December 2013 LSAT Study Group

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:37 pm

PourMeTea wrote:
cookiecrisp wrote:Any thoughts on reading the stem before the stimulus? Good/bad?


Always. ALWAYS DO IT


Seriously. How do you know what your task is without reading the stem? If the question stem asks you, "What is the main point," you can just browse through all the content of the premise shit and just pay attention to structure. Once you identify the main point, circle your answer and move on. No need to think about what the potential flaws are or anything. This is one tool I didn't have on my previous LSATs.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby tofuspeedstar » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:25 pm

cookiecrisp wrote:Any thoughts on reading the stem before the stimulus? Good/bad?



Always. It saves time. After reading the stem you know what you need to look for. Versus if you read the stimulus first, then the stem you have to go back and see what's what.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby tbesancon » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:48 pm

Hey Fellow December test takers :) I'm joining the party. How many days do we have left?? can't wait to get this shit over with....again (Took june 2012).

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby argh » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:53 pm

Hey all,
First post, also checking in.
This is my first time around, I started studying a couple of weeks ago and I just started a testmasters course this week.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby toshiroh » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:31 pm

tbesancon wrote:Hey Fellow December test takers :) I'm joining the party. How many days do we have left?? can't wait to get this shit over with....again (Took june 2012).


I took in October 2012, so ready as well. Here's to our last time taking the test

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby toshiroh » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:32 pm

Thoughts on diagramming in LR. I didn't do any diagramming in LR on my last test because I felt it took to much time. Does anyone here diagram the heavy conditional statement questions?

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby cookiecrisp » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:06 pm

tbesancon wrote:Hey Fellow December test takers :) I'm joining the party. How many days do we have left?? can't wait to get this shit over with....again (Took june 2012).


60 days.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby tbesancon » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:21 pm

toshiroh wrote:
tbesancon wrote:Hey Fellow December test takers :) I'm joining the party. How many days do we have left?? can't wait to get this shit over with....again (Took june 2012).


I took in October 2012, so ready as well. Here's to our last time taking the test



Thank God! Are you applying this cycle as well?

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby tbesancon » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:22 pm

cookiecrisp wrote:
tbesancon wrote:Hey Fellow December test takers :) I'm joining the party. How many days do we have left?? can't wait to get this shit over with....again (Took june 2012).


60 days.



I wish we could speed it up.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby toshiroh » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:24 pm

tbesancon wrote:
toshiroh wrote:
tbesancon wrote:Hey Fellow December test takers :) I'm joining the party. How many days do we have left?? can't wait to get this shit over with....again (Took june 2012).


I took in October 2012, so ready as well. Here's to our last time taking the test



Thank God! Are you applying this cycle as well?


Yes, I am, ready to get it all over with.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby Miracle » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:03 pm

Does anyone have any tips for improving on must be true/inference question? I always get every must be true/inference question wrong.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby vicpin5190 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:11 pm

Miracle wrote:Does anyone have any tips for improving on must be true/inference question? I always get every must be true/inference question wrong.


i'm hit and miss on them as well, but i've found they are often conditional statements or based off formal logic, so the answer that must be true is either like an extension of the conditionals or a contrapositive of an inference. Or it tests how well you know formal logic relationships. I tend to get thumped on these when it presents a lot of statements and forces you to weed out one of them in the answer choices.

someone let me know if i'm right on this or how off i am...you may help me too!

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby Balthy » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:06 pm

Joining.

I know we don't have to worry about this for a while, but what are your guys' plans for the final week of prep? I feel like both of the most common approaches (tapering down/relaxing vs. making no changes at all) both make sense, so I'm not so sure what to do. For October I relaxed a lot the final week and I'm not so sure it helped me. Maybe this is a very person-specific issue.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby TheMostDangerousLG » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:55 pm

vicpin5190 wrote:
Miracle wrote:Does anyone have any tips for improving on must be true/inference question? I always get every must be true/inference question wrong.


i'm hit and miss on them as well, but i've found they are often conditional statements or based off formal logic, so the answer that must be true is either like an extension of the conditionals or a contrapositive of an inference. Or it tests how well you know formal logic relationships. I tend to get thumped on these when it presents a lot of statements and forces you to weed out one of them in the answer choices.

someone let me know if i'm right on this or how off i am...you may help me too!


Must be true questions turned around for me when I started thinking about them like logic game questions. In the same way that LG Qs that ask "Which must be true" mean MUST be true, i.e., CANNOT BE FALSE, these questions are asking for what necessarily logically follows from the stimulus. So all of the ACs you read that could be true, or even probably are true, are not right. You need to choose the AC that is by default true, if you accept everything in the stimulus to be true. Don't bring in any logic. Read the stimulus like a robot, compute, and instantly rule out anything that you don't know *has* to be true from the ACs.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby JustHawkin » Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:53 pm

Checking in.
Would love to be able to be able to get a real study group/partner going IRL.
Anyone from New England?

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby Miracle » Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:25 pm

TheMostDangerousLG wrote:
vicpin5190 wrote:
Miracle wrote:Does anyone have any tips for improving on must be true/inference question? I always get every must be true/inference question wrong.


i'm hit and miss on them as well, but i've found they are often conditional statements or based off formal logic, so the answer that must be true is either like an extension of the conditionals or a contrapositive of an inference. Or it tests how well you know formal logic relationships. I tend to get thumped on these when it presents a lot of statements and forces you to weed out one of them in the answer choices.

someone let me know if i'm right on this or how off i am...you may help me too!


Must be true questions turned around for me when I started thinking about them like logic game questions. In the same way that LG Qs that ask "Which must be true" mean MUST be true, i.e., CANNOT BE FALSE, these questions are asking for what necessarily logically follows from the stimulus. So all of the ACs you read that could be true, or even probably are true, are not right. You need to choose the AC that is by default true, if you accept everything in the stimulus to be true. Don't bring in any logic. Read the stimulus like a robot, compute, and instantly rule out anything that you don't know *has* to be true from the ACs.


Thank you for trying to help, however I still don't understand it. I feel like you have to be focused when you attempt these questions, and despite focusing extensively I still get lost. I don't know what to look for, and everything looks the same. Honestly I can spend up to 5-6 minutes on these questions (per question), and i still get it wrong. I don't know why i don't get it, why its not connecting for me.

I did ten questions today (difficulty level 1). I spent an hour on them; digesting, trying to understand and I still got them wrong.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby vicpin5190 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:42 pm

PT 64 today after work. Had to hold strong despite a long day with a deadline looming, but overall went pretty well i guess, still a little bit frustrated.

Scored 164, Going -7 LR#1, -3 LG's (2 careless errors, still kicking myself over), -5 LR#2, -7 RC.

Keep on this grind, still pretty far off where i want to be.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby fips tedora » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:29 am

Not feeling well most definitely affects your performance...never taking a preptest with a stuffy nose and head cold ever again.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby Hotguy » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:30 am

MTH2 wrote:Not feeling well most definitely affects your performance...never taking a preptest with a stuffy nose and head cold ever again.

Oh yeah, what if u have a stuffy nose and head cold on test day?

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby fips tedora » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:34 am

Hotguy wrote:
MTH2 wrote:Not feeling well most definitely affects your performance...never taking a preptest with a stuffy nose and head cold ever again.

Oh yeah, what if u have a stuffy nose and head cold on test day?

Walk out and cancel duh bro, but that's not going to happen, I just changed climates recently and it's taking some time to get adjusted. I'm rarely ever sick or under the weather.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby Hotguy » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:35 am

MTH2 wrote:
Hotguy wrote:
MTH2 wrote:Not feeling well most definitely affects your performance...never taking a preptest with a stuffy nose and head cold ever again.

Oh yeah, what if u have a stuffy nose and head cold on test day?

Walk out and cancel duh bro, but that's not going to happen, I just changed climates recently and it's taking some time to get adjusted. I'm rarely ever sick or under the weather.

Keep a stack of vit c for the last few weeks of prep

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby fips tedora » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:37 am

Hotguy wrote:
MTH2 wrote:
Hotguy wrote:
MTH2 wrote:Not feeling well most definitely affects your performance...never taking a preptest with a stuffy nose and head cold ever again.

Oh yeah, what if u have a stuffy nose and head cold on test day?

Walk out and cancel duh bro, but that's not going to happen, I just changed climates recently and it's taking some time to get adjusted. I'm rarely ever sick or under the weather.

Keep a stack of vit c for the last few weeks of prep

Most definitely, I take multivitamins everyday regardless. I think it's mostly just the pollen count and dust are insane since a lot of farmers are harvesting around my weekday house.

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Re: December 2013 LSAT Study Group

Postby goldenboy514 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:38 am

superdingle2000 wrote:Joining.

I know we don't have to worry about this for a while, but what are your guys' plans for the final week of prep? I feel like both of the most common approaches (tapering down/relaxing vs. making no changes at all) both make sense, so I'm not so sure what to do. For October I relaxed a lot the final week and I'm not so sure it helped me. Maybe this is a very person-specific issue.


Took october 13 and definately tapered off in last week or so. Dont recommend this IMO. was pting once or twice a week before, and took last pt about 8 days before the real thing. When I got to the test i felt the test seemed extremely foreign to me. If this is your first test and you didnt take many pts, then maybe ease off so you lose the jitters. But if your a retaker, and/or youve taken enough pts...i see no reason to taper off at the end. Just my opinion, would have felt more comfortable if I did a PT 2 days before real thing. If you dont wanna score that last PT so you dont have a soul crushing experience, fair enough.




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