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Listen, 7sage does great things, but if you want to wreck games, velocity is the way to go, it's not about what's cheaper, it's about the strength of the program.

Thanks for all the input, everyone. I'm sorta new to this so it helps to get different opinions. I'm leaning towards Velocity, so hopefully it prepares me for the Oct 2013 exam. I'll be happy with a 168, so hopefully this goes well (my first diagnostic was a 158 ).

Velocity has great explanations/techniques, but I feel like his prep course is very lazy. The chapters in his course are loaded with 3-4 minute videos that explain only portions of a certain question. I found myself looking up videos from other prep courses just so I could know how to solve a LG question. Furthermore, the RC portion is largely just him telling you the answer but rarely showing how he got there. It's very frustrating after paying $500.

Make sure you do alot of research before you spend money on a prep-course.

paully wrote:Velocity has great explanations/techniques, but I feel like his prep course is very lazy. The chapters in his course are loaded with 3-4 minute videos that explain only portions of a certain question. I found myself looking up videos from other prep courses just so I could know how to solve a LG question. Furthermore, the RC portion is largely just him telling you the answer but rarely showing how he got there. It's very frustrating after paying $500.

Make sure you do alot of research before you spend money on a prep-course.

I couldn't disagree more about LG... If you actually follow the program, really making use of prior work and drawing deductions clearly, your final product should look just like Dave's on pretty much every question. That said, it's not for those who don't have any foundation or understanding at all, and it's likely a hard to follow method if you absolutely can't grasp the fundamental idea of LG, combining rules efficiently to refine possibilities.

Clearlynotstefan wrote:

paully wrote:Velocity has great explanations/techniques, but I feel like his prep course is very lazy. The chapters in his course are loaded with 3-4 minute videos that explain only portions of a certain question. I found myself looking up videos from other prep courses just so I could know how to solve a LG question. Furthermore, the RC portion is largely just him telling you the answer but rarely showing how he got there. It's very frustrating after paying $500.

Make sure you do alot of research before you spend money on a prep-course.

I couldn't disagree more about LG... If you actually follow the program, really making use of prior work and drawing deductions clearly, your final product should look just like Dave's on pretty much every question. That said, it's not for those who don't have any foundation or understanding at all, and it's likely a hard to follow method if you absolutely can't grasp the fundamental idea of LG, combining rules efficiently to refine possibilities.

I'll continue to hobble through the course since I paid the money, so I'll make my final judgement once I finish the course--but those are my initial impressions.

Regardless, any sane person would agree with me: If I'm paying $500, it is not unreasonable to expect an explanation for every single question in the course. I bought a $30 Kaplan LG that was able to explain all the answers/choices, why can't Velocity do the same?

paully wrote:

Clearlynotstefan wrote:

paully wrote:Velocity has great explanations/techniques, but I feel like his prep course is very lazy. The chapters in his course are loaded with 3-4 minute videos that explain only portions of a certain question. I found myself looking up videos from other prep courses just so I could know how to solve a LG question. Furthermore, the RC portion is largely just him telling you the answer but rarely showing how he got there. It's very frustrating after paying $500.

Make sure you do alot of research before you spend money on a prep-course.

I couldn't disagree more about LG... If you actually follow the program, really making use of prior work and drawing deductions clearly, your final product should look just like Dave's on pretty much every question. That said, it's not for those who don't have any foundation or understanding at all, and it's likely a hard to follow method if you absolutely can't grasp the fundamental idea of LG, combining rules efficiently to refine possibilities.

I'll continue to hobble through the course since I paid the money, so I'll make my final judgement once I finish the course--but those are my initial impressions.

Regardless, any sane person would agree with me: If I'm paying $500, it is not unreasonable to expect an explanation for every single question in the course. I bought a $30 Kaplan LG that was able to explain all the answers/choices, why can't Velocity do the same?

Its not even a close comparison. The point isn't that you have 5909 explanations, it's that you get across the things that are important, which frankly few people besides dave hall have managed to do effectively. I'd finish the course and really work to apply the methods. If velocities games program doesn't do it for you, I don't know what will. That said, you're right, RC was weak for sure.

Well, I'm nearly finished with Velocity's LG course and I take back all the negative things I said before. I'm seeing a dramatic improvement in LG; my speed and accuracy has improved a great deal--something that Powerscore and MLSAT failed to do for me. Overall I am very pleased.

For those who are struggling with LG, I urge you to check out Velocity. I still think that the RC course should be avoided at all costs, though.

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alan-7sage wrote:Hi, I just want to clear up what looks like a misunderstanding about 7Sage's content. Although 7Sage's logic game explanations are available for free on the 7sage.com website, there is an extensive logic game curriculum that is not free. It is available through one of the courses, or as a standalone unit.

I believe the OP is asking about 7Sage's full courses v. Velocity's full courses, not 7Sage's free content v. Velocity's full course.

the op was asking about games. and most of sage's game content is on youtube. EDIT: but there are no lectures by JY, but those are pointless if you watch their videos.

IMHO, you will not learn more of logic games in sage's full course than you will on their youtube page. So just stick to youtube.

So you've done both and know this?

I never said that i did both sage and velocity.

If you haven't taken the 7sage course then you can't speak to the content being asked about by the OP.

Edited for clarity.

Current 7 sage user, best investment I've ever made. I spent all this money on books for no reason. It's fairly cheap compared to a tutor or other programs. I highly recommend. It's helping me a lot, especially with LR. I haven't gotten to the RC section yet, where I need the most help....if you're looking for something structured and very detailed in how they explain each question type, I recommend it.....

NanaP wrote:Current 7 sage user, best investment I've ever made. I spent all this money on books for no reason. It's fairly cheap compared to a tutor or other programs. I highly recommend. It's helping me a lot, especially with LR. I haven't gotten to the RC section yet, where I need the most help....if you're looking for something structured and very detailed in how they explain each question type, I recommend it.....

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Clearlynotstefan wrote:Listen, 7sage does great things, but if you want to wreck games, velocity is the way to go, it's not about what's cheaper, it's about the strength of the program.

Have you used both programs?

who said that i didnt use 7sage? people need to learn to read, namely objectionyourhonor

LexLeon wrote:

Clearlynotstefan wrote:Listen, 7sage does great things, but if you want to wreck games, velocity is the way to go, it's not about what's cheaper, it's about the strength of the program.

Have you used both programs?

I've done velocity, and worked through all of the 7sage game videos...yes. I'm not taking anything away from 7sage. They have a good program, I'm just saying for games velocity is the way to go.

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Manhattan LSAT + Blueprint (Matt Riley)

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Manhattan LSAT + Blueprint (Matt Riley)

Have YOU done all three? I love blueprint, and I've interacted with Matt who's a very nice guy, but my honest opinion as someone whos seen all of these programs in depth, is velocity is simply superior to BP and MLSAT for LG. Blueprint have by far the best curriculum for RC and LR, but Dave does to LG what no other program does. Manhattan takes second for LG, I've had access to that program as well, and I really like the direction they take a lot of games, and also have a very strong RC+LR section. In fact I know you've seen me personally recommend their RC guide to plenty of people on here, but again...Unless you've worked through Velocity's full LG program, you don't realize how superior it is to other programs. I can't stress enough that I'm not taking anything away from any of those other programs. They're very strong in most regards, hell, they're even good at LG, just not velocity good.