The LSAT Score is a Joke, and I am not laughing.

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The LSAT Score is a Joke, and I am not laughing.

Postby Lawyer1234 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:48 am

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Postby prezidentv8 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:51 am

:lol:

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Postby 05062014 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:55 am

I will respond to this post on November 1st.

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Postby paratactical » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:56 am

Oh hai dere, Philospher King.

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Postby Cerebro » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:59 am

Hey, that small growth is my brain! I am offend.

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Postby 05062014 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:59 am

I hope my tumor is built for PT 67's LGs

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Postby Tom Joad » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:00 am

161? Penn must be hard up this year.

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Postby glitter178 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:01 am

The greatest part of this post is that you dismiss the LSAT as indicative of intelligence while suggesting that UG prestige / GPA *is* indicative of those things. Holy self serving, batman.

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Postby top30man » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:06 am

"It turns out I'm better than everyone else." Trolling gets a C+

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Postby CyanIdes Of March » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:36 am

glitter178 wrote:The greatest part of this post is that you dismiss the LSAT as indicative of intelligence while suggesting that UG prestige / GPA *is* indicative of those things. Holy self serving, batman.


This. Class rank? Really?

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Postby 09042014 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:43 am

Sorry about your poor logic skills bro.

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Postby KevinP » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:32 am

Lawyer1234's logic skillz:
Lawyer1234 wrote:Thanks to all, but I got into Penn Law in the end and that is where I am going this fall.

I disagree that rankings are unimportant or "a horrible reason to pick a school", I think a school's rank is the most important factor. But maybe that's just my youthful immaturity speaking.

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Postby shntn » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:57 am

Max324 wrote:Obvious troll is obvious. It's literally the first day of classes for Penn Law 1Ls. No one could possibly be this stupid.

Except maybe the kid who got up during class on the first day, left, and returned half an hour later with a latte. He's already legendary.

(I don't even go to Penn.)

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Postby shifty_eyed » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:00 am

Yes, factors like STUDYING ABROAD and UNDERGRAD PREFTIGE are likely to be much better predictors of success in law school than the LSAT.

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Postby 09042014 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:06 am

shinton88 wrote:
Max324 wrote:Obvious troll is obvious. It's literally the first day of classes for Penn Law 1Ls. No one could possibly be this stupid.

Except maybe the kid who got up during class on the first day, left, and returned half an hour later with a latte. He's already legendary.

(I don't even go to Penn.)


Showing the professor who is boss, I like that.

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Postby 09042014 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:09 am

Also, factoring in undergrad prefstige would be trading LSAT for SAT.

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Postby shredderrrrrr » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:12 am

paratactical wrote:Oh hai dere, Philospher King.


I was unsure at first, but once I read

It is a joke and a crime


I propose we abolish the LSAT right now


I knew.

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Postby sunynp » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:16 am

Nothing predicts law school success with any certainty. Schools only care about test scores because of rankings, not because they believe that people with 180s are the next Oliver Wendell Holmes.

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Postby sunynp » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:18 am

shinton88 wrote:
Max324 wrote:Obvious troll is obvious. It's literally the first day of classes for Penn Law 1Ls. No one could possibly be this stupid.

Except maybe the kid who got up during class on the first day, left, and returned half an hour later with a latte. He's already legendary.

(I don't even go to Penn.)


Lol. This is awesome.

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Postby Mr. Frodo » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:28 am

Tom Joad wrote:161? Penn must be hard up this year.


How is this even possible?

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Postby RCinDNA » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:31 am

It's just another hoop to jump through. I wouldn't go so far to say it's a crime, though. That's pretty funny. I think certain schools continuing to put the average graduate into six figure debt that can't be discharged through bankruptcy in a poor job market and misrepresenting employment statistics to entice prospective students into attending and taking on said debt is closer to being criminal, though.

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Postby onionz » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:33 am

Lawyer1234 wrote:I am a 1L at a T10 law school and I want to vent something. An LSAT Score does not adequately correlate with intelligence, hard work, determination, or law school performance. It is a joke and a crime that law schools are using it to determine who gets into which law schools. I propose we abolish the LSAT right now and replace it with a composite measure: Undergrad School Rank and/or Reputation and undergrad GPA (plus whatever softer factors the law schools want to use like extracurriculars, work experience, diversity, study abroad, etc.).

Here is the thing with the LSAT, it is pure luck that some people were born with a small growth in their brain (let's call it the LSAT tumor) that can crank out rapid answers to logical games and others were unlucky not to be born with it. That is where it ends. The LSAT is a lottery, it correlates with the presence of the LSAT tumor, and only mildly (if at all) with the hundreds of other important factors that go into making a great law school student.

Full disclosure: I had a low LSAT score but a near perfect undergrad GPA. I barely made it into my dream school off the waitlist, now I see to my joy/sorrow that the high LSATers who coasted in (with huge financial awards to boot) are not any better off when the rubber hits the road in law school.

Thanks for listening.


Obviously no test is perfect and there are exceptions to almost everything, but I think you're missing the very definition of correlation. LSAT scores *are* correlated with law school performance unfortunately, and there is empirical proof. http://www.lsac.org/jd/pdfs/lsat-score- ... rmance.pdf Especially in combination with UGPA. Your proposed solution would favor rich white kids who can afford to pay for the best schools. The LSAT is more of an equalizer given grading trends, major etc. Though since you're apparently "intelligent, hard working and determined" (at least you've implied that) you probably know that....



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