how does society view the lsat?

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby SilverE2 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:38 pm

Folks, you will be surrounded by people like the OP when you go to law school. Have fun.

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby Scotchandsoda » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm

abdistotle wrote:
seacow wrote:
You will never recreate those first few moments of the real thing. You need to work on your anxiety issues not by learning how to cope with it, you need to have a wholesale revision to your mindset. It seems like you are really setting yourself up for a score that disappoints you very much. Anxiety and stress will get to you and your raw score will be lower by 5/6 questions as a result.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... _be_great/


I am not walking in there on oct 6th cocky or ignorant of what I will be facing. I know I have and will continue to put the time in. There is luck involved in doing well on the LSAT, but I know adequate prep, the possibility to retake, and the fact that the skills necessary to do well are becoming second nature gives me a good shot at performing well. Anxiety issues are best dealt with by putting yourself through more rigorous and pressure filled situations. I do that in my home gym experimenting with new forms of cardio, in badminton and kick boxing tournaments in the past, etc. How well this translates into an academic setting I don't know. What I do know is that thinking about ways of not to freak out will probably make things worse for me personally. I have not had anxiety issues before and will take precautions to stay as calm as possible on test day. I can't say what will happen until it happens though. We'll see



Dude, why are you even bothering replying to everyone? The LSAT is important to you. Thats all the really matters.

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby 05062014 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:45 pm

Scotchandsoda wrote:
abdistotle wrote:
seacow wrote:
You will never recreate those first few moments of the real thing. You need to work on your anxiety issues not by learning how to cope with it, you need to have a wholesale revision to your mindset. It seems like you are really setting yourself up for a score that disappoints you very much. Anxiety and stress will get to you and your raw score will be lower by 5/6 questions as a result.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... _be_great/


I am not walking in there on oct 6th cocky or ignorant of what I will be facing. I know I have and will continue to put the time in. There is luck involved in doing well on the LSAT, but I know adequate prep, the possibility to retake, and the fact that the skills necessary to do well are becoming second nature gives me a good shot at performing well. Anxiety issues are best dealt with by putting yourself through more rigorous and pressure filled situations. I do that in my home gym experimenting with new forms of cardio, in badminton and kick boxing tournaments in the past, etc. How well this translates into an academic setting I don't know. What I do know is that thinking about ways of not to freak out will probably make things worse for me personally. I have not had anxiety issues before and will take precautions to stay as calm as possible on test day. I can't say what will happen until it happens though. We'll see



Dude, why are you even bothering replying to everyone? The LSAT is important to you. Thats all the really matters.


You're right. TLS is kind of addicting. Why exactly, I do not know. I am gonna go study now, like so many people have so nicely recommended

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby seacow » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:48 pm

SilverE2 wrote:Folks, you will be surrounded by people like the OP when you go to law school. Have fun.


OP, don't be bothered by this guy's d-bag comment.

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby Scotusnerd » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:49 pm

abdistotle wrote:You're right. TLS is kind of addicting. Why exactly, I do not know. I am gonna go study now, like so many people have so nicely recommended



Smart. Ignore the anklebiters too, btw. Someone's gonna hate, no matter what you do. 8) Just be yourself, and fuck them.

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby seacow » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:53 pm

Scotchandsoda wrote:
abdistotle wrote:
seacow wrote:
You will never recreate those first few moments of the real thing. You need to work on your anxiety issues not by learning how to cope with it, you need to have a wholesale revision to your mindset. It seems like you are really setting yourself up for a score that disappoints you very much. Anxiety and stress will get to you and your raw score will be lower by 5/6 questions as a result.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... _be_great/


I am not walking in there on oct 6th cocky or ignorant of what I will be facing. I know I have and will continue to put the time in. There is luck involved in doing well on the LSAT, but I know adequate prep, the possibility to retake, and the fact that the skills necessary to do well are becoming second nature gives me a good shot at performing well. Anxiety issues are best dealt with by putting yourself through more rigorous and pressure filled situations. I do that in my home gym experimenting with new forms of cardio, in badminton and kick boxing tournaments in the past, etc. How well this translates into an academic setting I don't know. What I do know is that thinking about ways of not to freak out will probably make things worse for me personally. I have not had anxiety issues before and will take precautions to stay as calm as possible on test day. I can't say what will happen until it happens though. We'll see



Dude, why are you even bothering replying to everyone? The LSAT is important to you. Thats all the really matters.


Because this is a great and beneficial discussion. Thinking about the LSAT in unhealthy ways will usually lead to a poorer performance than what you are capable of. And it will almost always warp your perspective in unnecessary ways (i.e. when you are 45 days out, you can probably go out and have that beer with friends instead of doing studying you planned to do)

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby North » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:51 pm

abdistotle wrote:
crumpetsandtea wrote:LOLOL

She was 'taken aback' because what you said sounds super cocky and maybe even a little douchey.

Basically, you think way too much about shit like this. Society doesn't give a shit, they were just trying to be nice and make you feel like you were doing something challenging.


I don't know if you're PMSing or your RC skills are inadequate. Someone proactively asked me a question about what my plans were if I hypothetically did terrible on the LSAT. The fact is, I don't plan to do terrible on the LSAT, so I told her I would do well because my efforts are there and I have put the time in. I actually don't think about society's views. I have goals and I am pursuing them regardless. I wanted to share my experience with people to see if anyone could relate. I don't go around telling people I am studying for the LSAT or brag about my abilities. I found it surprising that society (via this surgeon) offered an opinion that ran counter to my frame of mind. Clearly they felt the lsat was challenging prior to my departure, as the opinion held called for me having a Plan B if the LSAT fell through

Didn't make it past this. OP, you are an asshole.

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby seacow » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:07 pm

North wrote:
abdistotle wrote:
crumpetsandtea wrote:LOLOL

She was 'taken aback' because what you said sounds super cocky and maybe even a little douchey.

Basically, you think way too much about shit like this. Society doesn't give a shit, they were just trying to be nice and make you feel like you were doing something challenging.


I don't know if you're PMSing or your RC skills are inadequate. Someone proactively asked me a question about what my plans were if I hypothetically did terrible on the LSAT. The fact is, I don't plan to do terrible on the LSAT, so I told her I would do well because my efforts are there and I have put the time in. I actually don't think about society's views. I have goals and I am pursuing them regardless. I wanted to share my experience with people to see if anyone could relate. I don't go around telling people I am studying for the LSAT or brag about my abilities. I found it surprising that society (via this surgeon) offered an opinion that ran counter to my frame of mind. Clearly they felt the lsat was challenging prior to my departure, as the opinion held called for me having a Plan B if the LSAT fell through

Didn't make it past this. OP, you are an asshole.


The comment he was replying to was pretty d-bagish, though.

To be fair, though, OP: take a step back and look at this thread in third person. Whether it is true or not, you are coming off as self-entitled and self-important and as that one dude in law school that no one will like.

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby westie25 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:10 pm

abdistotle wrote:Having a fallback plan outside of lsat prep is unrealistic as the worst case scenario after multiple retakes seems to still leave me in good footing for a career in law. I am a realist and I know effort has paid off and will continue to pay off. I may sound cocky or confident, or whatever but I believe one has a right to defend his or her pursuits if they are willing to work hard and have worked hard.


I've worked in the legal field for almost 7 years, and I can say that everyone going into the legal field should have a backup plan. I have seen so many bright-eyed, go-get-'em attorneys get burn out extremely fast. I've seen people who thought of nothing more than being an attorney quit and move onto another field. I've seen attorneys who were miserable in their jobs. I've heard them say, "If I could do it again, I wouldn't go to law school." I've heard attorneys say, "I wish my undergrad major was actually something I could use. I should've thought of a backup." In my opinion, the backup question was a good question, and something everyone going into the legal field should think about before going to law school. I'm going to law school, because it gives me more backup options than just getting my masters should my first career choice not workout.

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Postby cc.celina » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:16 pm

And op, before you respond to westie with the same thing you said to me, no one is suggesting you should work less hard on lsat prep. We are simply suggesting you adopt a more realistiic attitude, with a back up plan that is a bit more comprehensive than "I got over breaking up with my girl, so I can handle a failure to succeed in the legal field." This is about your finanical, not emotional, well being. You should still try to get the best score possible.

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Postby westie25 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:27 pm

cc.celina wrote:And op, before you respond to westie with the same thing you said to me, no one is suggesting you should work less hard on lsat prep. We are simply suggesting you adopt a more realistiic attitude, with a back up plan that is a bit more comprehensive than "I got over breaking up with my girl, so I can handle a failure to succeed in the legal field." This is about your finanical, not emotional, well being. You should still try to get the best score possible.


Thank you for adding that. It's exactly what I was trying to convey.

OP, study your ass off for the LSAT. But, don't think that coming up with a backup plan or backup plans makes you less serious about law school and becoming an attorney. I've learned from personal experience that usually your backup plans need backup plans. I've had a real life view of being an attorney and working at law firms, so my view coming into law school is completely different than someone with no insight.

Added to what I said before, I've also seen attorneys who loved what they do. But, it's also good to know that overall attorney job satisfaction is extremely low. I know a lot of attorneys who stayed in the legal field just to get their law school debt paid. Once that was paid off, they said, "Good-bye!"

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Postby 05062014 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:30 pm

I have a realistic attitude. I also think I am pretty special. Not like a superhero or something, just that I have been gifted with an ability to self-motivate myself no matter the situation. I have been told this by a majority of the people that know me well. I don't know why I care if you believe me, but that has been the issue in this thread. I have not burdened anyone with a critique of what they can or cannot do; I merely asked for experiences that could relate to mine.

You don't know my situation but it would be convenient for you to think it was not something that required exceptional will power. Also, I would argue that emotional and financial well-being are interrelated to an extent. Many of us have the luxury of not realizing that in our life times.

I constantly think and discuss the economy in general, and of lawyers in particular with the few who I have allowed to distract me from studying. My plan B is to grind regardless of what happens. I have one goal as of now, which is to do well on this test. Life is full of twists and turns but what won't change is what is inside of us. Faith in that allows one to live in the present and keep improving.

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Postby Ludo! » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:35 pm

seacow wrote:
North wrote:
abdistotle wrote:
crumpetsandtea wrote:LOLOL

She was 'taken aback' because what you said sounds super cocky and maybe even a little douchey.

Basically, you think way too much about shit like this. Society doesn't give a shit, they were just trying to be nice and make you feel like you were doing something challenging.


I don't know if you're PMSing or your RC skills are inadequate. Someone proactively asked me a question about what my plans were if I hypothetically did terrible on the LSAT. The fact is, I don't plan to do terrible on the LSAT, so I told her I would do well because my efforts are there and I have put the time in. I actually don't think about society's views. I have goals and I am pursuing them regardless. I wanted to share my experience with people to see if anyone could relate. I don't go around telling people I am studying for the LSAT or brag about my abilities. I found it surprising that society (via this surgeon) offered an opinion that ran counter to my frame of mind. Clearly they felt the lsat was challenging prior to my departure, as the opinion held called for me having a Plan B if the LSAT fell through

Didn't make it past this. OP, you are an asshole.


The comment he was replying to was pretty d-bagish, though.

To be fair, though, OP: take a step back and look at this thread in third person. Whether it is true or not, you are coming off as self-entitled and self-important and as that one dude in law school that no one will like.


Are you OPs alt or something? Whiteknighting pretty hard here. Also you used the word d-bag in every single post in this thread.

OP/alt what are your practice scores?

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Postby cc.celina » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:37 pm

My bad, you're obviously a snowflake, I'm out

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Postby CardozoLaw09 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:45 pm

cc.celina wrote:My bad, you're obviously a snowflake, I'm out




LOL...

"I also think I am pretty special" you serious man? "Gifted with an ability to self-motivate myself no matter the situation?" GIFTED??
You, my friend, are the definition of cocky/arrogant.

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Postby cahwc12 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:48 pm

abdistotle wrote:I have a realistic attitude. I also think I am pretty special. Not like a superhero or something, just that I have been gifted with an ability to self-motivate myself no matter the situation. I have been told this by a majority of the people that know me well. I don't know why I care if you believe me, but that has been the issue in this thread. I have not burdened anyone with a critique of what they can or cannot do; I merely asked for experiences that could relate to mine.

You don't know my situation but it would be convenient for you to think it was not something that required exceptional will power. Also, I would argue that emotional and financial well-being are interrelated to an extent. Many of us have the luxury of not realizing that in our life times.

I constantly think and discuss the economy in general, and of lawyers in particular with the few who I have allowed to distract me from studying. My plan B is to grind regardless of what happens. I have one goal as of now, which is to do well on this test. Life is full of twists and turns but what won't change is what is inside of us. Faith in that allows one to live in the present and keep improving.


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Postby facile princeps » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:15 pm

cahwc12 wrote:
abdistotle wrote:I have a realistic attitude. I also think I am pretty special. Not like a superhero or something, just that I have been gifted with an ability to self-motivate myself no matter the situation. I have been told this by a majority of the people that know me well. I don't know why I care if you believe me, but that has been the issue in this thread. I have not burdened anyone with a critique of what they can or cannot do; I merely asked for experiences that could relate to mine.

You don't know my situation but it would be convenient for you to think it was not something that required exceptional will power. Also, I would argue that emotional and financial well-being are interrelated to an extent. Many of us have the luxury of not realizing that in our life times.

I constantly think and discuss the economy in general, and of lawyers in particular with the few who I have allowed to distract me from studying. My plan B is to grind regardless of what happens. I have one goal as of now, which is to do well on this test. Life is full of twists and turns but what won't change is what is inside of us. Faith in that allows one to live in the present and keep improving.


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:lol:

OP, i think you might be a superhero after all; you just saved the day with some well needed comic relief.

The LSAT is a mean test, bro. Anyone who knows about the test, what the scaled scores mean, and the T14 or bust mentality would tell you to be very careful. This is especially true with the current job market. I mean, 50% of people get the equivalent of an F (roughly 48% correct answers) on the darn thing, and still some who fare better don't get a great score.

Don't waste time trying to gauge what society thinks about the LSAT. You should be more concerned about how you feel about it. That is, whether or not you feel you can score well enough to get into a respectable law school that will get you a more than decent paying job afterwards.

I know you're pumped up but don't go around telling people you're special; prove it [by kicking ass on the LSAT and destroying the competition in law school].

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby romothesavior » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:30 pm

What is this thread I don't even... Sounds like we have a special snowflake among us? I actually agreed with the OPs post a little before he went all lulzy. Society does treat the LSAT as some magical, difficult test and its really not. But the "I am special" bit was precious. (Cue seacow calling us dbags for the dozenth time)

Also, LOL @ anyone who thinks the LSAT is harder or even remotely close to the MCAT.

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Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:44 pm

abdistotle wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:Oh well if you're putting in effort to LSAT studying, there's no way you won't achieve your goal. This plan B talk was condescending and unreasonable.


Dude. thank you.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OP-The fact you couldn't recognize this as sarcasm is pretty revealing. The idea that plan B talk was "condescending and unreasonable" is ridiculous. Improve your self-awareness.

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Postby Honey_Badger » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:56 pm

romothesavior wrote:What is this thread I don't even... Sounds like we have a special snowflake among us? I actually agreed with the OPs post a little before he went all lulzy. Society does treat the LSAT as some magical, difficult test and its really not. But the "I am special" bit was precious. (Cue seacow calling us dbags for the dozenth time)

Also, LOL @ anyone who thinks the LSAT is harder or even remotely close to the MCAT.


This.
Quite an amusing part of my day.
Gracias, OP.

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby 180asBreath » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:01 pm

DCDuck wrote:Most of society has no opinion on the LSAT. A lot of people on this site have this belief that the LSAT is the most important thing in the world. It's not. Life goes on. Other people have full lives and have never even thought about the LSAT. Not once. Life goes on through Law school and the bar, too.

Stop worrying about how your LSAT preparations are being perceived by others. Won't help you at all.


This is ridiculous. No one is acting like the test is life or death. However, consider the difference between these two people's lives:

Person A
4.0 GPA
155 Diagnostic
160 LSAT
Sticker at top50
$200k in debt at graduation with no job leads

Person B
4.0 GPA
155 Diagnostic
175 LSAT
Full-ride at T14
$50k in debt at graduation with multiple offers from OCI

The test is incredibly important. That's how everyone acts on here, as so they should.

Work your ass off, no excuses, and you'll have a better life than if you didn't.

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby TERS » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:05 pm

romothesavior wrote:LOL @ anyone who thinks the LSAT is harder or even remotely close to the MCAT.


LOL at people who compare the two

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Re: how does society view the lsat?

Postby Big Dog » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:07 pm

30 MCAT would be 160 LSAT (75th percentile scores).


Uh, not necessarily. Any 2.7 gpa can take the lsat, and many do. Any 2.7 science gpa could take the mcat, but few do.




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