February 2012 Waiting Thread (NEW POLL!!!1!)

How do you think you scored?

Below a 160
42
24%
161-162
11
6%
163-164
18
10%
165-166
15
9%
167-168
16
9%
169-170
10
6%
171-172
22
13%
173-174
14
8%
175-176
6
3%
177+
19
11%
 
Total votes: 173

ross1004
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby ross1004 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:30 pm

Happy one week anniversary everyone!

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Jsa725
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Jsa725 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:57 pm

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FSK405K
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby FSK405K » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:28 pm

For those who are talking about curves and scoring tables being composed before each test's given date, how are you sure that LSAC does it that way? Why would they not use a more conventional curve? By that I mean why not arrange all the scores of those who took the actual Feb test, and assign scores by percentile? That's how other "curving" is done.

I worry when I read all of your PT averages that only those who regularly score 170+ would show up on my testing day, or that an unusually high number of test takers took a professional course, and no one scored 120s-140s, making my raw score of approximately 80/100 near the bottom of the statistical curve. Is your mechanism a safeguard against this?

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FinallyGoing
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby FinallyGoing » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:55 pm

FSK405K wrote:For those who are talking about curves and scoring tables being composed before each test's given date, how are you sure that LSAC does it that way? Why would they not use a more conventional curve? By that I mean why not arrange all the scores of those who took the actual Feb test, and assign scores by percentile? That's how other "curving" is done.

I worry when I read all of your PT averages that only those who regularly score 170+ would show up on my testing day, or that an unusually high number of test takers took a professional course, and no one scored 120s-140s, making my raw score of approximately 80/100 near the bottom of the statistical curve. Is your mechanism a safeguard against this?



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Can someone help me with interpreting the above graph? Am I correct in assuming that a 165 on the February 2010 LSAT was assigned a higher percentile than a 165 in October 2009?

I understand that the percentile figure that is reported is one based upon a 3 year window..however it would seem to me that by looking at the individual tests a February score @ 165 would be a higher percentile than an October score @ 165 if they were to be analyzed independently.
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Circle Guy
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Circle Guy » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:57 pm

Let's be honest here, has anyone else checked their lsac account to see if if their score has been posted? :mrgreen:

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barrotmartin
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby barrotmartin » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:00 pm

Google:
http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/ra ... curve.html

"[T]he LSAT is not graded to a curve...Rather, for every form of the LSAT, a statistical process called test equating is carried out to adjust for minor differences in difficulty between different forms of the test. Specifically, the item response theory (IRT) true score equating method is applied to convert raw scores (the number correct) for each administration to a common 120 to 180 scale."

FSK405K wrote:For those who are talking about curves and scoring tables being composed before each test's given date, how are you sure that LSAC does it that way? Why would they not use a more conventional curve? By that I mean why not arrange all the scores of those who took the actual Feb test, and assign scores by percentile? That's how other "curving" is done.

I worry when I read all of your PT averages that only those who regularly score 170+ would show up on my testing day, or that an unusually high number of test takers took a professional course, and no one scored 120s-140s, making my raw score of approximately 80/100 near the bottom of the statistical curve. Is your mechanism a safeguard against this?

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FSK405K
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby FSK405K » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:30 pm

Thanks barrotmartin! Reading the whole series makes me feel much better.

It's a smart curve.

Morpheus69
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Morpheus69 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:43 pm

barrotmartin wrote:Google:
http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/ra ... curve.html

"[T]he LSAT is not graded to a curve...Rather, for every form of the LSAT, a statistical process called test equating is carried out to adjust for minor differences in difficulty between different forms of the test. Specifically, the item response theory (IRT) true score equating method is applied to convert raw scores (the number correct) for each administration to a common 120 to 180 scale."

FSK405K wrote:For those who are talking about curves and scoring tables being composed before each test's given date, how are you sure that LSAC does it that way? Why would they not use a more conventional curve? By that I mean why not arrange all the scores of those who took the actual Feb test, and assign scores by percentile? That's how other "curving" is done.

I worry when I read all of your PT averages that only those who regularly score 170+ would show up on my testing day, or that an unusually high number of test takers took a professional course, and no one scored 120s-140s, making my raw score of approximately 80/100 near the bottom of the statistical curve. Is your mechanism a safeguard against this?

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Thanks for the link ( great blog they have btw) post. I became a little more worried than before after studying this.
Does anyone else wish lsac should just come out and say that the Feb. test takers have their odds stacked against them? I know that the schools usually "prefer" that you take the test earlier than the Feb. test, but I'm left wondering if the reason they do so is because they know about all the disadvantages (for lack of a better word right now) they must face. Or, is it the ever-popular "too late in the app process?" We obviously know it's late, but is there something else? Do they know the Feb. test takers score ridiculously lower than others or something. I'm not saying that I know that there is a huge difference, but from what I can tell there is at least a noticable difference.
One would think (in a perfect world) that adcoms would realize that we know the odds are against us and take that into consideration. They should see that courage as a plus and reward it (lol)
I do believe that this waiting is making me go crazy just a little.

@circle guy: I've checked twice hoping christmas has come super early (and hoping not to have a lump of <155 coal waiting for me)

maxmartin
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby maxmartin » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:03 pm

why bother? it updated the same time with your email, just leave your email open, that is enogh :wink:
Circle Guy wrote:Let's be honest here, has anyone else checked their lsac account to see if if their score has been posted? :mrgreen:

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Circle Guy » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:24 pm

maxmartin wrote:why bother? it updated the same time with your email, just leave your email open, that is enogh :wink:
Circle Guy wrote:Let's be honest here, has anyone else checked their lsac account to see if if their score has been posted? :mrgreen:


It went to my junk folder last time lol, so rather than sort through thousands of penis enlargement and nigerian prince emails... :P

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby zapcaz » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:29 am

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maxmartin
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby maxmartin » Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:48 pm

two more dreadful weeks :(

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby noleknight16 » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:08 pm

zapcaz wrote:--ImageRemoved--


hahahaha :lol:

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bernaldiaz
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby bernaldiaz » Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:08 pm

I officially checked my LSAC account for the first time. Slippery slope I imagine.

kfeaston
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby kfeaston » Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:48 pm

mikefichera wrote:
swish41 wrote:can someone please confirm which RC passages were real. mention multiple ones if you can remember. thank you!



subsidizing art, agriculture techniques, bankruptcy traditional v modern techniques, and i don't remember the otehr


Was that the first Reading comp (section 3) or the second reading comp (section 4)? I had LG,LR, RC, RC, LR. I cant remember which passage was in which. I just remember I think I did better on the first one

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beebela
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby beebela » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:03 pm

kfeaston wrote:
mikefichera wrote:
swish41 wrote:can someone please confirm which RC passages were real. mention multiple ones if you can remember. thank you!



subsidizing art, agriculture techniques, bankruptcy traditional v modern techniques, and i don't remember the otehr


Was that the first Reading comp (section 3) or the second reading comp (section 4)? I had LG,LR, RC, RC, LR. I cant remember which passage was in which. I just remember I think I did better on the first one

I didn't have two RC sections, but it is very rare that the experimental is in the last two sections so I would guess your real RC was section 4. Sorry.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby lsacqueen » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:09 pm

I also had two RCs but mine were 3rd and 5th. The real was the 5th.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Ronburgandy2468 » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:21 pm

Experimental RC was the biggest joke ever.

kfeaston
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby kfeaston » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:49 pm

lsacqueen wrote:I also had two RCs but mine were 3rd and 5th. The real was the 5th.



I remember the RC I had for section 3 had the passage about the Blues and Giaonts or something. Was that the experimental one? Section 4 was RC as well as seemed harder plus my brain was melted doing RC back to back

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby bananashotgun » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:52 pm

Morpheus69 wrote:
barrotmartin wrote:Google:
http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/ra ... curve.html

"[T]he LSAT is not graded to a curve...Rather, for every form of the LSAT, a statistical process called test equating is carried out to adjust for minor differences in difficulty between different forms of the test. Specifically, the item response theory (IRT) true score equating method is applied to convert raw scores (the number correct) for each administration to a common 120 to 180 scale."

FSK405K wrote:For those who are talking about curves and scoring tables being composed before each test's given date, how are you sure that LSAC does it that way? Why would they not use a more conventional curve? By that I mean why not arrange all the scores of those who took the actual Feb test, and assign scores by percentile? That's how other "curving" is done.

I worry when I read all of your PT averages that only those who regularly score 170+ would show up on my testing day, or that an unusually high number of test takers took a professional course, and no one scored 120s-140s, making my raw score of approximately 80/100 near the bottom of the statistical curve. Is your mechanism a safeguard against this?

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Team internship: renowned professor + one-two semesters of part-time or work-study 1) ARE a college experience and 2) enable paid summer bio jobs that would free her of working in subsequent years for not-employment extracurriculars.


Thanks for the link ( great blog they have btw) post. I became a little more worried than before after studying this.
Does anyone else wish lsac should just come out and say that the Feb. test takers have their odds stacked against them? I know that the schools usually "prefer" that you take the test earlier than the Feb. test, but I'm left wondering if the reason they do so is because they know about all the disadvantages (for lack of a better word right now) they must face. Or, is it the ever-popular "too late in the app process?" We obviously know it's late, but is there something else? Do they know the Feb. test takers score ridiculously lower than others or something. I'm not saying that I know that there is a huge difference, but from what I can tell there is at least a noticable difference.
One would think (in a perfect world) that adcoms would realize that we know the odds are against us and take that into consideration. They should see that courage as a plus and reward it (lol)
I do believe that this waiting is making me go crazy just a little.

@circle guy: I've checked twice hoping christmas has come super early (and hoping not to have a lump of <155 coal waiting for me)



There's always the possibility that the people who take the February test are not as serious/prepared. Personally, I just decided to go for law school around Christmas and while I studied hard, I didn't feel totally prepared and will end up around 160 from 150 because I wanted to attend Rutgers this fall. I know that if I had a few extra weeks to work on RC (I had the LRB and LGB but didn't have anything aside from preptests to review RC) I could've tacked on a few more points. I didn't think it was more difficult than any other preptests I took.

February is just an awkward time to take the LSAT. It seems early for people applying for the year after and late for people who want to apply for that year. I've been out of school for a few years and this really wasn't my plan. I'm assuming most people who make plans longer in advance are better prepared and June/October are the prime times to take it because they're aiming to get their apps in early. Even on the graph you can see June/Oct are the 2 best scores.

Who knows for sure, but I don't think it's as much to do with the difficulty as it is the people who are taking the test.

p.s. I've started the slippery slope of checking lsac for my score today.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Fyo'Couch » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:36 am

Ronburgandy2468 wrote:Experimental RC was the biggest joke ever.


True, but the real reading comp was just as easy in my opinion. I can't recall a reading comp in recent memory that was this manageable.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby bernaldiaz » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:10 am

Seriously that shit was so easy.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby anteater1 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:23 am

^^ agreed. Which is why I voted for the -10 curve.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby bernaldiaz » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:24 am

anteater1 wrote:^^ agreed. Which is why I voted for the -10 curve.


But still I thought LG was harder than usual, and LR was far from easy.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby PrincetonBound » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:31 am

Promised myself I wouldn't check TLS this weekend. That quickly failed so I amended it to not posting this weekend. Almost made it, right?




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