solid score! can you describe your time stamps for lr and individual passages in rc? iirc i ran out of time in both lr/rc when i took this pt.smccgrey wrote: So it was -5 for 175. It was one of those tests where no raw score gets you a 176, so...
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what are those who have run out of PTs doing to gauge improvement? Retake score on a PT can be highly inflated even when one thinks it's not. if any company made faux questions similar or more difficult than lsat then that could be useful.
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I am absolutely stumped about the cop award question as well. I spent over a minute deciding between A and B, then spent about half a minute after finishing the section before time ended reviewing it - then spent about five minutes on it during Blind Review. I still don't understand why it is A rather than B.smccgrey wrote:Oh god yes. I had one where the first half of the test felt so bad that I almost threw in the towel, and I ended up actually getting -0 on both of the first two sections. It was unexpected.Blockofcheese wrote: Has anyone else had this inverse where they feel like the did horrible on a section and great on another only to find the opposite actually happened?
Anyways, took PT 63 today, went:
LR1: - 0
LG: -1 ... Game 3 (car types) was killer for me. I spent 5 minutes total on the first two games and just got really stumped by a couple of questions in 3. When I got the answers by POE, and realized which one was right, it was like "ohhhhh that should have been easier"
LR2: -2 that question about the cops getting an award? WTF was that. I need to find an explanation.
RC: -2
So it was -5 for 175. It was one of those tests where no raw score gets you a 176, so...
None of my mistakes were silly errors, just tough questions that I got wrong, although for 2 of them, my second choice was the right answer.
I've realized that my raw score is very very consistent. Last week's debacle aside, I almost always get exactly 5 wrong. Weird.
I'm going to go make pizza now.
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+1. I did that exact same LR section today and that was one so confusing. If anyone has an explanation that would be great. I get why C-E are wrong, but why A is necessarily better than B I don't get. I actually went with A due to it "feeling more right" but I had no logic behind it, nor could I justify it upon review.BJS wrote:I am absolutely stumped about the cop award question as well. I spent over a minute deciding between A and B, then spent about half a minute after finishing the section before time ended reviewing it - then spent about five minutes on it during Blind Review. I still don't understand why it is A rather than B.smccgrey wrote:Oh god yes. I had one where the first half of the test felt so bad that I almost threw in the towel, and I ended up actually getting -0 on both of the first two sections. It was unexpected.Blockofcheese wrote: Has anyone else had this inverse where they feel like the did horrible on a section and great on another only to find the opposite actually happened?
Anyways, took PT 63 today, went:
LR1: - 0
LG: -1 ... Game 3 (car types) was killer for me. I spent 5 minutes total on the first two games and just got really stumped by a couple of questions in 3. When I got the answers by POE, and realized which one was right, it was like "ohhhhh that should have been easier"
LR2: -2 that question about the cops getting an award? WTF was that. I need to find an explanation.
RC: -2
So it was -5 for 175. It was one of those tests where no raw score gets you a 176, so...
None of my mistakes were silly errors, just tough questions that I got wrong, although for 2 of them, my second choice was the right answer.
I've realized that my raw score is very very consistent. Last week's debacle aside, I almost always get exactly 5 wrong. Weird.
I'm going to go make pizza now.
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Can anybody please offer any advice on tackling inference questions in RC? Based on LSATQA and just my general understanding of where I get stuck the most, it's clear I need help. It's weird because I always thought that one can answer an inference question if one understands where the author was going with the passage, but I still get answers wrong on passages where I fully understand the structure and the main point, and end up going -1 on it (the inference question, of course). in the MLSAT RC explanations, the answers for the inference question would always be somewhere in the passage as support for the inference, but I guess I just have a difficult time figuring out which of the five answer choices I should use to go digging in the passage to find support for
Sorry to give such a long explanation for a simple question, just wanted to give a little background to those who may need it to offer me a bit more focused advice.
Sorry to give such a long explanation for a simple question, just wanted to give a little background to those who may need it to offer me a bit more focused advice.
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My results for PT 55, which I just took, are different from Boris', yet we ended up with similar scores. Looks like today will not be the day that I get out of the low 160s.
Score: 161
LR -6 combined
RC -7 (-4 on the talk story passage, which I didn't understand)
LG -7 (3 stupid mistakes before bombing the simcoe bus stop game)
well, on every PT, I usually either bomb a game or a passage, and this time I bombed both, yet managed to stay in the 160s (yay?).
I still have work to do on all 3 sections. I thought I did better on both LR and games while I was doing them.
Will get to work tomorrow after class and work. Right now going to take off frustrations by aggressive lifting.
Score: 161
LR -6 combined
RC -7 (-4 on the talk story passage, which I didn't understand)
LG -7 (3 stupid mistakes before bombing the simcoe bus stop game)
well, on every PT, I usually either bomb a game or a passage, and this time I bombed both, yet managed to stay in the 160s (yay?).
I still have work to do on all 3 sections. I thought I did better on both LR and games while I was doing them.
Will get to work tomorrow after class and work. Right now going to take off frustrations by aggressive lifting.
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Louis1127 wrote:My results for PT 55, which I just took, are different from Boris', yet we ended up with similar scores. Looks like today will not be the day that I get out of the low 160s.
Score: 161
LR -6 combined
RC -7 (-4 on the talk story passage, which I didn't understand)
LG -7 (3 stupid mistakes before bombing the simcoe bus stop game)
well, on every PT, I usually either bomb a game or a passage, and this time I bombed both, yet managed to stay in the 160s (yay?).
I still have work to do on all 3 sections. I thought I did better on both LR and games while I was doing them.
Will get to work tomorrow after class and work. Right now going to take off frustrations by aggressive lifting.
holy crap that bus stop game lol. I had never seen that one before, and if it wasn't for the fact that I had 16 minutes to do it, there's no way I coulda gone -1 on it like I did. Had to do POE for nearly every question. Which reminds me, I need to 7sage this game and see what the damn process is
On a side note, I'd trade my -1 LG for your -6 LR any day, any time
EDIT: of course the bus stop game has a 21 minute explanation by 7sage lmao. Thank god i wasn't the only one tripped up by this question
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Its still possibleJackelJ wrote:Took PT 62 today and scored 162. Its a 10 point improvement 4 weeks. Not the 170+'s that many others here are scoring, but I am so far satisfied with how it is going. I am still hoping to break 170 before test day.
I forgot to bring my watch to the proctored exam so my timing was off but I actually found that I was more relaxed than previous tests when I had my watch. Does anyone on here not rely on their watch, and only on the 5 min warning, during tests? If so, do you find it helpful or difficult to keep track of the time?
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PT 54 today.
LR -0
LG -0
RC -7
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LR -0
LG -0
RC -7
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There's a Kate Chopin passage?! And I thought the Willa Cather one was exciting! I need to take this PT immediately.smccgrey wrote:I found the second LR a little tight on time, but not bad. RC was fine but it being the last section was tiring. I think I spend the longest on the Kate Chopin one, and the second passage in the comparative reading section. I do not keep track of time actually reading or time per passage.jmjm wrote: solid score! can you describe your time stamps for lr and individual passages in rc? iirc i ran out of time in both lr/rc when i took this pt.
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How did you go perfect on LR?! I can't seem to do better than -2!bound wrote:PT 54 today.
LR -0
LG -0
RC -7
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Okay, folks - need advice. I purchased the Cambridge LG and LR packets, have been working through them daily, and it's going well. I usually miss 0-3 on those sections. However, I didn't really ever work on RC for June or for Sept and I'm consistently missing 3-4. Is it worth buying Cambridge RC late in the game and buckling down? Is it realistic to expect to bring down my RC score in 4/5 weeks?
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Yes… I purchased those as well. Each packet you can finish up in a day or two depending on how much time you have to study. That would be 4 or 8 days the most that you would spend on RC which is about a week. You still have 5 weeks to go. Well, little less, but you get my point.hillz wrote:Okay, folks - need advice. I purchased the Cambridge LG and LR packets, have been working through them daily, and it's going well. I usually miss 0-3 on those sections. However, I didn't really ever work on RC for June or for Sept and I'm consistently missing 3-4. Is it worth buying Cambridge RC late in the game and buckling down? Is it realistic to expect to bring down my RC score in 4/5 weeks?
In all honestly though some such as the law one you should be able to finish up in a day.
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Okay, sounds good! Will let you know how it goes.Learn_Live_Hope wrote:Yes… I purchased those as well. Each packet you can finish up in a day or two depending on how much time you have to study. That would be 4 or 8 days the most that you would spend on RC which is about a week. You still have 5 weeks to go. Well, little less, but you get my point.hillz wrote:Okay, folks - need advice. I purchased the Cambridge LG and LR packets, have been working through them daily, and it's going well. I usually miss 0-3 on those sections. However, I didn't really ever work on RC for June or for Sept and I'm consistently missing 3-4. Is it worth buying Cambridge RC late in the game and buckling down? Is it realistic to expect to bring down my RC score in 4/5 weeks?
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Per manhattan forum, apparently the first principle in that Q introduces a biconditional. Don't have it in front of me, but I remember the modifier was "but not otherwise." So I guess saying something like "if I'm awarded a trophy, then I won, but not otherwise," is a biconditional statement.smccgrey wrote: I actually eliminated A because I thought that since Penn wasn't eligible, it doesn't fit that well with the conclusion - it's not that he should not receive the award, but that he can't. Still confused.
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PT 22
172
RC-4
LR-2
LG-1 (very unusual game)
LR-3
-10... I have a feeling this is going to be similar to the curve we're gonna see, so I'm fairly happy with this score. Couple of stupid mistakes, but I mean 41 whole days to figure that out
172
RC-4
LR-2
LG-1 (very unusual game)
LR-3
-10... I have a feeling this is going to be similar to the curve we're gonna see, so I'm fairly happy with this score. Couple of stupid mistakes, but I mean 41 whole days to figure that out
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Oh lord I hope so, I'd be so pleased with a curve that gets you a 172 at -10ilikebaseball wrote:PT 22
172
RC-4
LR-2
LG-1 (very unusual game)
LR-3
-10...I have a feeling this is going to be similar to the curve we're gonna see, so I'm fairly happy with this score. Couple of stupid mistakes, but I mean 41 whole days to figure that out
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equivalent to a -12 curve. June's was -13 (of course, with the new game thrown in). I think its not crazy to think we'll have a curve, give or take one, in that ballpark! I'd guess -12, but its just speculation. In past tests, September has been a little more lenient than June, however because of the crazy LG in June, I'd say that slightly offsets the usual trendvalen wrote:Oh lord I hope so, I'd be so pleased with a curve that gets you a 172 at -10ilikebaseball wrote:PT 22
172
RC-4
LR-2
LG-1 (very unusual game)
LR-3
-10...I have a feeling this is going to be similar to the curve we're gonna see, so I'm fairly happy with this score. Couple of stupid mistakes, but I mean 41 whole days to figure that out
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Been away from my computer all evening but that is 180 lookin pizzasmccgrey wrote:This kind!Colonel_funkadunk wrote:What kind?smccgrey wrote: I'm going to go make pizza now.
also 175 is way legit.
It's my homemade specialty! The recipe is in the TLS Cooking Club thread.
Also thanks
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Curves have been higher lately. All tests in the 40s are like -8ilikebaseball wrote:equivalent to a -12 curve. June's was -13 (of course, with the new game thrown in). I think its not crazy to think we'll have a curve, give or take one, in that ballpark! I'd guess -12, but its just speculation. In past tests, September has been a little more lenient than June, however because of the crazy LG in June, I'd say that slightly offsets the usual trendvalen wrote:Oh lord I hope so, I'd be so pleased with a curve that gets you a 172 at -10ilikebaseball wrote:PT 22
172
RC-4
LR-2
LG-1 (very unusual game)
LR-3
-10...I have a feeling this is going to be similar to the curve we're gonna see, so I'm fairly happy with this score. Couple of stupid mistakes, but I mean 41 whole days to figure that out
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Seems to be a combo slightly harder tests and more modernized strategies than 10 years ago. The games, in my opinion, are a little more straight forward now. The RC seems to be much tougher thoughColonel_funkadunk wrote:Curves have been higher lately. All tests in the 40s are like -8ilikebaseball wrote:equivalent to a -12 curve. June's was -13 (of course, with the new game thrown in). I think its not crazy to think we'll have a curve, give or take one, in that ballpark! I'd guess -12, but its just speculation. In past tests, September has been a little more lenient than June, however because of the crazy LG in June, I'd say that slightly offsets the usual trendvalen wrote:Oh lord I hope so, I'd be so pleased with a curve that gets you a 172 at -10ilikebaseball wrote:PT 22
172
RC-4
LR-2
LG-1 (very unusual game)
LR-3
-10...I have a feeling this is going to be similar to the curve we're gonna see, so I'm fairly happy with this score. Couple of stupid mistakes, but I mean 41 whole days to figure that out
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I think that's credited for sure. The comparative passage also changes things, I don't necessarily think that aspect makes it harder. The games seem to be a little more structured. For instance a section I did the other day was 3 different linear and a grouping w no real curveball. Obviously they show up but it seems lessilikebaseball wrote:Seems to be a combo slightly harder tests and more modernized strategies than 10 years ago. The games, in my opinion, are a little more straight forward now. The RC seems to be much tougher thoughColonel_funkadunk wrote:Curves have been higher lately. All tests in the 40s are like -8ilikebaseball wrote:equivalent to a -12 curve. June's was -13 (of course, with the new game thrown in). I think its not crazy to think we'll have a curve, give or take one, in that ballpark! I'd guess -12, but its just speculation. In past tests, September has been a little more lenient than June, however because of the crazy LG in June, I'd say that slightly offsets the usual trendvalen wrote: Oh lord I hope so, I'd be so pleased with a curve that gets you a 172 at -10
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