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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby Otunga » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:57 pm

dosto5 wrote:
snagglepuss wrote:bet I can go sub-8:45 brute forcing it


Very likely, but needs to be done as part of full PT to be legit.

eta brute forcing is the only way to do this game.


Yeah, it's literally the final hurdle of the test, and what a task it is.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby snagglepuss » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:59 pm

dosto5 wrote:
snagglepuss wrote:I probably have terrible LG habits because I brute force like 37.5% of games, but it seems effective when nothing clicks up front. I'll get PTs 68 and 69 when/if I get through 43-66 (minus 60-62) and see what happens.


I actually brute force quite a bit because I usually end up seeing inferences as I'm working through the games as opposed to up front (unless it really clicks right away). I also practiced this way because I knew on the real thing my nerves would take away any patience I had to sit there and think before jumping in.

This is exactly what I do. I never stop my pencil from moving. At PT70 the instructor told me at break that he had never see anyone write so furiously (and probably loudly) in a test (I had the LG-LG setup), but I did both sections in ~23 minutes a piece.
ETA: I write my blanks in this really obnoxious way where it's like rapid fire dashing a line on the page.
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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby Otunga » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:00 pm

dosto5 wrote:
snagglepuss wrote:I probably have terrible LG habits because I brute force like 37.5% of games, but it seems effective when nothing clicks up front. I'll get PTs 68 and 69 when/if I get through 43-66 (minus 60-62) and see what happens.


I actually brute force quite a bit because I usually end up seeing inferences as I'm working through the games as opposed to up front (unless it really clicks right away). I also practiced this way because I knew on the real thing my nerves would take away any patience I had to sit there and think before jumping in.


I don't recall 70 LG having any big inferences anyway.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby Otunga » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:04 pm

I might've pulled off the sloppiest -0 LG of all time on 70. I skipped 2 questions on the theater game because for some reason I just couldn't get them in a timely fashion. I did the fourth game fairly fast, then went back to those and had some time to get them with a fresh perspective. Then I reviewed the rule sub q in the first game and spent the last minute or so I had and changed it to the right answer.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby snagglepuss » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:05 pm

dosto5 wrote:
Otunga wrote:
dosto5 wrote:
snagglepuss wrote:I probably have terrible LG habits because I brute force like 37.5% of games, but it seems effective when nothing clicks up front. I'll get PTs 68 and 69 when/if I get through 43-66 (minus 60-62) and see what happens.


I actually brute force quite a bit because I usually end up seeing inferences as I'm working through the games as opposed to up front (unless it really clicks right away). I also practiced this way because I knew on the real thing my nerves would take away any patience I had to sit there and think before jumping in.


I don't recall 70 LG having any big inferences anyway.


There was a grouping game in the experimental that could be solved in like 4/5 diagrams I think.

Yeah I framed one game, too. I've read in multiple places that newer tests have gone away from having so many game-breaking inferences, so I think (I'm sure every prep book disagrees) that brute force ability/speed is a nice skill to have. I attribute all of my LG success to being extremely fast and flexible.

Bee, I've -0'd both my LSAT LG's.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby cheme2014 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:06 pm

dosto5 wrote:There was a grouping game in the experimental that could be solved in like 4/5 diagrams I think.


+1

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby cheme2014 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:13 pm

Started off planning to drill a few AR sections but ended up drilling wayyy more than intended in order to put off LR/RC stuff. Ended up losing focus and getting a bit sloppy at the end, so not the best idea. :oops:

Question: How do you guys prefer to drill? I know a lot of y'all have mentioned the Cambridge packets, but I usually just go through multiple sections of the same type to get more general practice in. Hopefully this isn't a terrible idea... :|

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby snagglepuss » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:20 pm

bee wrote:
snagglepuss wrote:Bee, I've -0'd both my LSAT LG's.

mind if i ask if you ever used a formal strategy? or did it just click for you?

I have a diagramming system but from what I can tell it's a hybrid of manhattan and powerscore. But in addition to diagramming, I memorize and hold the rules in my mind (constantly revisiting them to see if their is any rule addition or interplay), which usually leads to a major inference when I'm answering the 2nd or 3rd question that breaks the game open. If an inference doesn't arise, I've already bruted some hypos on question 2 that will answer later questions (I place a major emphasis on never doing the same work or thought process twice [this requires keeping a really organized, legible LG page), so I see it as a win-win for me. I used to do the newspaper sudoku every morning in my college bio/chem lectures, so that built my pencil and brain speed, which surprisingly has carry over for LG skills.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby cheme2014 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:33 pm

snagglepuss wrote:I have a diagramming system but from what I can tell it's a hybrid of manhattan and powerscore. But in addition to diagramming, I memorize and hold the rules in my mind (constantly revisiting them to see if their is any rule addition or interplay), which usually leads to a major inference when I'm answering the 2nd or 3rd question that breaks the game open. If an inference doesn't arise, I've already bruted some hypos on question 2 that will answer later questions (I place a major emphasis on never doing the same work or thought process twice [this requires keeping a really organized, legible LG page), so I see it as a win-win for me. I used to do the newspaper sudoku every morning in my college bio/chem lectures, so that built my pencil and brain speed, which surprisingly has carry over for LG skills.


This. I used to do so much sudoku back in the day. I actually used a sudoku-ish setup for the dance partners game and finished it super fast lol.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby dosto » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:42 pm

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby CookieDough » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:57 pm

dosto5 wrote:Glazing over the LG chapters of the Trainer made me realize how happy I am to be over that part of the introductory LSAT learning curve.


+1

Lmao I did some of the drills so that I could feel "proud" of myself for knowing basic diagramming

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby becs » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:17 pm

bee wrote:a tlser was nice enough to send me an unexpected copy of the trainer, so i guess im belatedly hopping on to the bandwagon. however, i havent really been following along with the discussion and idk whether or not to use it if i'm only weak with lg. do you guys think i should go over lr/rc strategy if i'm at where i want to be? i've heard the lg part of the trainer is meh.


Honestly, I wouldn't mess with it. LR/RC is already your strength, why throw yourself off with something new? I'd just stick to LG. That's what I'm doing (but you know I just suck at LG sooo...)

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby becs » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:24 pm

dosto5 wrote:
becs wrote:
bee wrote:a tlser was nice enough to send me an unexpected copy of the trainer, so i guess im belatedly hopping on to the bandwagon. however, i havent really been following along with the discussion and idk whether or not to use it if i'm only weak with lg. do you guys think i should go over lr/rc strategy if i'm at where i want to be? i've heard the lg part of the trainer is meh.


Honestly, I wouldn't mess with it. LR/RC is already your strength, why throw yourself off with something new? I'd just stick to LG. That's what I'm doing (but you know I just suck at LG sooo...)


I don't think I'd mix LG methods at this point, and from what I've heard the Trainer is not the LG solution.


Oh, absolutely - sorry, what I meant was not to bother with the trainer at all, since it's only really helpful for LR/RC, and focus on LG however she was already doing.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby mellow » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:26 pm

One thing that really got me faster on LG was drawing out a few hypos using the biggest/most restrictive rules of the game. Sometimes I realize as I'm writing them out that there are only 4~5 possibilities and I draw the rest of them out. The questions take like a minute tops after.

drawstring wrote:How long before the test did you guys do your last PT or session of serious drilling?

A bit late on my answer, but I actually found taking a PT the day before did wonders for my nerves. I get really bad test day anxiety, but I felt fine during the Oct test. Taking PT69 on Friday made it feel like I was just taking PT70 the next day.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby foundingfather » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:48 pm

Quick question, I'm retaking in December and I'm going through the LSAT Trainer's 4 week study schedule.

How do you guys make copies of the 10 New Actuals book? I see that next week I should repeat certain sections from the PT I'm taking this Sunday.

Normally I would make copies at work but seeing as this is a book... should I just dismantle this thing?

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby mellow » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:53 pm

foundingfather wrote:Quick question, I'm retaking in December and I'm going through the LSAT Trainer's 4 week study schedule.

How do you guys make copies of the 10 New Actuals book? I see that next week I should repeat certain sections from the PT I'm taking this Sunday.

Normally I would make copies at work but seeing as this is a book... should I just dismantle this thing?

http://www.cambridgelsat.com/preptests/4-section/

and I think the LSAT Blog(?) also has downloadable versions. I too bought the physical copies before I found out what a waste of money that was.

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Re: December 2013 Retakers

Postby foundingfather » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:57 pm

melodygreenleaf wrote:
foundingfather wrote:Quick question, I'm retaking in December and I'm going through the LSAT Trainer's 4 week study schedule.

How do you guys make copies of the 10 New Actuals book? I see that next week I should repeat certain sections from the PT I'm taking this Sunday.

Normally I would make copies at work but seeing as this is a book... should I just dismantle this thing?

http://www.cambridgelsat.com/preptests/4-section/

and I think the LSAT Blog(?) also has downloadable versions. I too bought the physical copies before I found out what a waste of money that was.


Oh, wow. Thank you!




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