Tom Joad wrote:
I don't know enough about philosophy to really say anything, but I have always really liked J.S. Mill if he counts as a philosopher.
He is; utilitarianism does seem to appeal to some...although I'd be the first person to save my family before anyone regardless of how useful he/she was to the society.
No Plato? No Epicurious? No Zino of Citium? No Avicenna? No Confucius? No Rene Decartes? No Paul of Tarsus? Aristotle is probably #1, but any of these people could be agrued at #2.
No, especially not Descartes...have you actually read and dissected his argument with the causal adequacy principle that he uses to prove God's existence?
would have been happier if the ancient philosophers' names were spelled correctly...Epicurus and Zeno. Zeno, I'd have to say does have great logical reasoning although the fact that you named him without even mentioning Parmenides makes me sad too.
I do not think any of these people can be the #2 philosopher of all time, to be honest. Zeno, perhaps, but not the rest.
ETA: "epicurious" sounded familiar - turns out it's an app
I have read much Decartes, and I don't have to agree with what he says in order to validate his logic. The worst disservice we can do to any philosopher is apply "value judgments" to the ideas, something we all should have been told in philosophy. Misspellings noted and well-taken. I was typing too fast and trying to remember what I learned in church and my junior comparative history of ideas course.
Besides Jesus, what mortal person in the Bible has contributed more to various churches in Israel or Rome than Paul of Tarsus? Just because the deciples didn't always agree with paul of Tarsus doesn't mean that Christianity would have survived without his musings on the principle of a state of Grace, namely that faith in Jesus was all that was needed. His ideology was the grounding force behind one of the dominant religions in the world: Christianity as we know it today. He also conceived "moral law" out of which the 120 commandments arose. His ideas were so revolutionary that they inform both the church and our common law even today. If that's not worthy of being a top philosopher...
I agree with you on Zeno because his ideas on "stoicism" are so broadly incorporated in psychology and other disciplines. When you think about it, another famous philosopher claimed that the law is reason free from passion, and that seems to be in keeping with Epicurus' musings on the control of emotion.