ADHD Drugs now called "Academic Steroids"

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Re: ADHD Drugs now called "Academic Steroids"

Postby nick_scheu » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:31 pm

delusional wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
laxbrah420 wrote: :lol: Doctors, alone, have the ability to determine if adderall will melt your brain, because they give you a survey.
My sister's psychiatrist, "If you think you have ADD, you do."

I'm assuming, arguendo, that the psychiatrist isn't lazy/incompetent.
Even if the doctor is extremely competent and ethical, what is he/she supposed to do? There are a limited number of questions that can be asked, and the answers are pretty straightforward. If the first doctor doesn't give it to you, you can go to another. Once you get the first prescription, you can always get more. When all is said and done, there must be a certain assumption that the people who seek it out tend to be the same ones who need it.


Yeah. It's my understanding that there is no real test for ADHD (e.g., an objective brain scan or blood test), and diagnosis is instead based on a question and answer session that depends on the honesty of the patient.

I, too, never once took any Adderall or any other drug. Of course, I'm a Puritan when it comes to that stuff. I've never even had a sip of alcohol, even—and not for religious reasons either. I just don't believe in it, in the way a vegan doesn't believe in consuming animal products, if that makes sense.

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Re: ADHD Drugs now called "Academic Steroids"

Postby laxbrah420 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:26 pm

Well vegans stand on a moral ground of not taking advantage of animals. I do not comprehend how a belief system could lead you to never have a sip of alcohol, unless you submit to some strange external morality.

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Postby Birdnals » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:28 pm

laxbrah420 wrote:Well vegans stand on a moral ground of not taking advantage of animals. I do not comprehend how a belief system could lead you to never have a sip of alcohol, unless you submit to some strange external morality.

Mormon?

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Postby Theopliske8711 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:18 pm

laxbrah420 wrote:Well vegans stand on a moral ground of not taking advantage of animals. I do not comprehend how a belief system could lead you to never have a sip of alcohol, unless you submit to some strange external morality.


Alcohol is a poison; I think its more strange that we so universally accept it than anything else, especially considering how much more damaging it is than many illegal substances (such as marijuana or even LSD).

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Postby vpintz » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:20 pm

Theopliske8711 wrote:
laxbrah420 wrote:Well vegans stand on a moral ground of not taking advantage of animals. I do not comprehend how a belief system could lead you to never have a sip of alcohol, unless you submit to some strange external morality.


Alcohol is a poison; I think its more strange that we so universally accept it than anything else, especially considering how much more damaging it is than many illegal substances (such as marijuana or even LSD).

LOL

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Postby sinfiery » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:23 pm

antibiotics are a poison too


do you refuse modern medical treatment if it abuses what your body naturally considers a "poison" to benefit you in some significant way just so you can stand by your ideals?

I hope so because otherwise you're just another hypocrite.

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Postby vpintz » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:27 pm

sinfiery wrote:antibiotics are a poison too


do you refuse modern medical treatment if it abuses what your body naturally considers a "poison" to benefit you in some significant way just so you can stand by your ideals?

I hope so because otherwise you're just another hypocrite.

As a person who's allergic to penicillin , I agree.

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Postby Theopliske8711 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:29 pm

sinfiery wrote:antibiotics are a poison too


do you refuse modern medical treatment if it abuses what your body naturally considers a "poison" to benefit you in some significant way just so you can stand by your ideals?

I hope so because otherwise you're just another hypocrite.


Clearly, we are all LSAT takers here and should be able to properly distinguish differentiating uses of a word and proper circumstance. No, I do not refuse antibiotics (though I am careful with using them) when it is necessary to use them. But with exception to perhaps a few alcoholic beverages (such as moderate consumption of red wine) most alcohol is pretty damaging and serves almost no purpose outside of social inebriation. It results in thousands of deaths per annum as well, both directly and indirectly. Also, it is particularly potent as a poison: it severely harms you physically as well as mentally even in modest consumption (weight gain, increased fatigue, muscle weakening etc. etc.). In antiquity, it did help purify water, but we all know its principal usage...

That said, I'm going to have a few after work...
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Postby laxbrah420 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:29 pm

welfare checks are poison

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Postby laxbrah420 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:31 pm

Theopliske8711 wrote:That said, I'm going to have a few after work...

I pop mad 'cillin after work

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Postby sinfiery » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:45 pm

Theopliske8711 wrote:almost no purpose outside of social inebriation.


So don't bring up the poison argument if you don't plan to stick by it. It's an absolute argument at inception and you clearly don't agree with it.

The only reason you don't use alcohol is because you don't like what the result produces. And now you are changing and dictating terms surrounding it's use to make you sound like a more than rational being relative to the population when at the end of the day, you just don't like it.

You can "expand" terms but when you do, their meanings change and are no longer shocking to the end-user after thought. Sorry.


If alcohol is a poison, I don't give a f*ck about poisons. Stop ruining the english language, thanks.

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Postby laxbrah420 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:46 pm

BOOM

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Postby Theopliske8711 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:07 pm

sinfiery wrote:
Theopliske8711 wrote:almost no purpose outside of social inebriation.


So don't bring up the poison argument if you don't plan to stick by it. It's an absolute argument at inception and you clearly don't agree with it.

The only reason you don't use alcohol is because you don't like what the result produces. And now you are changing and dictating terms surrounding it's use to make you sound like a more than rational being relative to the population when at the end of the day, you just don't like it.

You can "expand" terms but when you do, their meanings change and are no longer shocking to the end-user after thought. Sorry.


If alcohol is a poison, I don't give a f*ck about poisons. Stop ruining the english language, thanks.



*edited since I realize its too difficult to keep a straight thought while at work*


Pretty aggressive there, Jeez. I think you completely got away from what I was saying. Basically, Im just saying that people shouldn't get worked up over others not drinking, it doesn't make much sense. If its a poison that just hurts you body, then saying you prefer not to drink it makes more sense... its a pretty damaging substance.
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Postby vpintz » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:10 pm

Theopliske8711 wrote:
sinfiery wrote:
Theopliske8711 wrote:almost no purpose outside of social inebriation.


So don't bring up the poison argument if you don't plan to stick by it. It's an absolute argument at inception and you clearly don't agree with it.

The only reason you don't use alcohol is because you don't like what the result produces. And now you are changing and dictating terms surrounding it's use to make you sound like a more than rational being relative to the population when at the end of the day, you just don't like it.

You can "expand" terms but when you do, their meanings change and are no longer shocking to the end-user after thought. Sorry.


If alcohol is a poison, I don't give a f*ck about poisons. Stop ruining the english language, thanks.


Pretty aggressive there, Jeez. I think you completely got away from what I was saying.

1) I also mentioned marijuana and LSD as well, which are technically "safer" than alcohol, though still poisons technically.

2) You should care about poison, I think, since if it is a poison, the chances are it will have some [negative] impact on your body. I'm not changing the meaning, your the one using antibiotics as an example in order to neutralize the general meaning of the term: poison is mostly negative in connotation, with some strong exceptions, but nevertheless, if it is a poison, then you should be wary of consuming it until you find out more information.

3) If alcohol is a poison that serves no purpose outside of pure consumption to create altered physiological states at the cost of your body health, then I think there is good reason to consider the above while also considering the fact that its a poison.

dafuq did I just read

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Postby the lantern » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:32 pm

I have been told many times by different psychologists/psychiatrists/etc. that I should be taking Adderall/Concerta/Straterra/Vivance(sp?), but I have seen way too many people absolutely ruined by these pills. I have many friends who are definitely way, way different after getting a prescription, and it isn't for the better. I also have friends who abuse the pills (taking too many, drinking while on them, etc.), and it shows in how rapidly they appear to be aging (at least to me).

Having said all that, I have taken these pills as "study aids" before, and I found them to be incredibly helpful. It is normally a huge struggle for me to stay focused on anything for a long period of time, but on Adderall I had no problem studying for 2-3 chunks or even entire days. At the time (I was much younger), I wasn't really taking school seriously and so I mostly used the pills to "cram" before exams, but I definitely think they were helpful. Now that I actually take school seriously, I'm not sure how much of an advantage they'd give me, but I think they'd at least give me some. Just because I actually do my reading and do my outlining doesn't mean I don't constantly feel distracted and want to be doing other things the entire time. It seems like most of you take a pretty dismissive view of the boost that these pills can give, and I just wanted to chime in to say that I do think they are very helpful (although, like I said: 1) I probably should be on them anyway and 2) I haven't taken them in years).

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Postby VUSisterRayVU » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:03 pm

the lantern wrote:I have been told many times by different psychologists/psychiatrists/etc. that I should be taking Adderall/Concerta/Straterra/Vivance(sp?), but I have seen way too many people absolutely ruined by these pills. I have many friends who are definitely way, way different after getting a prescription, and it isn't for the better. I also have friends who abuse the pills (taking too many, drinking while on them, etc.), and it shows in how rapidly they appear to be aging (at least to me).

Having said all that, I have taken these pills as "study aids" before, and I found them to be incredibly helpful. It is normally a huge struggle for me to stay focused on anything for a long period of time, but on Adderall I had no problem studying for 2-3 chunks or even entire days. At the time (I was much younger), I wasn't really taking school seriously and so I mostly used the pills to "cram" before exams, but I definitely think they were helpful. Now that I actually take school seriously, I'm not sure how much of an advantage they'd give me, but I think they'd at least give me some. Just because I actually do my reading and do my outlining doesn't mean I don't constantly feel distracted and want to be doing other things the entire time. It seems like most of you take a pretty dismissive view of the boost that these pills can give, and I just wanted to chime in to say that I do think they are very helpful (although, like I said: 1) I probably should be on them anyway and 2) I haven't taken them in years).


You're right. But just because your friends abuse them by partying on them/treating it like it's coke doesn't mean they are destructive. That's my main contention. People would be surprised by who uses study drugs.

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Postby HeavenWood » Fri Oct 19, 2012 4:40 pm

VUSisterRayVU wrote:
the lantern wrote:I have been told many times by different psychologists/psychiatrists/etc. that I should be taking Adderall/Concerta/Straterra/Vivance(sp?), but I have seen way too many people absolutely ruined by these pills. I have many friends who are definitely way, way different after getting a prescription, and it isn't for the better. I also have friends who abuse the pills (taking too many, drinking while on them, etc.), and it shows in how rapidly they appear to be aging (at least to me).

Having said all that, I have taken these pills as "study aids" before, and I found them to be incredibly helpful. It is normally a huge struggle for me to stay focused on anything for a long period of time, but on Adderall I had no problem studying for 2-3 chunks or even entire days. At the time (I was much younger), I wasn't really taking school seriously and so I mostly used the pills to "cram" before exams, but I definitely think they were helpful. Now that I actually take school seriously, I'm not sure how much of an advantage they'd give me, but I think they'd at least give me some. Just because I actually do my reading and do my outlining doesn't mean I don't constantly feel distracted and want to be doing other things the entire time. It seems like most of you take a pretty dismissive view of the boost that these pills can give, and I just wanted to chime in to say that I do think they are very helpful (although, like I said: 1) I probably should be on them anyway and 2) I haven't taken them in years).


You're right. But just because your friends abuse them by partying on them/treating it like it's coke doesn't mean they are destructive. That's my main contention. People would be surprised by who uses study drugs.

The drugs can be destructive enough when used as directed.

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Postby the lantern » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:01 pm

VUSisterRayVU wrote:
the lantern wrote:I have been told many times by different psychologists/psychiatrists/etc. that I should be taking Adderall/Concerta/Straterra/Vivance(sp?), but I have seen way too many people absolutely ruined by these pills. I have many friends who are definitely way, way different after getting a prescription, and it isn't for the better. I also have friends who abuse the pills (taking too many, drinking while on them, etc.), and it shows in how rapidly they appear to be aging (at least to me).

Having said all that, I have taken these pills as "study aids" before, and I found them to be incredibly helpful. It is normally a huge struggle for me to stay focused on anything for a long period of time, but on Adderall I had no problem studying for 2-3 chunks or even entire days. At the time (I was much younger), I wasn't really taking school seriously and so I mostly used the pills to "cram" before exams, but I definitely think they were helpful. Now that I actually take school seriously, I'm not sure how much of an advantage they'd give me, but I think they'd at least give me some. Just because I actually do my reading and do my outlining doesn't mean I don't constantly feel distracted and want to be doing other things the entire time. It seems like most of you take a pretty dismissive view of the boost that these pills can give, and I just wanted to chime in to say that I do think they are very helpful (although, like I said: 1) I probably should be on them anyway and 2) I haven't taken them in years).


You're right. But just because your friends abuse them by partying on them/treating it like it's coke doesn't mean they are destructive. That's my main contention. People would be surprised by who uses study drugs.


that is not why I say they are destructive. They are destructive because I have seen people age (what seems like) 10 years in 2-3 years and they act like crackheads when they are on them. I'm one of the last people to rail against drug use.. I think most illegal drugs are relatively harmless, but the fact that Addy and others are prescribed to people kind of licenses them to abuse them and as an observer, there isn't really much you can do since they have a prescription from a psychiatrist who sees them for 1 hour every two weeks or so.

I'm sure you can use them as productive study aids -- I've done it. I'm not so sure that you can take addy every single day and not get screwed up in some way, which is why I have had three doctors try and push addy/vyvanse/concerta on me and I have rejected that recommendation each time.

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Postby rickgrimes69 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:54 pm

ITT: a bunch of idiots who have never taken adderall talk about how it can

HeavenWood wrote:melt your brain

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Postby HeavenWood » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:48 am

rickgrimes69 wrote:ITT: a bunch of idiots who have never taken adderall talk about how it can

HeavenWood wrote:melt your brain

I took Adderall for four months, breh.

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Postby Birdnals » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:53 am

HeavenWood wrote:
rickgrimes69 wrote:ITT: a bunch of idiots who have never taken adderall talk about how it can

HeavenWood wrote:melt your brain

I took Adderall for four months, breh.

I surprised you can even type that, with a brain that now must be the consistency of a day old milkshake at this point.

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Postby HeavenWood » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:11 am

Birdnals wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
rickgrimes69 wrote:ITT: a bunch of idiots who have never taken adderall talk about how it can

HeavenWood wrote:melt your brain

I took Adderall for four months, breh.

I surprised you can even type that, with a brain that now must be the consistency of a day old milkshake at this point.

Obvious hyperbole is hyperbolic?

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Postby Malakai » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:30 am

Jeffort wrote:Unless you have a legitimate medical need for it, taking adderall is dumb and is not going to help increase your LSAT score, instead it will probably decrease it.


False choice flaw

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Postby laxbrah420 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:16 am

HeavenWood wrote:Obvious hyperbole is hyperbolic?

Using hyperbole to agree with an over-the-top news article is not smart?

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Postby dproduct » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:54 pm

Problems with taking Addy for LSAT:

- More apt to lose track of time, particularly in RC. Addy sends serotonin to the brain giving you positive feelings. It can make the reading easier, but also more enjoyable and you can spend WAY too much time reading and screw yourself.

- Increasing your heart rate can create some test issues: say a really horrific game comes along that throws you off, you're going to have a harder time brushing it off and moving on. Similar reaction occurs for a particularly difficult LR question or a tough passage, it takes longer for your brain to move on to different subjects.

So know what you're taking and how you respond to it before using it.

My ethical belief in using it for testing?

Many people cannot afford LSAT courses. Many people cannot afford to quit their job or work part time in order to study for the LSAT. So I think everyone who takes this exam is dealing with varied level of handicaps and preemptive bonuses. It happens everyday in life, so get used to it.

Also, to those people whining about people who take it, ummm, you should also go back and cry about your ugrad GPA. Not sure if you've ever been to a college library during finals week, but people aren't chewing gum and chain smoking outside for funsies.




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