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arunanona09 · Post by **arunanona09** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:18 pm

PotenC wrote:Checking in. Misbubbled the last section (offset by one) and went -12, with only -5 in all the other sections combined. Got a letter back from the LSAC handscoring department this morning that there was going to be no change.

How much of a detriment do you guys think applying at the end of December and two retakes is for top schools?

I've had this thought too. I talked to the pre law advisor at my school and she said that while apps are down this year (meaning it doesnt hurt you AS much to apply late), there is still some benefit to getting your apps in around thanksgiving/before christmas. I've had law schools counselors tell me that if you do submit your apps in nov/dec but note that you are planning to take december lsat, your app will just sit there. Anyone else have any thoughts?

PourMeTea · Post by **PourMeTea** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:18 pm

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PrizeFighter · Post by **PrizeFighter** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:20 pm

arunanona09 wrote:
PotenC wrote:Checking in. Misbubbled the last section (offset by one) and went -12, with only -5 in all the other sections combined. Got a letter back from the LSAC handscoring department this morning that there was going to be no change.

How much of a detriment do you guys think applying at the end of December and two retakes is for top schools?

I've had this thought too. I talked to the pre law advisor at my school and she said that while apps are down this year (meaning it doesnt hurt you AS much to apply late), there is still some benefit to getting your apps in around thanksgiving/before christmas. I've had law schools counselors tell me that if you do submit your apps in nov/dec but note that you are planning to take december lsat, your app will just sit there. Anyone else have any thoughts?

I doubt they look at apps if there is still a score incoming, but I'm going to try to have everything else complete before scores come out to hopefully be at the top of the heap when they do.

bound · Post by **bound** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:25 pm

Hello December Retakers. When are ya'll submitting your apps? I have an LSAT score from October 2012 but I'm taking this test again in December. I obviously want them to use my December score because I know that I will have a much better outcome this time. Should I wait until we get our scores in January? :/ I hate the thought of waiting that long but part of me thinks that it's best

dosto · Post by **dosto** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:27 pm

Fianna13 · Post by **Fianna13** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:28 pm

Mind if I join you guys for the review of 57 this Sunday?

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CookieDough · Post by **CookieDough** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:32 pm

action90 wrote:
CookieDough wrote:
action90 wrote:What kind of drills do people recommend using for RC? 8 minutes per passage? What about LR? I really dont have any LR problems with my approach, just seem to miss something while I'm in auto-pilot, something thats been extremely difficult for me to correct because when I work without timed or just look at questions, I can get em all right.

Edit: I also seem to miss a question or two due to timing on any LR that is above average difficulty and constantly struggle with RC timing.
I suggest giving yourself 30 minute sections to train timing. That and practice will make it go faster. I have the opposite problem and I finish 5-10 minutes early on some sections... Worked out ok in PTs but apparently I needed to slow down for test day.
Were you drilling with 30 minute sections or doing actual PTs and trying to get through in 30 minutes? Gonna use the trainer + 52-61 and am a little worried about how I'm gonna have time for drilling. Thinking about just skipping the trainers LG section as I'm already consistently -0 on PTs, -1 on 70.

I've done both. I seriously recommend getting used to not having a few minutes because a) you might blank and need a minute and b) idiot proctors have been known to call time early. You don't want to need the full 35 and only get 32.

arunanona09 · Post by **arunanona09** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:33 pm

PourMeTea wrote:
bee wrote:
PourMeTea wrote:
Fianna13 wrote:Mind if I join you guys for the review of 57 this Sunday?
Sure! It'll be around 8pm EST, I'll PM a link to interested parties this weekend.
do you want to use the same blackboard room we used in oct? or set up a new one?
We should use the same one! If it still works. Let's check it out.

I'll be taking 57 this weekend as well! Count me in

Nightingale · Post by **Nightingale** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:33 pm

I'm also interested in reviewing 57 on Sunday if you don't mind sending me the link!

CookieDough · Post by **CookieDough** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:34 pm

dosto5 wrote:
CookieDough wrote:
MinuetinG wrote:My Trainer should arrive today. Let's do this. My test was 6 points lower than PT. I think nerves hit me hard too. Now I know what to expect and will work on mental state.
In the same boat. How are you planning on working on the nerves? No idea how to keep calm about something that matters this much...
The initial nerves at the beginning usually go away for most people once they get into a rhythm and their comfort zone into the heart of the test (back into the PT mode you've been honing all these months). I think what kills people is coming across an odd section or a difficult game (or maybe even one question on a game) that just completely kills their flow. Naturally then you start to think about cancelling, bombing the entire test, etc etc. There's no magic solution but you really have to prep yourself mentally prior to the test in case this does happen; visualize a road block and how you want to react and move on. For one thing, erase all thoughts of "this matters so much" because that's just going to make things worse. Focus on one section at a time, once a section is over, stop thinking about it. Realize that stressing and flipping out is only going to hurt you, so catch yourself and stop yourself.

I know this is pretty evident stuff but there's no trick to dealing with nerves, you just have to work on your mental preparation.

For me, my nerves are shot leading up to the test (and obviously waiting for scores) but the day of I was fine. I honestly thought I was doing ok, which is somehow way more unsettling than thinking I was bombing...

arunanona09 · Post by **arunanona09** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:36 pm

CookieDough · Post by **CookieDough** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:37 pm

dosto5 wrote:
PourMeTea wrote: The sad thing is, it's easier said than done. I very, very clearly remember halfway through the first section thinking, "shit I need to cancel" and was totally unable to shake that mantra for the entire test.
Yeah I know it's extremely tough and probably the toughest part of the test for many people imo. But at least now you've been there, you've been in that situation, you've reacted the wrong way (kind of), and now you can use that experience to your advantage. Again these are a bunch of hollow words because they don't really give any substantive advice, but I still think that visualizing different test day situations and having a plan ready is a good idea. Anything you can fall back on in case something happens, really.

I also did PTs in ridiculous conditions to get used to being upset during a test. Really helped the day of to not get thrown. I'd probably suggest finding question types that are very difficult/strange for you and just drill them until you get used to being uncomfortable.

dosto · Post by **dosto** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:38 pm

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PrizeFighter · Post by **PrizeFighter** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:41 pm

CookieDough wrote: For me, my nerves are shot leading up to the test (and obviously waiting for scores) but the day of I was fine. I honestly thought I was doing ok, which is somehow way more unsettling than thinking I was bombing...

I know that feel. My LR sections felt so smooth at the time, so I was floored with the results. I've got to find a way to keep myself from going on autopilot.

arunanona09 · Post by **arunanona09** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:42 pm

bee wrote:
CookieDough wrote:
dosto5 wrote:
PourMeTea wrote: The sad thing is, it's easier said than done. I very, very clearly remember halfway through the first section thinking, "shit I need to cancel" and was totally unable to shake that mantra for the entire test.
Yeah I know it's extremely tough and probably the toughest part of the test for many people imo. But at least now you've been there, you've been in that situation, you've reacted the wrong way (kind of), and now you can use that experience to your advantage. Again these are a bunch of hollow words because they don't really give any substantive advice, but I still think that visualizing different test day situations and having a plan ready is a good idea. Anything you can fall back on in case something happens, really.
I also did PTs in ridiculous conditions to get used to being upset during a test. Really helped the day of to not get thrown. I'd probably suggest finding question types that are very difficult/strange for you and just drill them until you get used to being uncomfortable.
this is something i should've done in october, but i just didn't have the time. i'll definitely try to do this the second time around

My room/environment was terrible for october so ill definitely need to try this for december as well...prepare for the worst

tofuspeedstar · Post by **tofuspeedstar** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:43 pm

hmm.. I should try the beta blocker thing..but prescription?

CookieDough · Post by **CookieDough** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:45 pm

dosto5 wrote:
CookieDough wrote: For me, my nerves are shot leading up to the test (and obviously waiting for scores) but the day of I was fine. I honestly thought I was doing ok, which is somehow way more unsettling than thinking I was bombing...
This is the thing. There's a fine line between being a nervous wreck and not being focused enough. Some people lose their focus and end up being sloppy because they try too hard to relax; you really need to be locked in but calm. I think this is what happened to me during LR2; the break made me lose my edge and I think I got sloppy.

Pretty sure this is exactly what happened to me. I also think I'm going to avoid people day of next time. Talking to them really shook my focus during break.