How to negate this statement?

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How to negate this statement?

Postby ioannisk » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:59 pm

How to negate this statement?

"If Murray did not have a felony convinction, he would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"

With statements like these, do you put the "not" into the sufficient or the necessary condition? Why?

How does ""If Murray did not have a felony convinction, he would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator" differ from ""If every person did not have a felony convinction, every person would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"?

For example, if you were to negate it, would you change it to ""If every person did not have a felony convinction, some persons would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"?

Or

""If some persons did not have a felony convinction, every person would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"?


Why? If i'm correct for either negation, why would I use the logical opposite "some" over using "not" to negate it?

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Re: How to negate this statement?

Postby JazzOne » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:18 pm

ioannisk wrote:How to negate this statement?

"If Murray did not have a felony convinction, he would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"

With statements like these, do you put the "not" into the sufficient or the necessary condition? Why?

How does ""If Murray did not have a felony convinction, he would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator" differ from ""If every person did not have a felony convinction, every person would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"?

For example, if you were to negate it, would you change it to ""If every person did not have a felony convinction, some persons would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"?

Or

""If some persons did not have a felony convinction, every person would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"?


Why? If i'm correct for either negation, why would I use the logical opposite "some" over using "not" to negate it?

Conditional statements are difficult to negate. Let's consider your first example:

No felony convictions for Murrary -> Murray accepted for position

Essentially, every conditional statement describes a relationship between two ideas. One is necessary, and one is sufficient. The negation of every conditional is simply that the necessary/sufficient relationship does NOT exist. To reference our example above, the negation would be: "Murray's lack of felony convictions does NOT necessarily guarantee that he will be accepted to the position.
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Re: How to negate this statement?

Postby JazzOne » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:20 pm

ioannisk wrote:How to negate this statement?

"If Murray did not have a felony convinction, he would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"

With statements like these, do you put the "not" into the sufficient or the necessary condition? Why?

How does ""If Murray did not have a felony convinction, he would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator" differ from ""If every person did not have a felony convinction, every person would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"?

For example, if you were to negate it, would you change it to ""If every person did not have a felony convinction, some persons would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"?

Or

""If some persons did not have a felony convinction, every person would be accepted for the position of Executive Adminstrator"?


Why? If i'm correct for either negation, why would I use the logical opposite "some" over using "not" to negate it?

Here's your second example, for clarification.

Every person has no felony convictions -> every person accepted to position

The negation could be stated: "If nobody has a felony conviction, that would NOT guarantee that every person is accepted to the position."
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Re: How to negate this statement?

Postby ioannisk » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:54 pm

thanks guys, makes perfect sense

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Re: How to negate this statement?

Postby iamgeorgebush » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:24 am

OP:

If you're looking to a way to negate it in the way that one negates an AC for a necessary assumption question and the statement "If Murray did not have a felony convinction, he would be accepted for the position of Executive Administrator" is the AC, then you might say "Murray did not have a felony conviction, and he was not be accepted for the position of Executive Administrator."

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Re: How to negate this statement?

Postby bp shinners » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:00 pm

Negating a conditional statement is essentially crossing out the arrow - the sufficient condition is no longer sufficient; the necessary condition is no longer necessary.

My go to example:
All blondes are dumb.
B-->D
But Julia Stiles went to Columbia, and Dolph Lundgren is an astrophysicist in his spare time (seriously). So my original condition must be wrong; i.e. I should negate it.

Would that be B-->Not D? Nope - Paris Hilton exists.

Instead, it would be, "Being blonde doesn't guarantee that you're dumb" or "A blonde person isn't necessarily dumb". Or any similar phrase.

For your example:
If Murray didn't have a felony conviction, he may or may not have been accepted as EA.




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