October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

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October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby LSAT Blog » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:05 pm

The number of October 2013 LSATs administered was 33,673, down 10.9% from October 2012 and down about 45% from the October 2009 LSATs administered.


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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby drawstring » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:11 pm

:D

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby neprep » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:19 pm

Looks like the downward trend is here to stay. Surprised that the LSAC page the blog links to doesn't report the data in the post (http://lsac.org/lsacresources/data/lsats-administered); I wonder what the source is.

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby wtrc » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:44 pm

This is wonderful news all around

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby RCO2012 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:24 pm

I think the schools in the lower T14 have definitely already showed signs of a lowering quality applicant pool. It seems to be actually forcing schools to really embody the 'holistic approach' that they boast about. So, definitely good news :)!

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby Otunga » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:33 pm

RCO2012 wrote:I think the schools in the lower T14 have definitely already showed signs of a lowering quality applicant pool. It seems to be actually forcing schools to really embody the 'holistic approach' that they boast about. So, definitely good news :)!


I think I noticed some 164s and 165s getting Cornell already. Is that unusual though?

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby vuthy » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:50 pm

neprep wrote:Looks like the downward trend is here to stay. Surprised that the LSAC page the blog links to doesn't report the data in the post (http://lsac.org/lsacresources/data/lsats-administered); I wonder what the source is.


The source is sound. They distribute the data to prelaw advisors and law school folks first. I think that's where they must have gotten it.

ETA: Also, I can't recall where I posted it, but a recent study showed that the % of sub 150 scorers is declining at a much lower rate than 160+ scorers. The 160+ is really becoming scarce, in both absolute and relative terms. Eat your synchro, kids.

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby iamgeorgebush » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:59 pm

RCO2012 wrote:I think the schools in the lower T14 have definitely already showed signs of a lowering quality applicant pool. It seems to be actually forcing schools to really embody the 'holistic approach' that they boast about. So, definitely good news :)!

Or it's forcing schools to sacrifice the holistic approach in order to keep their medians. That seemed to be what this blog post by the same author is suggesting: --LinkRemoved--

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Postby 05062014 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:51 pm

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby wtrc » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:20 pm

abdistotle wrote:3.63; 156-160-172(oct 13) ...........chances at columbia? Someone here said it was 50/50, does this change now that oct takers are down?



Assuming the retakes don't play a role, 3.63 172 seems better than 50/50 to me, near the GPA median and above LSAT.

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Postby 05062014 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:21 pm

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby wtrc » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:23 pm

abdistotle wrote:
wtrc wrote:
abdistotle wrote:3.63; 156-160-172(oct 13) ...........chances at columbia? Someone here said it was 50/50, does this change now that oct takers are down?



Assuming the retakes don't play a role, 3.63 172 seems better than 50/50 to me, near the GPA median and above LSAT.


i basically feel like my cycle will tell the world whether retakes really do trump lower scores -- completely or not.


Haha I hear ya. I'm a 3 time taker as well. You writing an addendum?

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby star fox » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:24 pm

abdistotle wrote:3.63; 156-160-172(oct 13) ...........chances at columbia? Someone here said it was 50/50, does this change now that oct takers are down?


Your odds are pretty good, imo.

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Postby 05062014 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:26 pm

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby 05062014 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:26 pm

john7234797 wrote:
abdistotle wrote:3.63; 156-160-172(oct 13) ...........chances at columbia? Someone here said it was 50/50, does this change now that oct takers are down?


Your odds are pretty good, imo.


i like ur opinion bro

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby star fox » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:28 pm

abdistotle wrote:
john7234797 wrote:
abdistotle wrote:3.63; 156-160-172(oct 13) ...........chances at columbia? Someone here said it was 50/50, does this change now that oct takers are down?


Your odds are pretty good, imo.


i like ur opinion bro


i like your lsat score. :)

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby 05062014 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:35 pm

where can i find the median lsat and median gpa for the class of 2016?

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby wtrc » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:39 pm

abdistotle wrote:where can i find the median lsat and median gpa for the class of 2016?

http://web.law.columbia.edu/admissions/ ... ss-profile

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby 05062014 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:41 pm

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby toshiroh » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:08 pm

Pretty much expected

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby LSAT Blog » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:16 am

A few more details in this post:

The number of first time takers was down roughly 13% from last October.


http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2013/10 ... rther.html

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby 05062014 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:37 pm

i just got a fee waiver from uchicago... good sign??

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby drawstring » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:48 pm

abdistotle wrote:i just got a fee waiver from uchicago... good sign??


Well I don't think they'd send one to someone with uncompetitive numbers. Not sure how much you can read into it though.

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby Otunga » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:49 pm

drawstring wrote:
abdistotle wrote:i just got a fee waiver from uchicago... good sign??


Well I don't think they'd send one to someone with uncompetitive numbers. Not sure how much you can read into it though.


People with around my numbers have only even gotten in about a quarter of the time the past few cycles and I got one.

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Re: October 2013 LSAT test-takers down ~11% from previous Oct

Postby KevinP » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:56 pm

Here's the document for anyone who wants it: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/ ... s/lsat.pdf

Interesting part in the comments of http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2013/10 ... l#comments

"The Dean of Wash U Law School, Kent Syverud, gave a very compelling speech. He says 175 of 202 law schools are operating at a substantial deficit, and the pain is being felt across the board, not just at so-called "marginal" law schools. Applicant numbers, by LSAT score, support that comment. "




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