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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:56 pm

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Y'all need to quit with the curve speculation shit, it gives me hope when I'd rather just drink

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby dosto » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:56 pm

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby usernotfound » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:56 pm

Glaucon wrote:
LMD wrote:
Glaucon wrote:December curves have NEVER been smaller than the preceding October curves. There are good reasons for this. 1) All the high scorers in June and October have already applied with their 170+ and vacated the writing pool, lowering the average quality. 2) LSAC must be aware of this tendency and counters accordingly, because if they didn't, everyone would wait to write the December test. There's evidence to support this line of reasoning, since Oct and Dec curves are usually increasing vis-a-vis the June's curve of that year.


Glaucon,

You need to stop. At first, it was only your reasoning that was terrible. Now, you are demonstrating a lack of knowledge.

Properly speaking, the LSAT is not "curved." The scale is set by people who took the test previously and had the questions on their experimental sections. The evidence you are providing would seem to indicate that it is better to take the December test, which it is not. Every test is theoretically the same. You could have all of the worst testers lining up to take the same test and it would have no effect whatsoever on the scoring scale.



No one has actually answered my question on the curving: since the conversion chart does change, doesn't it mean that if all the worst test takers lined up for the december test and none scored a raw score of 90 (everyone was below 98th percentile) that the curve would be generous so that the top 2% of test takers for that terrible sitting would score in the 98th percentile?


What you're saying makes sense. If the curve is predetermined, then it's NOT a percentile rank. Hell, everyone could score a 180 or a 120 and it would be the same? It could work that way, but it's extremely stupid.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby NanaP » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:57 pm

Glaucon wrote:
LMD wrote:
Glaucon wrote:December curves have NEVER been smaller than the preceding October curves. There are good reasons for this. 1) All the high scorers in June and October have already applied with their 170+ and vacated the writing pool, lowering the average quality. 2) LSAC must be aware of this tendency and counters accordingly, because if they didn't, everyone would wait to write the December test. There's evidence to support this line of reasoning, since Oct and Dec curves are usually increasing vis-a-vis the June's curve of that year.


Glaucon,

You need to stop. At first, it was only your reasoning that was terrible. Now, you are demonstrating a lack of knowledge.

Properly speaking, the LSAT is not "curved." The scale is set by people who took the test previously and had the questions on their experimental sections. The evidence you are providing would seem to indicate that it is better to take the December test, which it is not. Every test is theoretically the same. You could have all of the worst testers lining up to take the same test and it would have no effect whatsoever on the scoring scale.



No one has actually answered my question on the curving: since the conversion chart does change, doesn't it mean that if all the worst test takers lined up for the december test and none scored a raw score of 90 (everyone was below 98th percentile) that the curve would be generous so that the top 2% of test takers for that terrible sitting would score in the 98th percentile?



I don't want to seem rude, but who gives a damn about curving...at this point no one knows how many they got right or wrong....

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby snagglepuss » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:03 pm

Glaucon, please just go read up on LSAT "curving" here, you're killing my buzz.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:06 pm

snagglepuss wrote:Glaucon, please just go read up on LSAT "curving" here, you're killing my buzz.
snagglepuss wrote:Glaucon, please just go read up on LSAT "curving" here, you're killing my buzz.


Let me just fill in here for ol' boy: BUT THEN WHY IS DECEMBER ALWAYS CURVED HEAVIER THAN OCTOBER

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:06 pm

The answer is that this conjecture is dumb and needs to stop

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby jd2121 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:09 pm

i was clueless on a couple questions in the longer LR section

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby taks7 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:09 pm

just to be absolutely certain, there's no way we'll get our scores back before January right?

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby boosane » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:13 pm

taks7 wrote:just to be absolutely certain, there's no way we'll get our scores back before January right?

We might get em back on Christmas Day for all we know :twisted:

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby taks7 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:13 pm

boosane wrote:
taks7 wrote:just to be absolutely certain, there's no way we'll get our scores back before January right?

We might get em back on Christmas Day for all we know :twisted:


that would either be the best/worst present ever

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby snagglepuss » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:14 pm

boosane wrote:
taks7 wrote:just to be absolutely certain, there's no way we'll get our scores back before January right?

We might get em back on Christmas Day for all we know :twisted:

No. You can both go read up here.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby NanaP » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:18 pm

snagglepuss wrote:
boosane wrote:
taks7 wrote:just to be absolutely certain, there's no way we'll get our scores back before January right?

We might get em back on Christmas Day for all we know :twisted:

No. You can both go read up here.


But how does the folks who got cancelled affect this?

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby ManoftheHour » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:19 pm

bee wrote:
snagglepuss wrote:
dosto wrote:I hope I didn't miss something and this won't come back to bite me in the ass, but the first LG was probably the easiest one I've ever done. Or I misread a rule.

No. I finished in 2 minutes flat. There was nothing to that game at all.

as a serial lg failer, i was fucking terrified when i finished lg with like 8-10 mins left. i think i checked over that first game like 5 times because i was convinced there was no way theyd give us a gimme like that.


Had LG-LR-RC-RC-LR

I suck at LG, but even I was surprised. After the 2nd game, I checked my watch and only 10 minutes have passed. The third game has historically killed me in each of my last 3 LSATs, was not too bad either. After that section, I was praying that the experimental was not LG. I wanted that shit locked in. Then after I bombed the first RC, I was praying during the break that I would get another shot at RC. Surely enough, when I turned the page to section 4, I nearly came. Then after the exam, I found out the experimental RC was the first one.

It must be destiny. Everything went right for me today.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby snagglepuss » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:21 pm

NanaP wrote:
snagglepuss wrote:
boosane wrote:
taks7 wrote:just to be absolutely certain, there's no way we'll get our scores back before January right?

We might get em back on Christmas Day for all we know :twisted:

No. You can both go read up here.


But how does the folks who got cancelled affect this?

Probably doesn't change much. We're talking about < 30 test centers. Historical precedent points to Friday, Jan. 3, but just sit tight as if Jan. 6 is the day.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby ftbchamp232 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:24 pm

I don't what they did that pushed it back to after their generous break...but they should go back to what they were doing before.

Edit: I just noticed some were the few days after christmas when they are normally closed. Is their break a new thing?
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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby Glaucon » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:24 pm

What you're saying makes sense. If the curve is predetermined, then it's NOT a percentile rank. Hell, everyone could score a 180 or a 120 and it would be the same? It could work that way, but it's extremely stupid.[/quote]

What they are suggesting is that if one writing population all got a raw score of less than 60, then they'll all fall under the 50th percentile, so that the top 1% scorer for that sitting would not score in the top 1%. This is silly, since there's no way to retroactively increase the percentile ranking of those who already wrote the lsat that year given that the 3 year pool experienced such an intake of incompetent scorers, it's impossible that LSAC merely LEAVES the bad writing population AS IS. If what they mean is that the LSAT is normed to the last # of lsat tests, then the horrible population would severely affect future students and test construction if LSAC does absolute nothing to mediate the difference in scores.
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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:28 pm

OH

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:28 pm

MY

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:28 pm

GOD

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby ManoftheHour » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:29 pm

???

The scores are out?

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby jkee » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:32 pm

Hi all, new poster here. Just read through all of the pages, still having trouble with which RC was experimental.

I had had one with web dubois and the planet pluto that KILLED me. was pluto mirrors? or is this experimental? any heads up is much appreciated. I'm in the potential cancel group. Thanks.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:33 pm

No, this idiot won't shut up about the curve.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby dosto » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:36 pm

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Re: December 2013 LSAT waiting thread

Postby 062914123 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:37 pm

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