are not more difficult? I've heard many say they are more difficult :?

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Postby NotASpecialSnowflake » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:23 pm

smccgrey wrote:I have only been studying sporadically due to family visiting/heavy workload/getting a terrible cold, so it's motivation to pick up the pace, I guess. But damn, it's frustrating!


I know the feeling. My family has started on a huge project and they want me to help out, but I have to find time to work on my LSATs too. It might be selfish, but this will be a huge part of my future. And don't worry about the plateau. It happens a lot but then you are able to move past it. Something might click, or maybe you'll just concentrate more.

My latest PT. I've taken this once before, but it was over 6 months ago and I didn't remember much. Considering the fact that I've been sick these past couple of days, I'd say it balanced out.

PT 70 October 2013 with a LR section from October 2000.

92/100, 172/180
LR 1 -2
RC -3
LG -1
LR 2 -3
Exp -1

This feels so good. I was stuck at 169 for two PTs and struggling with LR. I got it to a manageable level on a really difficult PT. I also did well on all five sections, which hasn't happened before. A lot of exciting progress.

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Postby jmjm » Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:59 pm

CFC1524 wrote:Also, I've been drilling RC passages from PT's 1-38 the past couple days. I thought the common wisdom was that the older tests were essentially the same thing as the new ones, but I'm getting the feeling that these earlier RC's are easier than the later RC's. Anybody have a similar (or different) experience?


I find the new RC from late 50s and 60s to be much harder than the older RC. I was -0/-2 on the old fresh RC but I don't recall doing better than -6 on the new fresh RC. Also retake of RC scores are rarely representative. If I retake an RC section even after a year, I feel there is some retention of a certain familiarity with the material that skews my retake score.
Can you share your breakdown on the real test? I practiced a lot on old RC but I question my approach now as the RC difficulty level has increased a lot recently.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:01 pm

gnomgnomuch wrote:
CFC1524 wrote:
gnomgnomuch wrote:Hey all,

Any advice on setting up the diagram for 3D Grouping games? They kill me every.single time. Once I realize how to draw the diagram I'll figure out the game pretty fast, the problem is I usually draw it wrong, take too long to figure it out. Tips?


Can you clarify what you mean by "3D" / give an example?

Also, I've been drilling RC passages from PT's 1-38 the past couple days. I thought the common wisdom was that the older tests were essentially the same thing as the new ones, but I'm getting the feeling that these earlier RC's are easier than the later RC's. Anybody have a similar (or different) experience?



PT 43 S4 G4. I just cant figure out how to set up the games when they're grouping multiple things. So this game has 3 Buildings (xyz) and 6 types of food (fhgipst) Each type of food is served at least one (but at most 3) of the buildings. I understand what the problem is saying, but for the life of me I cant figure out how to PLACE the damn diagram. And that's literally killing me. I went almost perfect on the previous 3 games (missed 2 questions), then I came to this question and BAM, completely fucked up.

Regarding RC: Earlier passages are considered slightly easier than newer ones. Also theres the addition of comparative passages. It was discussed ITT a while back I think.


I put X Y Z across the top and then distribute the pieces among them. If I recall correctly, F and two other pieces go under Y, and I and S both go to the X and Z. Then the other important rule is that F and P can't go together, but F must go twice. So the placement of F and P determine where the other will go.

I think that's what you're asking anyway.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:18 pm

Just spent the last couple of hours inputting my PTs into LSAT QA... I really wish I had done it earlier (just because of how long it took!)

I'm not sure the analysis is that helpful, but it is a really nice tool for tracking progress. My best PT is still the second one I took... Superprep B has a stupidly nice curve. Looking at my answers, I didn't even do that well (-4 on LG...??). I have PT 59 tomorrow which has a sweet curve too, so I have high hopes of breaking the plateau!

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby gnomgnomuch » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:58 pm

BillPackets wrote:
gnomgnomuch wrote:
CFC1524 wrote:
gnomgnomuch wrote:Hey all,

Any advice on setting up the diagram for 3D Grouping games? They kill me every.single time. Once I realize how to draw the diagram I'll figure out the game pretty fast, the problem is I usually draw it wrong, take too long to figure it out. Tips?


Can you clarify what you mean by "3D" / give an example?

Also, I've been drilling RC passages from PT's 1-38 the past couple days. I thought the common wisdom was that the older tests were essentially the same thing as the new ones, but I'm getting the feeling that these earlier RC's are easier than the later RC's. Anybody have a similar (or different) experience?



PT 43 S4 G4. I just cant figure out how to set up the games when they're grouping multiple things. So this game has 3 Buildings (xyz) and 6 types of food (fhgipst) Each type of food is served at least one (but at most 3) of the buildings. I understand what the problem is saying, but for the life of me I cant figure out how to PLACE the damn diagram. And that's literally killing me. I went almost perfect on the previous 3 games (missed 2 questions), then I came to this question and BAM, completely fucked up.

Regarding RC: Earlier passages are considered slightly easier than newer ones. Also theres the addition of comparative passages. It was discussed ITT a while back I think.


I put X Y Z across the top and then distribute the pieces among them. If I recall correctly, F and two other pieces go under Y, and I and S both go to the X and Z. Then the other important rule is that F and P can't go together, but F must go twice. So the placement of F and P determine where the other will go.

I think that's what you're asking anyway.



I'm not asking for specific help on a question, but on how to diagram the entire subset of questions. Is there a way you guys determine which group goes where (row/column)

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby gnomgnomuch » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:14 pm

mornincounselor wrote:
I'm not asking for specific help on a question, but on how to diagram the entire subset of questions. Is there a way you guys determine which group goes where (row/column)


Just don't get stuck. It doesn't really matter which goes where. I mean sometimes it's easier one way then another but thats mostly based on the rules and you get better on deciding the more you practice.



I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
I always feel that I miss inferences because I'm inverting the way the diagram is supposed to be, and when I use the 7sage diagram, before looking over the answers/reasoning, I do the game again, and usually nail it.


I'm just frustrated. I flew by the ordering games section in Manhattan (and I have them down) and basic in/out games I have down as well. But complex ordering games just screw me.

I decided to take a break from LG for a bit, did section #2 in PT 43 for LR and went 22/25, so kinda happy about that.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:23 pm

gnomgnomuch wrote:
mornincounselor wrote:
I'm not asking for specific help on a question, but on how to diagram the entire subset of questions. Is there a way you guys determine which group goes where (row/column)


Just don't get stuck. It doesn't really matter which goes where. I mean sometimes it's easier one way then another but thats mostly based on the rules and you get better on deciding the more you practice.



I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
I always feel that I miss inferences because I'm inverting the way the diagram is supposed to be, and when I use the 7sage diagram, before looking over the answers/reasoning, I do the game again, and usually nail it.


I'm just frustrated. I flew by the ordering games section in Manhattan (and I have them down) and basic in/out games I have down as well. But complex ordering games just screw me.

I decided to take a break from LG for a bit, did section #2 in PT 43 for LR and went 22/25, so kinda happy about that.


I don't consider that a complex ordering game (assuming you're talking about complex ordering in the sense of how Cambridge divides up the games). Really, in those situation you're distributing one game piece to another piece--in this case it's what type of food which truck serves. As a general rule, you want to leave what is not being distributed (the food trucks) static, and make those your columns. Then you can assign the other pieces (in this case, the type of food truck) to the columns. Make sense?

X|Y|Z
-------
| |
| |
| |

That is what the game board ought to look like. This is a common type of game too, so knowing how to diagram that will be very helpful.

Edit: sorry the columns are off. But you get the picture.

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Postby jmjm » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:47 pm

gnomgnomuch wrote:PT 43 S4 G4. I just cant figure out how to set up the games when they're grouping multiple things. So this game has 3 Buildings (xyz) and 6 types of food (fhgipst) Each type of food is served at least one (but at most 3) of the buildings. I understand what the problem is saying, but for the life of me I cant figure out how to PLACE the damn diagram. And that's literally killing me. I went almost perfect on the previous 3 games (missed 2 questions), then I came to this question and BAM, completely fucked up.


Math background here so I'll try to answer. It seems you understand the problem, so it should not be hard to make the diagram. You don't have to be religious to any particular approach espoused by books to make a clear diagram that works for you. In fact it looks like you have already a described a diagram in your post. There are 3 buildings, each of which will get served a set of food items chosen from 6 types of food. So just write it down and note any restrictions that food-type placement on buildings xyz that exists. You only have to write down a representation/diagram of the problem that you already understand such that the representation helps you solve the problem.

food items (fhgpst)

x____ y_____ z_____

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby dasani13 » Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:03 pm

gnomgnomuch wrote:
CFC1524 wrote:
gnomgnomuch wrote:Hey all,

Any advice on setting up the diagram for 3D Grouping games? They kill me every.single time. Once I realize how to draw the diagram I'll figure out the game pretty fast, the problem is I usually draw it wrong, take too long to figure it out. Tips?


Can you clarify what you mean by "3D" / give an example?

Also, I've been drilling RC passages from PT's 1-38 the past couple days. I thought the common wisdom was that the older tests were essentially the same thing as the new ones, but I'm getting the feeling that these earlier RC's are easier than the later RC's. Anybody have a similar (or different) experience?



PT 43 S4 G4. I just cant figure out how to set up the games when they're grouping multiple things. So this game has 3 Buildings (xyz) and 6 types of food (fhgipst) Each type of food is served at least one (but at most 3) of the buildings. I understand what the problem is saying, but for the life of me I cant figure out how to PLACE the damn diagram. And that's literally killing me. I went almost perfect on the previous 3 games (missed 2 questions), then I came to this question and BAM, completely fucked up.

Regarding RC: Earlier passages are considered slightly easier than newer ones. Also theres the addition of comparative passages. It was discussed ITT a while back I think.



Do a lot of grouping games as practice and eventually you'll be able to recognize them easily. You could use the Cambridge packets (separated by types) or just go through old PTs and re-do only the grouping games.

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Postby bondja » Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:36 pm

PT44 was today. Last week I took 66 (I think) and scored a 162. I finished the Manhattan LSAT LG book which took me forever and I really struggled with, in a good way.

Background - Heat Advisory and I mowed two lawns with not a lot of water an no warm up. Not smart.

-7 RC, -5 LR (I noticed I needed water ASAP during the middle and I happened to miss 5 in a row when I felt this), -1 LG (Need to review this - didn't understand after a quick pass through), and I think -2 LR.

166 Total. That's a +4 from last week and I feel way more confident in my LG than I did last week! Review tomorrow!

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby MtnGinger » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:30 pm

My weakest section is by far RC and this is keeping me from my goals. I usually go perfect on games and -2-4 on LR combined but anywhere from -3-10 on RC. I decided to buy the Cambridge packs to drill because the hard science terminology really trips me up but I spazzed out and accidentally got social science instead of natural. I've contemplated purchasing the difficult pack since it has a mix of all types but I wondering how helpful it is. To me difficult is very subjective and depends on the person. Wondering if anyone has any experience with the packets and advice on what I should get. I'm running out of money. I got a 166 on the June LSAT my 1st take and I went -8 RC so I need help :cry:

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Postby Gray » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:39 pm

MtnGinger wrote:My weakest section is by far RC and this is keeping me from my goals. I usually go perfect on games and -2-4 on LR combined but anywhere from -3-10 on RC. I decided to buy the Cambridge packs to drill because the hard science terminology really trips me up but I spazzed out and accidentally got social science instead of natural. I've contemplated purchasing the difficult pack since it has a mix of all types but I wondering how helpful it is. To me difficult is very subjective and depends on the person. Wondering if anyone has any experience with the packets and advice on what I should get. I'm running out of money. I got a 166 on the June LSAT my 1st take and I went -8 RC so I need help :cry:


It's the arts and literature passages for me... I got a book with all the passages from 21 to 40 grouped by type... I find doing them back to back like that helps me pick up on patterns.




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