The Official September 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby gatesome » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:56 am

ilikebaseball wrote:only did 2 RC sections 2 LR sections and an LG section cuz im a word that rhymes with slabbahunt. Wakin up and takin a random PT tomorrow IDFK which one it is but its in the way so whatevs gonna knock it out.


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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:24 am

SMCC explain this to me: last night, I bought blueberries from the local grocery store because my college roommate said they are good for your brain. They were $4 for 6oz. Holy. Shit. I look at the package this morning and they're from Canada. So I look up Canadian blueberries, and a government website says that they're handpicked. Why am I paying drug-prices for handpicked blueberries from another country.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:44 am

BJS, we give our blueberries subsidized secondary education and ensure that they are healthy. Then we hand pick them, while softly singing o'canada, so that their last journey, to the mouths of Americans, will not make them suffer.

Also I wish I didn't have to go to bed so early. I can't believe what I missed last night. I like that I am rachel mcadams because a, she's canadian, b, she's the other Irene Adler, and c, her last name also starts with Mc.

180, HYS, and Congratulations.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby sfoglia » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:51 am

BJS wrote:SMCC explain this to me: last night, I bought blueberries from the local grocery store because my college roommate said they are good for your brain. They were $4 for 6oz. Holy. Shit. I look at the package this morning and they're from Canada. So I look up Canadian blueberries, and a government website says that they're handpicked. Why am I paying drug-prices for handpicked blueberries from another country.


Blueberries are so expensive right now (always?). Starbucks just started selling these little packets of blueberries - there can't be more than a dozen in there - for like $4.50. Insane.

I have been drinking blueberry-infused black tea every morning for the past week. Still dumb. But, hope you fair better!

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby sfoglia » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:52 am

smccgrey wrote:180, HYS, and Congratulations.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:54 am

I've just gotten a few major breakthroughs that has allowed me to comfortably move past my -3/-4 LR plateau. Writing things down helps me process, so I figured I'd share with anybody who this information might be valuable to. These things are probably covered in study books and whatnot. Too bad for me, I never used study materials, I just PT'd. So I guess I'm learning the hard way.

The LSAT is always right. There are answer choices that aren't perfect; by bubbling it in, you may feel like the LSAT is making you its bitch. You would be right. I've noticed I have subconsciously been defiant, purposefully trying hard to justify an incorrect answer choice because I want to stick it to the test writers, even though I know they intend for the other choice to be right. Too bad PnJ, the LSAT always wins.

There is a huge difference in question stems between a necessary assumption and a sufficient assumption, and the alternative is often times used as a trap. Pay special attention to this. I have always treated every assumption question as a necessary assumption and this has provided me with endless problems. No more.

There are times when the LSAT is completely literal and rigid, and there are other times when you have to make a "reasonable" assumption in order to arrive at the correct answer. Be comfortable with the LSAT's hypocracy.

Pay special attention to the word "should". This word will fuck you up. Similarly, look for connecting words like "thus" or "however", etc. If they're not present, an isolated sentence can be a red herring and may not be part of the argument.

When in doubt, convert to formal diagram. It may be time intensive but you should only need to do this for ~2-3 questions.

Don't dig too deep. When in pursuit of as few incorrect questions as possible, I'm often tempted to consider every perspective; every possibility. I do excessive prephrasing. This is not necessary, and kills time. It also leads to day dreaming. Find the right answer, move on. We're not searching for the truth here, we're only searching for the right answer.

This is where I need your help:

1.) How do you differentiate between an intermediate conclusion and a premise?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:03 am

I was about to respond pnj, but saw that schmelly just gave you a really good Explanation and I probably would've been less concise

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:05 am

sfoglia wrote:Still dumb. But, hope you fair better!


This is really funny

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:06 am

So for assumption questions, I'm connecting the intermediate conclusion (should there be one) to the final conclusion, and don't need to give a shit about the intermediate conclusion and its premise right?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:07 am

sfoglia wrote:
BJS wrote:SMCC explain this to me: last night, I bought blueberries from the local grocery store because my college roommate said they are good for your brain. They were $4 for 6oz. Holy. Shit. I look at the package this morning and they're from Canada. So I look up Canadian blueberries, and a government website says that they're handpicked. Why am I paying drug-prices for handpicked blueberries from another country.


Blueberries are so expensive right now (always?). Starbucks just started selling these little packets of blueberries - there can't be more than a dozen in there - for like $4.50. Insane.

I have been drinking blueberry-infused black tea every morning for the past week. Still dumb. But, hope you fair better!


At least you get a star if you buy them at Starbucks. Or maybe I just use that excuse too much. But yea, hopefully it'll work out. I really need a juice cleanse at some point, but right now I'm having a lot of nuts, berries, water, and juices throughout the day. I was really unhealthy this weekend (1/2 gallon of ice cream and a whole pizza) and I'm curious whether that hurt my PT scores.

smccgrey wrote:BJS, we give our blueberries subsidized secondary education and ensure that they are healthy. Then we hand pick them, while softly singing o'canada, so that their last journey, to the mouths of Americans, will not make them suffer.


Damn socialist Canadians.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:10 am

My diet right now could be described as EAT ALL THE FOOD.

I always perform poorly when I haven't eaten a fat breakfast. I think I just need energy.

My breakfast RN is bacon, eggs, sauteed spinach and kale, and a couple mini powdered donuts.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:13 am

smccgrey wrote:My diet right now could be described as EAT ALL THE FOOD.

I always perform poorly when I haven't eaten a fat breakfast. I think I just need energy.

My breakfast RN is bacon, eggs, sauteed spinach and kale, and a couple mini powdered donuts.


Whoa there Michael Phelps.

Apparently the Dec thread is starting a rule that you can't discuss PT answers inside the thread. Reason #1,034 that I hope I don't have to retake in December.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:15 am

schmelling wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:So for assumption questions, I'm connecting the intermediate conclusion (should there be one) to the final conclusion, and don't need to give a shit about the intermediate conclusion and its premise right?


This is tricky, because I haven't seen every Necessary assumption question. In theory it is possible that there may be an assumption necessary to an intermediate conclusion, which in turn would make it necessary to the ultimate conclusion being valid.


That's what I thought at first, but then you're leaving the ultimate conclusion unsupported? If there are 2 answer choices, and 1 connects intermediate-premise, and the other connects intermediate-final, would the latter always be right?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:18 am

BJS wrote:
smccgrey wrote:My diet right now could be described as EAT ALL THE FOOD.

I always perform poorly when I haven't eaten a fat breakfast. I think I just need energy.

My breakfast RN is bacon, eggs, sauteed spinach and kale, and a couple mini powdered donuts.


Whoa there Michael Phelps.

Apparently the Dec thread is starting a rule that you can't discuss PT answers inside the thread. Reason #1,034 that I hope I don't have to retake in December.

The LOLSAT is an endurance sport. I usually have just a coffee for breakfast, but not on PT days. PT days are for fat fuck breakfasts.

December sounds BORING.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:21 am

schmelling wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:So for assumption questions, I'm connecting the intermediate conclusion (should there be one) to the final conclusion, and don't need to give a shit about the intermediate conclusion and its premise right?


This is tricky, because I haven't seen every Necessary assumption question. In theory it is possible that there may be an assumption necessary to an intermediate conclusion, which in turn would make it necessary to the ultimate conclusion being valid.


First of all there is a big diff between something being necessary and something being sufficient for an argument. Also, iirc, I don't see a lot of assumption quedtions w intermediate conclusions bc they aren't trying to distract you, they just want an assumption that's nexessary for the jump from premise to conclusion. I guess there could though. "Studies show that kids who watch tv have Lower iq scores, but this is misguided. Recently tests have shown that any correlation between usage of electronics and IQ scores was based on misinterpretation of statistics rather than a true statistical correlation. Therefore, since these studies are misguided, these researchers need to have other of their studies evaluated"

In this you could say that there is a nexessary assumptiob between premise and IC "usage of electronics includes television" or something like that, that would obviously be necessary to lead to final conclusion "need other studies evaluated" but I don't think I've ever seen anything like that.

If there are flaws here I did it hastily and woke up recently so cut me a break

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:27 am

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:27 am

smccgrey wrote:fat fuck breakfasts


Hey grey I know we haven't been seeing eye to eye lately, but this is a really important contribution to this thread

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Colonel_funkadunk » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:28 am

Is Shanghai on fire? Do they have firemen?

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:29 am

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:Is Shanghai on fire? Do they have firemen?


Now that you bring it up I've never seen a firetruck.

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby Gray » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:31 am

Colonel_funkadunk wrote:
smccgrey wrote:fat fuck breakfasts


Hey grey I know we haven't been seeing eye to eye lately, but this is a really important contribution to this thread

We haven't??????

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Re: The Official September 2014 Study Group

Postby BJS » Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:31 am

I haven't really done any RC "prep" other than drilling, in which I've gone through the difficulty packet and several sections in PT41-50. With the exception of PT59 - in which I somehow went a horrific -6 - I'm scoring -0 to -3 every test. According to LSATqa, my worst question type is Suggested/Implied, where I'm hitting 91.2%. So generally it feels like my RC is working, albeit not perfectly. Do you think it's worth it to spend any inordinate time this week prepping RC (such as going through the MLSAT RC book)?




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