Takes for granted vs. Assumes

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Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby Woods » Tue May 22, 2012 9:52 pm

Does "takes for granted sth. is not the case" equal "assumes sth. is the case"?

For example, pt48 section 4 question 25 choice E.

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby foggynotion » Wed May 23, 2012 5:29 pm

Woods wrote:Does "takes for granted sth. is not the case" equal "assumes sth. is the case"?


You're asking if "takes for granted something is NOT the case" means "assumes something is the case"? "Takes for granted" does equal "assumes", but that's not what you wrote. I just wanted to clarify...

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby Woods » Wed May 23, 2012 10:36 pm

foggynotion wrote:
Woods wrote:Does "takes for granted sth. is not the case" equal "assumes sth. is the case"?


You're asking if "takes for granted something is NOT the case" means "assumes something is the case"? "Takes for granted" does equal "assumes", but that's not what you wrote. I just wanted to clarify...


Yep that's the question, so do they mean the same thing?

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby dingbat » Wed May 23, 2012 10:41 pm

Woods wrote: do they mean the same thing?

no

Try swapping them in the following sentences

My brother takes me for granted
She assumes things will work out

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby jurisx » Wed May 23, 2012 10:45 pm

One makes an Ass out of U and Me.

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby marlo45 » Wed May 23, 2012 11:27 pm

dingbat wrote:
Woods wrote: do they mean the same thing?

no

Try swapping them in the following sentences

My brother takes me for granted
She assumes things will work out

They can mean the same thing. Your example is of a different context (perhaps the most common usage).

Taking something for granted also means to accept something as true without questioning. As in someone takes for granted he/she will get into HYS because he/she has a 178 and a 4.0. In this context 'takes for granted' and 'assume' are properly interchangeable.

TCR is it depends on the context.

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby dingbat » Wed May 23, 2012 11:31 pm

marlo45 wrote:
dingbat wrote:
Woods wrote: do they mean the same thing?

no

Try swapping them in the following sentences

My brother takes me for granted
She assumes things will work out

They can mean the same thing. Your example is of a different context (perhaps the most common usage).

Taking something for granted also means to accept something as true without questioning. As in someone takes for granted he/she will get into HYS because he/she has a 178 and a 4.0. In this context 'takes for granted' and 'assume' are properly interchangeable.

TCR is it depends on the context.

TCR

I almost said they can be interchangeable (typed, deleted) but the question was whether they equal each other, so I answered the question literally

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby marlo45 » Wed May 23, 2012 11:59 pm

dingbat wrote:
marlo45 wrote:
dingbat wrote:
Woods wrote: do they mean the same thing?

no

Try swapping them in the following sentences

My brother takes me for granted
She assumes things will work out

They can mean the same thing. Your example is of a different context (perhaps the most common usage).

Taking something for granted also means to accept something as true without questioning. As in someone takes for granted he/she will get into HYS because he/she has a 178 and a 4.0. In this context 'takes for granted' and 'assume' are properly interchangeable.

TCR is it depends on the context.

TCR

I almost said they can be interchangeable (typed, deleted) but the question was whether they equal each other, so I answered the question literally

I get you. However, for the OP's sake a literal answer is misleading and may throw him/her off. I'm almost certain OP was referring to an LSAT question that goes something like 'what is the flaw in the author's reasoning?' and an answer choice like 'author takes for granted that...' If that is the case then [functionally] they mean the same thing.

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby Woods » Thu May 24, 2012 12:45 am

marlo45 wrote:
dingbat wrote:
Woods wrote: do they mean the same thing?

no

Try swapping them in the following sentences

My brother takes me for granted
She assumes things will work out

They can mean the same thing. Your example is of a different context (perhaps the most common usage).

Taking something for granted also means to accept something as true without questioning. As in someone takes for granted he/she will get into HYS because he/she has a 178 and a 4.0. In this context 'takes for granted' and 'assume' are properly interchangeable.

TCR is it depends on the context.



Please note the NOT in the question... I'm asking if "takes -X for granted" means the same thing as "assumes X".

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby marlo45 » Thu May 24, 2012 1:54 am

Yes. From what i can remember about those questions, whenever X is said to be taken for granted in an argument it means that X is assumed [as true] in the argument. Like i mentioned above, someone with a 178 and a 4.0 could conclude something like 'clearly i will get into HYS.' We could critique the argument by saying something like: 'that person takes for granted that everyone with those stats always gets into HYS.' Likewise, we could say: 'that person assumes that everyone with those stats always gets into HYS.' In this context, they mean the same thing.

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby foggynotion » Thu May 24, 2012 2:05 am

Woods wrote:Please note the NOT in the question... I'm asking if "takes -X for granted" means the same thing as "assumes X".


Okay, then no. To take something for granted is to accept something as true without proof. To assume something is to accept it as true without proof. So to take something for granted, and to assume something, mean essentially the same thing.

But to take it for granted that X is not the case means that the person in question believes X is false, which definitely does not mean the same thing as assuming that X is the case, which would mean that the person believes X is true.. They're actually opposites. For instance, if I substitute "it's raining" for "X", then if I take it for granted that it's not the case that it's raining, that means I think it's not raining. But if I assume that it is raining, then I think it's raining. Those two statements contradict each other. I hope this makes sense!

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby marlo45 » Thu May 24, 2012 2:09 am

foggynotion wrote:
Woods wrote:Please note the NOT in the question... I'm asking if "takes -X for granted" means the same thing as "assumes X".


Okay, then no. To take something for granted is to accept something as true without proof. To assume something is to accept it as true without proof. So to take something for granted, and to assume something, mean essentially the same thing.

But to take it for granted that X is not the case means that the person in question believes X is false, which definitely does not mean the same thing as assuming that X is the case, which would mean that the person believes X is true.. They're actually opposites. For instance, if I substitute "it's raining" for "X", then if I take it for granted that it's not the case that it's raining, that means I think it's not raining. But if I assume that it is raining, then I think it's raining. Those two statements contradict each other. I hope this makes sense!

TCR.
For some reason i 'took for granted' OP made a mistake with the not in the question because the thread title says Takes for granted vs. Assumes lol.

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby foggynotion » Thu May 24, 2012 2:14 am

marlo45 wrote:For some reason i 'took for granted' OP made a mistake with the not in the question because the thread title says Takes for granted vs. Assumes lol.


Me too, but then I figured I'd ask.

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Re: Takes for granted vs. Assumes

Postby dingbat » Thu May 24, 2012 7:56 am

Woods wrote:
marlo45 wrote:
dingbat wrote:
Woods wrote: do they mean the same thing?

no

Try swapping them in the following sentences

My brother takes me for granted
She assumes things will work out

They can mean the same thing. Your example is of a different context (perhaps the most common usage).

Taking something for granted also means to accept something as true without questioning. As in someone takes for granted he/she will get into HYS because he/she has a 178 and a 4.0. In this context 'takes for granted' and 'assume' are properly interchangeable.

TCR is it depends on the context.



Please note the NOT in the question... I'm asking if "takes -X for granted" means the same thing as "assumes X".

If that is your question, you have some big problems ahead of you....




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