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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby tannerdb » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:03 pm

October 2013 first time taker still deciding between December or February.

I was PT'ing early 170s but froze in the LG and it affected my LR2 right after it.
During LG 3 I froze and thought : "This is the section that will keep me out of going to law school next year". Unfortunately it also rattled my LR2 after as a tiredness washed over me.

My breakdown for a 164 in Oct:
LR1: -2 (Usually -1/-0 for an easier LR section)
RC: -4 (realistic but not ideal, I usually PT -2/-3 for RC)
LG: -7 (guessed most in the last 2 LGs as I froze during LG3, had 5 mins left for LG4)
LR2:-7 (I guessed 5, got 2 guesses right, 4 were wrong that I didn't remember struggling with in the room, early questions too - probably nerves after LG)

You can probably imagine I felt alright the 15 min break and then felt quite bad during the writing section.
LR is my strongest section during PT (usually -4 combined) and LG is the one I have timing issues with, so I was surprised my LG wasn't even lower since I froze.

Realistically I need ~172 (to have a shot at the schools I want with the GPA I have), so I would have fallen short of my goal anyway.
Any thoughts? I am thinking about sitting for Feb if I have to. I ordered the LSAT trainer to get a fresh perspective and it will be here tomorrow.
I knew I would need to retake so actually studied LG for 8 days after the October session, but mentally it's been an uphill battle.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby bombaysippin » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:05 pm

bee wrote:
Bajam wrote:
bee wrote:watch as this disintegrates into waiters 2.0, with an occasional comment about rc strategy


I will gladly take comments about rc strategy...
-4 June....then with panic and fatigue -8 in October -_-;;

what's your central problem? timing?


Timing definitely. I try not to get stuck on any one question, but still happens. I used to annotate lots, but I seemed to have improved since I stopped notating/underlining as much. I don't know why, but I think my sentence before this sounds super awkward lol.
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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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PourMeTea wrote:2 tbls Synchro with 1/2 teaspoon maca. Sometimes I add in extra raw cacao because I am gourmande.


Haha we have raw cacao too so I'll definitely try that in a post-workout smoothie soon. Thanks for the tip!

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby cheme2014 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:10 pm

bee wrote:im going to PM you my long diatribe about RC timing, which i've given to several tlsers with pretty good results thus far


Would you mind PMing me, too? I need to work on RC timing as well. :/ (Thanks!)

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby snagglepuss » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:10 pm

Just poast it here, would you bee?
ETA: I sound like fucking yoda.
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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby drawstring » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:10 pm

dosto5 wrote:All I have is this damn non-spatial-awareness-increasing coffee.

What about going back to the passage during questions? Do you guys just do them from memory based on gut feeling? I've heard that referring back can be detrimental.


I think it depends on if you've memorized the information. If you're struggling to remember the info relevant to the question, it's probably worth the extra time to look at the passage. This is when having good notations can help you find the 'hot spots' of the passage more quickly.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby tannerdb » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:13 pm

bee wrote:
dosto5 wrote:
bee wrote:
dosto5 wrote:I need to tighten RC, honestly.

Do -0 scorers tend to just blast through the passage and hit the questions, or do you guys stop after each paragraph/after the passage and kind of think about the structure/where the info is located?

Pretty sure I need to be a less passive reader, but curious how others do it.

i read through the passage very fast, and basically limit my notations to brief sentences in the margins (besides stuff like boxing proper nouns, etc.). i dont consciously think about the structure or where info is located, but ive done enough rc at this point to automatically remember and analyze these things as i'm reading. it's all a function of practice.

dosto, have you gone through trainer rc notation/strategy yet?

eta: the ability to remember spatially where info is is EXTREMELY helpful. if you can somehow practice this ability, it will save you a LOT of time


Trainer came yesterday so I will probably go through RC either tonight after PT or tomorrow. Honestly your style doesn't sound too different from mine, so I guess I just need to pay more attention and practice. Surprised I pulled off -4 on PT70 because I was daydreaming while reading.


some helpful notations that ppl don't generally use but might find helpful:

1. HYP, EXP, etc. next to every hypothesis, experiment, etc. mentioned in the passage and underline the result/conclusion

2. if it's an obvious cause/effect structure, notate this by quickly writing x--> y

3. if the intro paragraph starts off by saying "there are 2 major approaches blah blah blah," mark (1) and (2) next to the spot where discussion of each approach begins. if there are subpoints to each approach mentioned within a paragraph, i usually divide the paragraph into pieces by drawing a horizontal line, so that if the q's ask about structure i can quickly see what's going on

4. always, always number lists of things. so if the passage says "there are 6 major characteristics of blah blah," write 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. right next to each characteristic

5. if a year is mentioned, write the year in the margin. lsac sometimes gets sassy and asks you q's like "before the 1870s, the major opposition to _____ consisted of which of the following?" a particularly good example of this is that fucking otter pelt passage which i still hate with every fiber of my being

that's all i can think of for now, but if you're having issues locating info in the passage, try to create your own personal system to make things quicker and easier on yourself


For the comparative passages, I like to a "tick A" and underline the noun or adjective whenever I see something that A and B agree on or mention in the same way.

I also put "new B" next to important new points that passage B points out. It helped me to answer those pesky "Author A and B would most likely agree/disagree" and "both passages mention" questions.

When I'm reading dense passages, I try to break it out in my mind when I'm reading and doing the "Tick 1/2/3" whenever they list methods to do something, and also during the dense passages I make sure to circle the start of the author's opinion and put Author. That way it helps me separate opinions as I find that the denser the passage, the more they like to ask you what the Author's thoughts and feelings are.

There are also quirky words that jump out at you, or call words that might repeat in two sentences so I sometimes circle them, and those are usually the ones where we get a question that asks which words best represents this idea, or which word is most like "X" word in the passage.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby tannerdb » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:15 pm

cheme2014 wrote:
bee wrote:im going to PM you my long diatribe about RC timing, which i've given to several tlsers with pretty good results thus far


Would you mind PMing me, too? I need to work on RC timing as well. :/ (Thanks!)



Would you mind PM'ing me on this too? Thanks a lot.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby bombaysippin » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:17 pm

snagglepuss wrote:Just poast it here, would you bee?
ETA: I sound like fucking yoda.


Actually loled at this....hahaha

And thanks Bee in advanced for pm/post.

Sigh...my parents have delegated me the designated candy giver outer. Can't study at all while sitting here with my laptop in front of my front door while kids keep popping up sporadically in front of me. They tricked me saying I only had to do it while they were at work.

At least the costumes are good though, but seeing a 5 year old kid dressed up as a character from The Purge http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2184339/?ref_=fn_al_tt_4 definitely creeped me out. Not trying to get a home invasion on Halloween.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby cheme2014 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:30 pm

bee wrote: Helpful stuff


Thanks! I'll definitely work toward the timing distribution next time I do RC sections.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby PrizeFighter » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:33 pm

bee wrote:
dosto5 wrote:All I have is this damn non-spatial-awareness-increasing coffee.

What about going back to the passage during questions? Do you guys just do them from memory based on gut feeling? I've heard that referring back can be detrimental.

i very rarely refer back to the passage, bc the strategic annotations that i use pretty much cement things in my head. i only refer back if the q asks specifically about a line.


+1

I blast through the questions from memory and come back at the very end to check questions I was unsure of to see if I can find hard evidence in the passage.

Edited after seeing Bee's very credited advice about coming back to questions at the end of an RC section. It is tough to get back into the mindset of a passage after leaving it, so there is a very serious diminishing return on time invested this way, which is why I only change answers if I am absolutely sure.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby PrizeFighter » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:45 pm

I just redid the LG section from PT70 with workplace distractions in 25 min and got -0, reminding me that October was an epic choke job. :oops:

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby drawstring » Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:48 pm

dosto5 wrote:I just hope PT71 doesn't have a passage that rivals the Dutch agriculture one; hardest one imo.


Noguchi is unbeatable imo.

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