The Official June 2014 Study Group

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby dardardelight » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:04 pm

I heavily dislike all the high GPA-ers out there right now . But then again, I did absolutely nothing in college except for laboring over a nagging girlfriend, playing super-smash / catan / fifa , ordering pizza, and usually the other thing that goes along with those last two things.

I'm bound to be paying sticker with a 3.3. WaltGrace knows what's at stake -- you seemed destined for scholarship money with your GPA and should definitely take all the time you need to ace that LSAT.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby WaltGrace83 » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:08 pm

dardardelight wrote:I heavily dislike all the high GPA-ers out there right now . But then again, I did absolutely nothing in college except for laboring over a nagging girlfriend, playing super-smash / catan / fifa , ordering pizza, and usually the other thing that goes along with those last two things.


And everyone gave me shit because I was staying in, writing, studying, and exercising :lol: . When I got my final transcript in January it was a great moment knowing that 3.5 years of misery paid off. I probably didn't get as much out of college as I wanted but I feel like I didn't miss as much as people thought I did. I was just never the going out to party, drinking, smoking type of person (not saying that anyone here is, I'm just saying). I just never understood why some people at my college didn't take it seriously. Since entering college, I was just....different. Yet I still got dates.....I don't understand my life.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:37 pm

WaltGrace83 wrote:
dardardelight wrote:I heavily dislike all the high GPA-ers out there right now . But then again, I did absolutely nothing in college except for laboring over a nagging girlfriend, playing super-smash / catan / fifa , ordering pizza, and usually the other thing that goes along with those last two things.


And everyone gave me shit because I was staying in, writing, studying, and exercising :lol: . When I got my final transcript in January it was a great moment knowing that 3.5 years of misery paid off. I probably didn't get as much out of college as I wanted but I feel like I didn't miss as much as people thought I did. I was just never the going out to party, drinking, smoking type of person (not saying that anyone here is, I'm just saying). I just never understood why some people at my college didn't take it seriously. Since entering college, I was just....different. Yet I still got dates.....I don't understand my life.


Well it definitely paid off for law school admissions. Half the time I think I want to go to law school just to see my GPA matter for something.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:24 am

dardardelight wrote:Idunno .. I seem fine with Leigh9190210 putting her picture up on


912198972. But thank you.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby tfinndogm » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:02 am

I've accepted that no score will actually offset my low GPA. let's just hope that my STELLAR work experience makes up for it... (rolling my eyes SO hard right now)

plus, the government already owns my ass with UG loans, so PILE EM ON.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby santoki » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:11 am

So has anyone tried the "Difficult Questions" bundle? I'm wondering if that is the way to go for me as those [surprisingly] seem to be my downfall. I feel like poring over difficult question after difficult question will condition me in a positive way. Thoughts?

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Postby tfinndogm » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:16 am

santoki wrote:So has anyone tried the "Difficult Questions" bundle? I'm wondering if that is the way to go for me as those [surprisingly] seem to be my downfall. I feel like poring over difficult question after difficult question will condition me in a positive way. Thoughts?


I thought about this too, but then WaltGrace's (figurative) voice popped into my head saying: "you need the fundamentals first!"

so I refrained. Also, I'm really creeped out that someone in a forum is now influencing me to that point. :shock:

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby santoki » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:01 am

tfinndogm wrote:
santoki wrote:So has anyone tried the "Difficult Questions" bundle? I'm wondering if that is the way to go for me as those [surprisingly] seem to be my downfall. I feel like poring over difficult question after difficult question will condition me in a positive way. Thoughts?


I thought about this too, but then WaltGrace's (figurative) voice popped into my head saying: "you need the fundamentals first!"

so I refrained. Also, I'm really creeped out that someone in a forum is now influencing me to that point. :shock:


I think fundamentals for me are alright, it's just about those last 3-4 questions per section that might trip me up at this point. :cry:

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby agalfano » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:42 pm

I feel that numerous books do well with formal logic, and I have it crammed into my head in the IF/Then format...
I also understand the types that are except/unless/etc.
But.... how do you guys understand the types of conditional logic that is not in this sense? This may seem like a dumb, obvious question but I would just like to know how you guys distinguish questions as being conditional. Sometimes I come across tough questions and I miss them, but realize if I used conditional logic they would have been easier.. thanks!

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby Learn_Live_Hope » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:51 pm

http://theweek.com/article/index/260112 ... law-school

Articles like these are bothersome… :|

If someone needs something to read during a break this should be an interesting read :?

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Postby rebexness » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:53 pm

Learn_Live_Hope wrote:http://theweek.com/article/index/260112/the-case-for-killing-law-school

Articles like these are bothersome… :|

If someone needs something to read during a break this should be an interesting read :?


Interesting/vomit inducing.

Just what we need, a more saturated legal market.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby tfinndogm » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:07 pm

rebexness wrote:
Learn_Live_Hope wrote:http://theweek.com/article/index/260112/the-case-for-killing-law-school

Articles like these are bothersome… :|

If someone needs something to read during a break this should be an interesting read :?


Interesting/vomit inducing.

Just what we need, a more saturated legal market.


"By making it easier to become a lawyer, we could undermine this malicious dynamic" - Uhm. Is this satire? Making it "easier" to enter ANY profession is the adult equivalent of "everyone gets a trophy".

"This sounds extreme, but it's actually what almost every other profession is like." - I'm gonna go ahead and say if you make it as easy as possible to crank out lawyers, they no longer become true professionals. No one would accept this rhetoric if this guy was writing about professors or doctors.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby Learn_Live_Hope » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:15 pm

tfinndogm wrote:
rebexness wrote:
Learn_Live_Hope wrote:http://theweek.com/article/index/260112/the-case-for-killing-law-school

Articles like these are bothersome… :|

If someone needs something to read during a break this should be an interesting read :?


Interesting/vomit inducing.

Just what we need, a more saturated legal market.


"By making it easier to become a lawyer, we could undermine this malicious dynamic" - Uhm. Is this satire? Making it "easier" to enter ANY profession is the adult equivalent of "everyone gets a trophy".

"This sounds extreme, but it's actually what almost every other profession is like." - I'm gonna go ahead and say if you make it as easy as possible to crank out lawyers, they no longer become true professionals. No one would accept this rhetoric if this guy was writing about professors or doctors.


+1 and thus the reason why this is so bothersome.

I don't like this whole- attack the law profession advocacy. Give it a break already. :mrgreen:


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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby Learn_Live_Hope » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:24 pm

louierodriguez wrote:http://abovethelaw.com/2014/04/this-guy-is-not-pleased-he-didnt-get-into-harvard-law/

lol


If you look on LSN you can see multiple candidates not being accepted wit his LSAT score…sometimes even higher. My point being there could have been other factors that contributed to his rejection.

A lot of people-porspective students believe that the only way to get into harvard is through connections so I can see why he mentioned the whole paycheck thing.
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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby rebexness » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:26 pm

louierodriguez wrote:http://abovethelaw.com/2014/04/this-guy-is-not-pleased-he-didnt-get-into-harvard-law/

lol


I may or may not know who was behind that submission.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby alexrodriguez » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:31 pm

rebexness wrote:
louierodriguez wrote:http://abovethelaw.com/2014/04/this-guy-is-not-pleased-he-didnt-get-into-harvard-law/

lol


I may or may not know who was behind that submission.


This sort of logic applies to us all.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby Learn_Live_Hope » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:36 pm

rebexness wrote:
louierodriguez wrote:http://abovethelaw.com/2014/04/this-guy-is-not-pleased-he-didnt-get-into-harvard-law/

lol


I may or may not know who was behind that submission.


What are you trying to say? I'm confused :mrgreen:

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby Straw_Mandible » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:51 pm

Let's not disparage the #uninformed. But yeah, a 171 is two points below median. This bro seems to have mistaken a cinder block for a #golden #ticket.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby alexrodriguez » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:15 pm

Straw_Mandible wrote:Let's not disparage the #uninformed. But yeah, a 171 is two points below median. This bro seems to have mistaken a cinder block for a #golden #ticket.


#lol

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby alexrodriguez » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:16 pm

Reviewing the conditional logic chapter in the manhattan book. My head hurts.

Don't know if it's a causal correlation or not.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby BillPackets » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:24 pm

agalfano wrote:I feel that numerous books do well with formal logic, and I have it crammed into my head in the IF/Then format...
I also understand the types that are except/unless/etc.
But.... how do you guys understand the types of conditional logic that is not in this sense? This may seem like a dumb, obvious question but I would just like to know how you guys distinguish questions as being conditional. Sometimes I come across tough questions and I miss them, but realize if I used conditional logic they would have been easier.. thanks!


You have to pay attention to the language being used. There are certain words that indicate conditionality...any introduces a sufficient condition, must introduces necessary...7sage has some good lessons on the specific type of language that acts as an indicator.

Also, just think about what the sentence is saying. See if you can convert if to an if/then statement. Sometimes I get tripped up TRYING to use some process for converting a sentence to a statement of conditional logic that I fail to realize how simple it actually is.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby dasani13 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:30 pm

agalfano wrote:I feel that numerous books do well with formal logic, and I have it crammed into my head in the IF/Then format...
I also understand the types that are except/unless/etc.
But.... how do you guys understand the types of conditional logic that is not in this sense? This may seem like a dumb, obvious question but I would just like to know how you guys distinguish questions as being conditional. Sometimes I come across tough questions and I miss them, but realize if I used conditional logic they would have been easier.. thanks!


Get in the habit of always keeping the conditionals in mind when answering a question (some people circle "if," "must," and other indicators in the stimulus). Sometimes, like you said, the answer will be clear because of it. But even when the correct answer doesn't depend on conditional logic completely, having a clear understanding of it can only help.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby sabzdee » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:27 pm

Took preptest 58:

LR 1: -0 (!)
RC: -2
LG: -5 (-3 on G1...)
LR 2: -5

Raw score 89, scaled score 169.

Is the second LR usually harder, or is it just fatigue? I've consistently done worse on the second LR section in my PTs. I'm hoping I can build up some endurance and get my combined LR in the -2/-3 range. LG is reflective of the fact that I've been neglecting it for LR study.

Good luck everyone, y'all keep me motivated.

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Re: The Official June 2014 Study Group

Postby sabzdee » Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:30 pm

Also, when you finish a section early and go back to review challenging questions in the remaining time, do you guys start from the end of the section and work backwards (where more challenging Qs are) or flip back to the beginning to view questions with fresh eyes?




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