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Did you mean AA male?

Hotguy wrote: I'm at a 3.6 urm(mother European, grandfather mex, and I was born in the us, go figure) do I even have a shot at HYS? Still applying regardless, as long as I don't fuck up on the lsat.

Big boost. Check this out http://admissionsbythenumbers.blogspot. ... dians.html

lhn5007 wrote:

Hotguy wrote: I'm at a 3.6 urm(mother European, grandfather mex, and I was born in the us, go figure) do I even have a shot at HYS? Still applying regardless, as long as I don't fuck up on the lsat.

Big boost. Check this out http://admissionsbythenumbers.blogspot. ... dians.html

Shiiett.. that's a huge boost. More motivated to kill the lsat now, might even settle for a 179 instead of 180 lol jk
But I never thought I had a real shot at HYS without at least a 3.8..

As far as 7sage goes, I'm always in the mindset that if it can increase maybe even one point it is worth it. Haven't done any lessons yet, but looks promising.

Hi guys! I was registered for the October test but switched to December last minute. Retaker. I've been working through the Manhattan guides - finished LR, almost done with LG. Currently drilling games by type using the Powerscore workbook. Not getting many wrong, but ugh, am I ungodly slow. I just have to keep reminding myself with practice I WILL get timing down again, lol. That's what I get for not retaking right away!

Working full-time as well so I've been doing 5pm-8/9pm chunks in the library most weeknights and 2-4 hours on weekend afternoons. I am SO TIRED ALL THE TIME lol.

wealtheow wrote:Hi guys! I was registered for the October test but switched to December last minute. Retaker. I've been working through the Manhattan guides - finished LR, almost done with LG. Currently drilling games by type using the Powerscore workbook. Not getting many wrong, but ugh, am I ungodly slow. I just have to keep reminding myself with practice I WILL get timing down again, lol. That's what I get for not retaking right away!

Working full-time as well so I've been doing 5pm-8/9pm chunks in the library most weeknights and 2-4 hours on weekend afternoons. I am SO TIRED ALL THE TIME lol.

I'm with you there. it's a vicious cycle. I work 8 to 5/6 depending on the day, hour, season, how my boss is feeling, etc. get back home and immediately grab my materials, go to a library or starbucks, down a coffee and study 2-5 hours, then i can't sleep because i just had coffee at 7pm, so i don't fall asleep til 2 or 3, wake up at 7 to get to work, drink coffee to stay awake worrying all day about how i really should be studying, and then the cycle repeats.

TLDR: I drink coffee all the time and don't sleep because work is getting in the way of lsat studying.

I usually put in a solid 5 to 6 hours on weekend days though...and sleep some....

wealtheow wrote:Hi guys! I was registered for the October test but switched to December last minute. Retaker. I've been working through the Manhattan guides - finished LR, almost done with LG. Currently drilling games by type using the Powerscore workbook. Not getting many wrong, but ugh, am I ungodly slow. I just have to keep reminding myself with practice I WILL get timing down again, lol. That's what I get for not retaking right away!

Working full-time as well so I've been doing 5pm-8/9pm chunks in the library most weeknights and 2-4 hours on weekend afternoons. I am SO TIRED ALL THE TIME lol.

Welcome to the study group!

As far as LG timing goes, seriously consider a couple of things:
Are you getting all the necessary inferences before tackling the questions?
Are you spending too much time getting unnecessary inferences before moving to the questions?
Are you using different tactics for different question types?
Are you using hypos for past answers in order to help you with the new ones?
Have you considered, when possible, making more than one diagram for limited games?
Do you give yourself necessary time, aside from diagramming to intimately understand how the game is supposed to work in your head?

Aside from that, after ps lg go for the Manhattan lg, huge help.

vicpin5190 wrote:

wealtheow wrote:Hi guys! I was registered for the October test but switched to December last minute. Retaker. I've been working through the Manhattan guides - finished LR, almost done with LG. Currently drilling games by type using the Powerscore workbook. Not getting many wrong, but ugh, am I ungodly slow. I just have to keep reminding myself with practice I WILL get timing down again, lol. That's what I get for not retaking right away!

Working full-time as well so I've been doing 5pm-8/9pm chunks in the library most weeknights and 2-4 hours on weekend afternoons. I am SO TIRED ALL THE TIME lol.

I'm with you there. it's a vicious cycle. I work 8 to 5/6 depending on the day, hour, season, how my boss is feeling, etc. get back home and immediately grab my materials, go to a library or starbucks, down a coffee and study 2-5 hours, then i can't sleep because i just had coffee at 7pm, so i don't fall asleep til 2 or 3, wake up at 7 to get to work, drink coffee to stay awake worrying all day about how i really should be studying, and then the cycle repeats.

TLDR: I drink coffee all the time and don't sleep because work is getting in the way of lsat studying.

I usually put in a solid 5 to 6 hours on weekend days though...and sleep some....

I am in the same boat as you guys! After work does anyone ever turn into a zombie and nothing clicks while reading/drilling? I feel like I need a breather between work and studying. After work I immediately go to my campus bookstore to study. Feel like I need to watch some tv or something in between to distract my mind and recharge cause I have nothing left. Do you guys do anything in between to give your brain a break? How do you get rid of that burnout feeling? Haha

lhn5007 wrote:

vicpin5190 wrote:

wealtheow wrote:Hi guys! I was registered for the October test but switched to December last minute. Retaker. I've been working through the Manhattan guides - finished LR, almost done with LG. Currently drilling games by type using the Powerscore workbook. Not getting many wrong, but ugh, am I ungodly slow. I just have to keep reminding myself with practice I WILL get timing down again, lol. That's what I get for not retaking right away!

Working full-time as well so I've been doing 5pm-8/9pm chunks in the library most weeknights and 2-4 hours on weekend afternoons. I am SO TIRED ALL THE TIME lol.

I'm with you there. it's a vicious cycle. I work 8 to 5/6 depending on the day, hour, season, how my boss is feeling, etc. get back home and immediately grab my materials, go to a library or starbucks, down a coffee and study 2-5 hours, then i can't sleep because i just had coffee at 7pm, so i don't fall asleep til 2 or 3, wake up at 7 to get to work, drink coffee to stay awake worrying all day about how i really should be studying, and then the cycle repeats.

TLDR: I drink coffee all the time and don't sleep because work is getting in the way of lsat studying.

I usually put in a solid 5 to 6 hours on weekend days though...and sleep some....

I am in the same boat as you guys! After work does anyone ever turn into a zombie and nothing clicks while reading/drilling? I feel like I need a breather between work and studying. After work I immediately go to my campus bookstore to study. Feel like I need to watch some tv or something in between to distract my mind and recharge cause I have nothing left. Do you guys do anything in between to give your brain a break? How do you get rid of that burnout feeling? Haha

I'm not on the same boat as you guys, but for me, personally, watching tv tires me out more than charging my studying battery. For me what does best is napping, even if only like 20 minutes, or just closing my eyes and trying to relax. Not sure if that's possible to you.

vicpin5190 wrote: I'm with you there. it's a vicious cycle. I work 8 to 5/6 depending on the day, hour, season, how my boss is feeling, etc. get back home and immediately grab my materials, go to a library or starbucks, down a coffee and study 2-5 hours, then i can't sleep because i just had coffee at 7pm, so i don't fall asleep til 2 or 3, wake up at 7 to get to work, drink coffee to stay awake worrying all day about how i really should be studying, and then the cycle repeats.

TLDR: I drink coffee all the time and don't sleep because work is getting in the way of lsat studying.

I usually put in a solid 5 to 6 hours on weekend days though...and sleep some....

hahaha this was like reading my own internal daily dialogue. i literally ruminate ALL DAY (and night) about how should be studying, how i should get some rest, how i must look like some kind of vagrant because i've got like 80 bags in my car full of a change of clothes and study materials, blah blah blah i'm a tool.

honestly my increasing concern is that fatigue will be a problem on test day. mostly what i'm getting wrong lately amount to misreads/misbubbles, which I KNOW are from being tired. still thinking on how to fix this.

probably going to bed would be super effective.

lhn5007 wrote:

vicpin5190 wrote:

wealtheow wrote:Hi guys! I was registered for the October test but switched to December last minute. Retaker. I've been working through the Manhattan guides - finished LR, almost done with LG. Currently drilling games by type using the Powerscore workbook. Not getting many wrong, but ugh, am I ungodly slow. I just have to keep reminding myself with practice I WILL get timing down again, lol. That's what I get for not retaking right away!

Working full-time as well so I've been doing 5pm-8/9pm chunks in the library most weeknights and 2-4 hours on weekend afternoons. I am SO TIRED ALL THE TIME lol.

I'm with you there. it's a vicious cycle. I work 8 to 5/6 depending on the day, hour, season, how my boss is feeling, etc. get back home and immediately grab my materials, go to a library or starbucks, down a coffee and study 2-5 hours, then i can't sleep because i just had coffee at 7pm, so i don't fall asleep til 2 or 3, wake up at 7 to get to work, drink coffee to stay awake worrying all day about how i really should be studying, and then the cycle repeats.

TLDR: I drink coffee all the time and don't sleep because work is getting in the way of lsat studying.

I usually put in a solid 5 to 6 hours on weekend days though...and sleep some....

I am in the same boat as you guys! After work does anyone ever turn into a zombie and nothing clicks while reading/drilling? I feel like I need a breather between work and studying. After work I immediately go to my campus bookstore to study. Feel like I need to watch some tv or something in between to distract my mind and recharge cause I have nothing left. Do you guys do anything in between to give your brain a break? How do you get rid of that burnout feeling? Haha

My routine to get me "in the zone" is that when I go to starbucks I'll order my drink and something to eat and then i'll spend like 20-30 minutes reading a newspaper or surfing the internet and sipping my coffee, and then to warm up and get into an LSAT mind set, i do a few hard logic games, usally 2 to 3, the first untimed and the next 2 timed. This seems to help me transition. Other days i go for a run after work to get the juices flowing again, but the consistency in all this is doing those logic games as a warm up.

lhn5007 wrote:
I am in the same boat as you guys! After work does anyone ever turn into a zombie and nothing clicks while reading/drilling? I feel like I need a breather between work and studying. After work I immediately go to my campus bookstore to study. Feel like I need to watch some tv or something in between to distract my mind and recharge cause I have nothing left. Do you guys do anything in between to give your brain a break? How do you get rid of that burnout feeling? Haha

THIS. zombie is exactly it.

usually the first half hour of studying i do post-work seems worthless, like i'm slogging through muck. then things usually click back on and i'm good for a couple of hours. so i guess it amounts to a warm-up?

thankfully oftentimes all it takes for me to get re-energized is a quick walk outside. i work inside, no windows, office setting, which is a little suffocating. a breath of fresh air goes a long way.

sometimes a workout immediately after work helps too. (although there are occasions where this does the exact opposite, so abiding the body's cues is important)

oh and a quick music sess. with some stuff i know will get me pumped always helps! (britney's work B**** is oddly motivating right now)

unfortunately i have found that if i don't study fairly soon after work, things keep interfering - supper, errands, oh Iron Man 2 is on TV, etc. if I haven't started studying by 9, it's usually game over for me and i pass out. so in my case i've learned that the "re-energize" window shouldn't exceed an hour and a half.

if I were you i would just try it for a couple days - taking a short break to watch tv, etc. whatever, finding out how much time you have to spare - and see if that helps with the zombiebrain!

Hotguy wrote: Welcome to the study group!

As far as LG timing goes, seriously consider a couple of things:
Are you getting all the necessary inferences before tackling the questions?
Are you spending too much time getting unnecessary inferences before moving to the questions?
Are you using different tactics for different question types?
Are you using hypos for past answers in order to help you with the new ones?
Have you considered, when possible, making more than one diagram for limited games?
Do you give yourself necessary time, aside from diagramming to intimately understand how the game is supposed to work in your head?

Aside from that, after ps lg go for the Manhattan lg, huge help.

thanks for the tips! last one i definitely need to work on, i usually gun it on diagramming and need to learn to slow down.
i am going to be re-visiting the Powerscore LG. i found Manhattan LR to be more intuitive for me than Powerscore
LR and i was hoping it would be the same case with the Manhattan LG... no so much... i like their "big pause" suggestion, and have picked up some great diagramming habits, but i tried their grouping diagramming method, and good god, that did NOT compute. have never got so many wrong as the game i tried using that on...wish i could unsee it.

wealtheow wrote:

Hotguy wrote: Welcome to the study group!

As far as LG timing goes, seriously consider a couple of things:
Are you getting all the necessary inferences before tackling the questions?
Are you spending too much time getting unnecessary inferences before moving to the questions?
Are you using different tactics for different question types?
Are you using hypos for past answers in order to help you with the new ones?
Have you considered, when possible, making more than one diagram for limited games?
Do you give yourself necessary time, aside from diagramming to intimately understand how the game is supposed to work in your head?

Aside from that, after ps lg go for the Manhattan lg, huge help.

thanks for the tips! last one i definitely need to work on, i usually gun it on diagramming and need to learn to slow down.
i am going to be re-visiting the Powerscore LG. i found Manhattan LR to be more intuitive for me than Powerscore
LR and i was hoping it would be the same case with the Manhattan LG... no so much... i like their "big pause" suggestion, and have picked up some great diagramming habits, but i tried their grouping diagramming method, and good god, that did NOT compute. have never got so many wrong as the game i tried using that on...wish i could unsee it.

You could try the lsat trainer. I liked it a lot - but your case seems to be lack of practice and not method.. Drill, baby drill.

wealtheow wrote:(britney's work B**** is oddly motivating right now)

LOL alright. I'm on it.

Omg you guys are crazy to be working full-time. You should really really really consider switching to part-time even if it means eating Ramen noodles til December.

vicpin5190 wrote:

wealtheow wrote:Hi guys! I was registered for the October test but switched to December last minute. Retaker. I've been working through the Manhattan guides - finished LR, almost done with LG. Currently drilling games by type using the Powerscore workbook. Not getting many wrong, but ugh, am I ungodly slow. I just have to keep reminding myself with practice I WILL get timing down again, lol. That's what I get for not retaking right away!

Working full-time as well so I've been doing 5pm-8/9pm chunks in the library most weeknights and 2-4 hours on weekend afternoons. I am SO TIRED ALL THE TIME lol.

I'm with you there. it's a vicious cycle. I work 8 to 5/6 depending on the day, hour, season, how my boss is feeling, etc. get back home and immediately grab my materials, go to a library or starbucks, down a coffee and study 2-5 hours, then i can't sleep because i just had coffee at 7pm, so i don't fall asleep til 2 or 3, wake up at 7 to get to work, drink coffee to stay awake worrying all day about how i really should be studying, and then the cycle repeats.

TLDR: I drink coffee all the time and don't sleep because work is getting in the way of lsat studying.

I usually put in a solid 5 to 6 hours on weekend days though...and sleep some....

THIS, SO MUCH THIS

dasani13 wrote:Omg you guys are crazy to be working full-time. You should really really really consider switching to part-time even if it means eating Ramen noodles til December.

A house of ramen noodles wouldn't last in a northeastern winter.

No idea how or why it happened but I've suddenly improved TREMENDOUSLY on LR.

Youppi! wrote:No idea how or why it happened but I've suddenly improved TREMENDOUSLY on LR.

Blame god* for such a tragic thing!

*note: I'm not religious. Sorry religious people.

dasani13 wrote:Omg you guys are crazy to be working full-time. You should really really really consider switching to part-time even if it means eating Ramen noodles til December.

if only it were this simple haha

Hotguy wrote:

Youppi! wrote:No idea how or why it happened but I've suddenly improved TREMENDOUSLY on LR.

Blame god* for such a tragic thing!

*note: I'm not religious. Sorry religious people.

I took several months away from them and came back with a greater understanding. Yes, from providence high above.

vicpin5190 wrote:

dasani13 wrote:Omg you guys are crazy to be working full-time. You should really really really consider switching to part-time even if it means eating Ramen noodles til December.

if only it were this simple haha

lol it's definitely not as simple as it sounds but it's the right thing to do in my opinion.

dasani13 wrote:

vicpin5190 wrote:

dasani13 wrote:Omg you guys are crazy to be working full-time. You should really really really consider switching to part-time even if it means eating Ramen noodles til December.

if only it were this simple haha

lol it's definitely not as simple as it sounds but it's the right thing to do in my opinion.

that would be ideal, yes. i feel like you can get away with that a few years after college but i'm in my late twenties so there is really no way for me to justify it personally - i'd think it would raise some eyebrows, even for adcoms. also i'd default on all my bills which isn't really my style haha.

wealtheow wrote:

dasani13 wrote:

vicpin5190 wrote:

dasani13 wrote:Omg you guys are crazy to be working full-time. You should really really really consider switching to part-time even if it means eating Ramen noodles til December.

if only it were this simple haha

lol it's definitely not as simple as it sounds but it's the right thing to do in my opinion.

that would be ideal, yes. i feel like you can get away with that a few years after college but i'm in my late twenties so there is really no way for me to justify it personally - i'd think it would raise some eyebrows, even for adcoms. also i'd default on all my bills which isn't really my style haha.

Well that would depend on how much it (working less/studying more) would help your score. I think if it helped you enough to bring your score above their 75%, they wouldn't care that you worked less for a few months to focus on the apps. (Would they even have to know?) But, of course, this is all way too conditional for there to be a correct way for everyone.

dasani13 wrote:Well that would depend on how much it (working less/studying more) would help your score. I think if it helped you enough to bring your score above their 75%, they wouldn't care that you worked less for a few months to focus on the apps. (Would they even have to know?) But, of course, this is all way too conditional for there to be a correct way for everyone.

I agree on the conditionality of it. In my own case, my scores have actually improved now that I have a full-time job. Last time I was working part time while studying, and a time crunch has forced me to be far more concise and productive with my studying. But I can definitely appreciate how that would not be the case for everyone.