## can someone help me on this lr question? PT 30, sect 2, Q 21

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flash21

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### can someone help me on this lr question? PT 30, sect 2, Q 21

the new agriculture bill will almost surely fail to pass. the leaders ...

I am not sure why A is correct opposed to E. I picked A but I got a bit lucky I think because I can't even see the difference between the two answer choices. I googled and found a forum of ppl talking about it but I'm still confused.. anyone know this one?

Ambitious1

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### Re: can someone help me on this lr question? PT 30, sect 2, Q 21

Conclusion: Bill will not pass. Why? Because leaders of all major parties said they oppose it.

Go into answer choices with an idea of the flaw. Just because leaders of major parties oppose it, does that mean that it will necessarily fail? Maybe the other party members outnumber the leaders.

The stimulus is assuming some sort of causal explanation between the bill passing/failing and what leaders think. So you can think of this as leaders oppose (cause) ---> bill not pass (effect)

(A) strengthens this causal connection. Most bills that have not been supported by even one member have not been passed into law. Pretty much restates oppose ---> bill not pass

(E) Shows bill pass ---> ~leaders oppose (negated)

If the conclusion were dealing with conditional reasoning, and not causal, (E) would strengthen the argument. However, the author isn't using a conditional statement to support his conclusion. He is assuming a causal connection between leaders opposing the bill and its effect on whether it gets passed or not.

allsystemsgo

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### Re: can someone help me on this lr question? PT 30, sect 2, Q 21

I thought of this one in terms of categorical logic because of the 'most' statements.

From A most> B, we can only derive B some> A. We don't know anything about ~B (or ~A for that matter).

This is why answer AC E is incorrect. It states, Bills passed into law MOST> supported by at least one leader. What inferences can we squeeze from this? Bill supported by at least one leader SOME> passed into law. That's it.

AC A, on the other hand, tells us: Bill not supported by one leader MOST> not passed into law. This is exactly what we want. If we take the input given in the stimulus "leaders all oppose it" and plug into our categorical statement, we get the output that it will 'most likely not pass into law'. And that is the conclusion we want to support.

I don't know why this page doesn't show up on a google search, but it's more helpful than other forums I've found. http://www.manhattanlsat.com/forums/q21 ... -t822.html

flash21

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### Re: can someone help me on this lr question? PT 30, sect 2, Q 21

i think the credited response is "A"

Tetsuya0129

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### Re: can someone help me on this lr question? PT 30, sect 2, Q 21

Ambitious1 wrote:Conclusion: Bill will not pass. Why? Because leaders of all major parties said they oppose it.

Go into answer choices with an idea of the flaw. Just because leaders of major parties oppose it, does that mean that it will necessarily fail? Maybe the other party members outnumber the leaders.

The stimulus is assuming some sort of causal explanation between the bill passing/failing and what leaders think. So you can think of this as leaders oppose (cause) ---> bill not pass (effect)

(A) strengthens this causal connection. Most bills that have not been supported by even one member have not been passed into law. Pretty much restates oppose ---> bill not pass

(E) Shows bill pass ---> ~leaders oppose (negated)

If the conclusion were dealing with conditional reasoning, and not causal, (E) would strengthen the argument. However, the author isn't using a conditional statement to support his conclusion. He is assuming a causal connection between leaders opposing the bill and its effect on whether it gets passed or not.

Thanks, Ambitious1 for your great explanation. It helps a lot.

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