Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

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Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby MASSattack1 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:42 am

Does anyone know if there is a penalty for filling in an extra bubble in a section?

I had RC-LR-RC-LG-LR and I am 100% positive I answered 28 questions in the first RC section.

I know that the !Kung, AA Actor, Invasive Plants, and Monarchy counted, but I can't seem to remember if I had that section as my first or second RC section. Is it possible that the order could be different from tester to tester?

1 of 3 things happened to me.

1) I filled in an extra bubble on the scored RC section.
2) My !Kung section was the second section I encountered which was 27 questions.
3) I completely mis-bubbled the scored RC (first) section and all of my answers might be off by one and I'm absolutely screwed.

Any thoughts? Anyone else have 28 questions in a RC section? Anyone know if there is a penalty for answering too many? Is it possible to have a different order of scored/experimental?

Thanks!

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:32 am

I was always under the impression that you could request to have it handscored if you think you misbubbled (as in you skipped a bubble row and just filled in the next one down). Anyone know if this is incorrect? (I mean, it seems to make sense to me that this is easy enough to correct by someone hand grading it.)

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby MASSattack1 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:37 am

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:I was always under the impression that you could request to have it handscored if you think you misbubbled (as in you skipped a bubble row and just filled in the next one down). Anyone know if this is incorrect? (I mean, it seems to make sense to me that this is easy enough to correct by someone hand grading it.)


Problem is, when there were about 15 seconds left I looked at my answer sheet and saw that I had one question left blank, so in order to submit an answer I did a random guess on that question. So I know that I answered 28 and all 28 were filled in, so if it was an error of skipping a line, I killed my chance for a hand-score by filling in the missing answer, potentially throwing it all off...

Well played, LSAT...

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby airplay355 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:55 am

I had the AA passage first thing on the test...and it was weird. I had a WTF moment and thought the entire test would be weird and different from then on. Do you remember the first passage being weird?

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby MASSattack1 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:57 am

airplay355 wrote:I had the AA passage first thing on the test...and it was weird. I had a WTF moment and thought the entire test would be weird and different from then on. Do you remember the first passage being weird?


I honestly can't remember if I had the AA passage in the first or third section...that's what's killing me. I haven't heard anyone say that the experimental/scored sections can be in different places throughout the test, so I'm fearing it was first, scored, and I misbubbled. :/

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby timshellaw » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:22 am

AA was definitely part of the scored, I had RC first. I had two LG sections, so it better have counted, haha.

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby cahwc12 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:34 am

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:I was always under the impression that you could request to have it handscored if you think you misbubbled (as in you skipped a bubble row and just filled in the next one down). Anyone know if this is incorrect? (I mean, it seems to make sense to me that this is easy enough to correct by someone hand grading it.)


If you skip a bubble or misbubble a row of answers then hand scoring won't help you. It's only for if the machine made a mistake (you marked A, but the machine scoring said you marked B).

If you got every question right on LR but bubbled 2-26 instead of 1-25, hand scoring would still give you the same score.

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:38 am

cahwc12 wrote:
Richie Tenenbaum wrote:I was always under the impression that you could request to have it handscored if you think you misbubbled (as in you skipped a bubble row and just filled in the next one down). Anyone know if this is incorrect? (I mean, it seems to make sense to me that this is easy enough to correct by someone hand grading it.)


If you skip a bubble or misbubble a row of answers then hand scoring won't help you. It's only for if the machine made a mistake (you marked A, but the machine scoring said you marked B).

If you got every question right on LR but bubbled 2-26 instead of 1-25, hand scoring would still give you the same score.


Source?

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby vinnnyvincenzo » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:48 am

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:
cahwc12 wrote:
Richie Tenenbaum wrote:I was always under the impression that you could request to have it handscored if you think you misbubbled (as in you skipped a bubble row and just filled in the next one down). Anyone know if this is incorrect? (I mean, it seems to make sense to me that this is easy enough to correct by someone hand grading it.)


If you skip a bubble or misbubble a row of answers then hand scoring won't help you. It's only for if the machine made a mistake (you marked A, but the machine scoring said you marked B).

If you got every question right on LR but bubbled 2-26 instead of 1-25, hand scoring would still give you the same score.


Source?


It just makes sense. How are they supposed to know which answers were bubble in incorrectly, they cant just take peoples words for it and they specifically state that they dont look at the question book so if you put the "C" they have to assume that you wanted to put "C". Pretty sure hand scoring is for if you bubbled in too lightly or if the machine made a mistake.

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:54 am

vinnnyvincenzo wrote:
Richie Tenenbaum wrote:
cahwc12 wrote:
Richie Tenenbaum wrote:I was always under the impression that you could request to have it handscored if you think you misbubbled (as in you skipped a bubble row and just filled in the next one down). Anyone know if this is incorrect? (I mean, it seems to make sense to me that this is easy enough to correct by someone hand grading it.)


If you skip a bubble or misbubble a row of answers then hand scoring won't help you. It's only for if the machine made a mistake (you marked A, but the machine scoring said you marked B).

If you got every question right on LR but bubbled 2-26 instead of 1-25, hand scoring would still give you the same score.


Source?


It just makes sense. How are they supposed to know which answers were bubble in incorrectly, they cant just take peoples words for it and they specifically state that they dont look at the question book so if you put the "C" they have to assume that you wanted to put "C". Pretty sure hand scoring is for if you bubbled in too lightly or if the machine made a mistake.


I guess this has been argued about before on TLS, with varying answers from LSAC: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=167591

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby MASSattack1 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:43 pm

Any input on the OP? Thanks guys.

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby cahwc12 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:51 pm

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:I guess this has been argued about before on TLS, with varying answers from LSAC: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=167591


Interpretations of answers vary, but handscoring policy is pretty clear, at least to me:

http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/handscoring.asp

If you wish to verify or contest the machine scoring of your answer sheet after you have received your LSAT Score Report, you may request a rescoring of your answer sheet by hand.


Because it isn't machine error, it won't change.

If you are reading this and this happened to you then retake and submit an addendum about the lower score resulting from your own bubbling errors. Do not waste $43 for them to tell you the score matches the machine scoring.

Also in nearly 7 years on this forum I have never seen a single case of anyone who requested hand-scoring that resulted in a score change.

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby CyanIdes Of March » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:17 pm

vinnnyvincenzo wrote:
Richie Tenenbaum wrote:
cahwc12 wrote:
Richie Tenenbaum wrote:I was always under the impression that you could request to have it handscored if you think you misbubbled (as in you skipped a bubble row and just filled in the next one down). Anyone know if this is incorrect? (I mean, it seems to make sense to me that this is easy enough to correct by someone hand grading it.)


If you skip a bubble or misbubble a row of answers then hand scoring won't help you. It's only for if the machine made a mistake (you marked A, but the machine scoring said you marked B).

If you got every question right on LR but bubbled 2-26 instead of 1-25, hand scoring would still give you the same score.


Source?


It just makes sense. How are they supposed to know which answers were bubble in incorrectly, they cant just take peoples words for it and they specifically state that they dont look at the question book so if you put the "C" they have to assume that you wanted to put "C". Pretty sure hand scoring is for if you bubbled in too lightly or if the machine made a mistake.


It doesn't make sense... it's a fairly easy mistake to observe. When a person's score goes from -20 to -3 when you shift the answers up or down one, there was clearly a bubbling mistake.

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby nick_scheu » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:28 pm

Hand scoring doesn't correct bubbling errors, it only corrects machine reading errors.

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby cahwc12 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:44 pm

CyanIdes Of March wrote:It doesn't make sense... it's a fairly easy mistake to observe. When a person's score goes from -20 to -3 when you shift the answers up or down one, there was clearly a bubbling mistake.


Hand-scoring isn't to fix bubbling incompetence, but to fix machine scoring incompetence.

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby jjrialva » Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:37 pm

is there a penalty for filling en extra 28 bubble I think I did haha

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Re: Penalty for filling in extra bubble?

Postby MASSattack1 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:17 pm

jjrialva wrote:is there a penalty for filling en extra 28 bubble I think I did haha



Found out from my PowerScore instructor that there isn't a penalty for filling in extra bubbles. He said the machine stops scoring answers after the question total is reached, so it will stop scoring at say, 27, if you filled in 28.




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