JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:40 pm

Daily_Double wrote:
John_rizzy_rawls wrote:this thread is the truth.


Btw, your answer to my question is so stupidly close to bp's formal answer (viewtopic.php?f=6&t=185758&p=6482053#p6482053) that I'm officially jealous of your grip on this test. I thought I was bad ass with my scores. Not even cool breh.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby CanILive » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:52 pm

In a bit of Semi-LSAT related news, I have an interview for a Legal Assistant position with a small to mid size firm in my area.

Any tips from you guys?

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Postby Daily_Double » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:54 pm

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Btw, your answer to my question is so stupidly close to bp's formal answer (viewtopic.php?f=6&t=185758&p=6482053#p6482053) that I'm officially jealous of your grip on this test. I thought I was bad ass with my scores. Not even cool breh.


haha, I just saw that. Although, he didn't point out that it's sufficient, which is why it's tricky. DD 1, BP 0. (BP if you see this, I'm kidding, you win a million times over.)

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Postby Daily_Double » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:01 pm

CanILive wrote:In a bit of Semi-LSAT related news, I have an interview for a Legal Assistant position with a small to mid size firm in my area.

Any tips from you guys?


I've done this for the past three years, and still continue to do, as a part time job, 15-20hrs a week, during school. I enjoy it, the people are fun, experienced, and we wear jeans, friday only, and part of my floor gets a little sauced after work on Fridays before we drive home. The thought is that a recommendation from an attorney in addition to my teachers will look better than just teachers, but this is all speculation. I'd say do it if you have time, don't sweat it if you don't.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby CardozoLaw09 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:03 pm

CardozoLaw09 wrote:SuperPrep B game 2: let me know if anyone has a good approach for this one


Any takers? Probably the hardest In and Out game I've ever done.

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Postby Daily_Double » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:06 pm

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CardozoLaw09 wrote:SuperPrep B game 2: let me know if anyone has a good approach for this one


Any takers? Probably the hardest In and Out game I've ever done.


I'm about to take a look.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby Daily_Double » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:10 pm

CardozoLaw09 wrote:SuperPrep B game 2: let me know if anyone has a good approach for this one


Describe the game, I don't think I'm looking at the right one.

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Postby CardozoLaw09 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:14 pm

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CardozoLaw09 wrote:SuperPrep B game 2: let me know if anyone has a good approach for this one


Describe the game, I don't think I'm looking at the right one.


In and out game about parks and trees inside the park. Second game of SuperPrepB (PT 27.5) questions 7 - 12

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby Daily_Double » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:45 pm

Just did it under 7, in class, -0. I'll upload the diagram later, this game really just revolved around the difference between L AND O, L OR O, or NEITHER L NOR O. This ties back into the discussion of sufficient and necessary conditions, the variables all tie together, you just have to make sure not to make an unwarranted inference.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby Daily_Double » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:17 pm

So the tricky part about this game is making logic chains around the phrase either or. So what I did was make the first chain using L/O to mean L or O, but not both, the second chain, to the right of the first, using ~L and ~O, and the third, which is the contrapositive of the first, which means L and O.

I made some brief hypos, below, which aren't very important, those are just for me, I did all my other work next to the questions. This wasn't a tough game, if you broke it apart.

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Postby CardozoLaw09 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:37 pm

Thanks DD^^

Okay, so the contra of the last rule is supposed to be diagrammed:

~F or ~S ---> L + O?

I initially had L or O for the necessary condition. But since the sufficient condition in the rule is ~(L + O) then the contra of that would be both of them in?

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Postby Daily_Double » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:50 pm

CardozoLaw09 wrote:Thanks DD^^

Okay, so the contra of the last rule is supposed to be diagrammed:

~F or ~S ---> L + O?

I initially had L or O for the necessary condition. But since the sufficient condition in the rule is ~(L + O) then the contra of that would be both of them in?


The way I see the last rule, and I could be wrong here, is:

~LO ----> F and S

(Contrapositive) ~F or ~S ----> LO

So the way I look at this rule is a block form, if both L and O are not in, then F and S are. If F and S or not in, then L and O are in.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby objection_your_honor » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:02 am

One of the Superprep tests has an exclusive or rule involved in some game and I nearly shat myself when I first encountered it.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby Daily_Double » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:04 am

objection_your_honor wrote:One of the Superprep tests has an exclusive or rule involved in some game and I nearly shat myself when I first encountered it.


This could easily be the game that almost soiled you. Check it out.
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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby dowu » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:05 am

Okay, just did LR S2 of PT 30 and missed 3. That's good news, and I'm feeling much better about the questions. I'm going to do a lot more reading from here on out. I need a better score. NEED.

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Postby crazyrobin » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:06 am

shieldofachilles wrote:HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Got my first real 170 today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhh!!!!

PT 53:
LR 1 -5
LR 2 -4
LG -1
RC -1 !!!!!!!!!

All 35 minutes break after 2. I dun wanna come off bragging but fuck today is a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good job shield!!! That -1 on RC makes me jealous.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby crazyrobin » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:18 am

For those of you who have trouble with games, I would suggest you redo games from PT 1-38.
I did all the games three times. Now I can diagram and draw inferences really quick. This also helps me to improve my speed. Yesterday I printed out all the hardest game from PT 1-38 ( PT 23 G2, PT24 G3, PT25 G2, PT27 G2, PT31 G2, PT33 G3, PT34 G4, PT 36 G3). I did it in a roll, each under 6 min and all -0.

I can't strike enough about familiarity. You'll all kill it in June.

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Postby Daily_Double » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:21 am

crazyrobin wrote:For those of you who have trouble with games, I would suggest you redo games from PT 1-38.
I did all the games three times. Now I can diagram and draw inferences really quick. This also helps me to improve my speed. Yesterday I printed out all the hardest game from PT 1-38 ( PT 23 G2, PT24 G3, PT25 G2, PT27 G2, PT31 G2, PT33 G3, PT34 G4, PT 36 G3). I did it in a roll, each under 6 min and all -0.

I can't strike enough about familiarity. You'll all kill it in June.


Check out the game above, I nailed it, but I'd like to see how others did it. It's PT B of the Superprep book.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby The-Specs » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:27 am

I'll be honest with you DD, even with your cheat sheet this game makes no sense to me. It took me 14 minutes (mostly because I could not figure out how that last rule should be drawn) and i missed 3 of 6.

How is the the answer to 7 D? I just can't understand it.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby CardozoLaw09 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:28 am

Daily_Double wrote:
crazyrobin wrote:For those of you who have trouble with games, I would suggest you redo games from PT 1-38.
I did all the games three times. Now I can diagram and draw inferences really quick. This also helps me to improve my speed. Yesterday I printed out all the hardest game from PT 1-38 ( PT 23 G2, PT24 G3, PT25 G2, PT27 G2, PT31 G2, PT33 G3, PT34 G4, PT 36 G3). I did it in a roll, each under 6 min and all -0.

I can't strike enough about familiarity. You'll all kill it in June.


Check out the game above, I nailed it, but I'd like to see how others did it. It's PT B of the Superprep book.


Your way is probably the most efficient, DD. It's the rule interpretation that caused me trouble on this. Your approach is definitely credited though. Tried it with the logic chain earlier and it was a mess.
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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby CanILive » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:28 am

crazyrobin wrote:For those of you who have trouble with games, I would suggest you redo games from PT 1-38.
I did all the games three times. Now I can diagram and draw inferences really quick. This also helps me to improve my speed. Yesterday I printed out all the hardest game from PT 1-38 ( PT 23 G2, PT24 G3, PT25 G2, PT27 G2, PT31 G2, PT33 G3, PT34 G4, PT 36 G3). I did it in a roll, each under 6 min and all -0.

I can't strike enough about familiarity. You'll all kill it in June.


I will be doing this.

Thanks for listing the toughest games.

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Postby Daily_Double » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:30 am

The-Specs wrote:I'll be honest with you DD, even with your cheat sheet this game makes no sense to me. It took me 14 minutes (mostly because I could not figure out how that last rule should be drawn) and i missed 3 of 6.

How is the the answer to 7 D? I just can't understand it.


Haha, don't worry about it. I'll take another look.

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby CardozoLaw09 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:41 am

Daily_Double wrote:
The-Specs wrote:I'll be honest with you DD, even with your cheat sheet this game makes no sense to me. It took me 14 minutes (mostly because I could not figure out how that last rule should be drawn) and i missed 3 of 6.

How is the the answer to 7 D? I just can't understand it.


Haha, don't worry about it. I'll take another look.


Glad this one's giving others trouble too :P

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby The-Specs » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:43 am

Also, on #11, is the reason it is not "A" because S could still be in even if P is in?

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Re: JUNE 2013 Study Group / Study Partner Thread

Postby crazyrobin » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:43 am

Daily_Double wrote:[
Check out the game above, I nailed it, but I'd like to see how others did it. It's PT B of the Superprep book.


Just did it, 6:43 -0
I'll figure out a way to upload my diagram.




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