February 2012 Waiting Thread (NEW POLL!!!1!)

How do you think you scored?

Below a 160
42
24%
161-162
11
6%
163-164
18
10%
165-166
15
9%
167-168
16
9%
169-170
10
6%
171-172
22
13%
173-174
14
8%
175-176
6
3%
177+
19
11%
 
Total votes: 173

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buck
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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby buck » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:22 pm

kerflux wrote:Is that a guess, or do you think that particular portion was that important? I am planning on going next year, so I was hoping on just using this to get off any waitlists I'm put on... though if I really bombed it that badly I suppose I may try it in June


It is just a guess. I also forgot a rule in this game so I did it twice and also used my extra time to triple check this game. I remember that 3 questions--the global accounting, and the two middle questions on the right had column had many answers that could work if it weren't for the restriction you missed. Also, forgetting this rule opens up two possibile mistakes--1) that variable could be placed in another apartment or 2) H could be placed in that apartment. Based on this I'm just guessing that at least one other question is affected.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby FinallyGoing » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:54 pm

maxmartin wrote:Just FYI, most people probably already knew, the average LSAT score of Feb is the lowest in a given year


Source?>

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby kerflux » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:55 pm

Hmm. At least it doesn't guarantee that my answers are wrong, just makes them less likely to be right. I could have possibly gotten lucky with a few of them, and I was hoping that if some of the questions were with regard to the relation between variables as opposed to their specific placement that this missed premise wouldn't matter, at least for those questions. Were there 5 or 6 q's on that game?

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby maxmartin » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:06 pm

http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/Resea ... -98-04.asp

FinallyGoing wrote:
maxmartin wrote:Just FYI, most people probably already knew, the average LSAT score of Feb is the lowest in a given year


Source?>

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby FinallyGoing » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:08 pm

maxmartin wrote:http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/Research/TR/TR-98-04.asp

FinallyGoing wrote:
maxmartin wrote:Just FYI, most people probably already knew, the average LSAT score of Feb is the lowest in a given year


Source?>


You do realize the last data point used for that paper was 14 years ago right?

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby maxmartin » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:12 pm

there are more recent data from past a few years, just a few clicks away

FinallyGoing wrote:
maxmartin wrote:http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/Research/TR/TR-98-04.asp

FinallyGoing wrote:
maxmartin wrote:Just FYI, most people probably already knew, the average LSAT score of Feb is the lowest in a given year


Source?>


You do realize the last data point used for that paper was 14 years ago right?

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby FinallyGoing » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:12 pm

Thnx!

EDIT: I wish I was better at this stuff...enough to understand how exactly the mean for Feb is affected by the disproportionately high number of takers who score < 140.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby anteater1 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:43 pm

bernaldiaz wrote:
anteater1 wrote:RodionRaskolnikov posting about questions may result in a ban but if you PM I can provide a description and the correct answer.


Haha you can't PM either. Read the post on what we can and can't say, we just can't talk about answers. It's alright to talk about the generalities of a question.


Ah, ok. Sorry to those who've PM'd me, I guess I can't provide the CR :|

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Morpheus69 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:50 pm

[quote="BuckinghamB
That's what student loans are for, bro :lol:[/quote]
You all are assuming she will be approved for student loans. A) they are never guaranteed. B) she may have missed the deadline to apply for a student loan, who knows. C) You can't automatically assume this is even an option for her. I don't wanna break any rules by getting too specific, but from what I remember, the only thing we do know is that she would NOT be able to cover personal expenses.
I know a poster said that the internship under a prominant prof would be a good discussion topic, and another poster said that working whille in school will reflect greatly for her. But you can't forget that none of it will matter if you can't afford to go to school in the first place. If she takes the internship but can't go to school, then what is she to do? Her first priority should be to secure enough funds to go to school, then worry about the rest. I find it hard to believe that once she's there and performs well enough to stand out from her peers (and this is key no matter if she had the internship or not) that some of her proffesors can't get her a highly regarded internship. Or, some of the proffesors will probably still be in contact with or can get in contact with that departed proffesor.
And if she were smart, ambitious, and passionate about her career goals, she would go to this prominant prof. and explain her situation to him. Who knows, he may take a keen interest in her and help by opening doors we haven't even considered.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby bernaldiaz » Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:54 pm

Haha debating the answer to the essay is so dumb. I did it in like 10 minutes then played word games with myself because I had just watched dimitri Martin's If I haha

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby barrotmartin » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:04 pm

Haha def more dumb than guessing the curve for feb. :wink:
team internship ftw.

bernaldiaz wrote:Haha debating the answer to the essay is so dumb. I did it in like 10 minutes then played word games with myself because I had just watched dimitri Martin's If I haha

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Morpheus69 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:17 pm

bernaldiaz wrote:Haha debating the answer to the essay is so dumb. I did it in like 10 minutes then played word games with myself because I had just watched dimitri Martin's If I haha


:lol: Too true. I'm just trying to prove my point that based on the info we were given, and with this being a LOGIC exam, one can't make assumptions like she would be financially okay with getting a student loan. If you make that assumption then whats wrong with making the assumption that she has already been approved for the loan and has factored that into her situation? I'm not saying, but I'm just saying....

And yes, I too was done with the essay rather too quickly. As I said earlier, I only used the front page (about half a page) to write the entire thing. I was still too thunderstruck over what just happened. I used the rest of the time to add up the problems I had either guessed on or was not 100% confident on. Turned out to be around 40.
BYW, when people are posting things like "-14" and such, do they mean they think they only missed 14, or do they think the curve is 14? I'm a little confused and have been trying to figure out how the curve would work on the lsat. I know how it works in a regular class grading system, but trying to figure out the lsat curve is giving me a really bad flashback to graduate mathematical statistics (thank the stars no one has mentioned the term "logarithm").

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby RodionRaskolnikov » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:48 pm

Morpheus69 wrote:
bernaldiaz wrote:Haha debating the answer to the essay is so dumb. I did it in like 10 minutes then played word games with myself because I had just watched dimitri Martin's If I haha


:lol: Too true. I'm just trying to prove my point that based on the info we were given, and with this being a LOGIC exam, one can't make assumptions like she would be financially okay with getting a student loan. If you make that assumption then whats wrong with making the assumption that she has already been approved for the loan and has factored that into her situation? I'm not saying, but I'm just saying....

And yes, I too was done with the essay rather too quickly. As I said earlier, I only used the front page (about half a page) to write the entire thing. I was still too thunderstruck over what just happened. I used the rest of the time to add up the problems I had either guessed on or was not 100% confident on. Turned out to be around 40.
BYW, when people are posting things like "-14" and such, do they mean they think they only missed 14, or do they think the curve is 14? I'm a little confused and have been trying to figure out how the curve would work on the lsat. I know how it works in a regular class grading system, but trying to figure out the lsat curve is giving me a really bad flashback to graduate mathematical statistics (thank the stars no one has mentioned the term "logarithm").


It's not really a curve since it doesn't take in our correct answer counts when it creates the conversion chart. It's just a predetermined conversion chart used to convert the amount of answers you got right to an LSAT score. Back in the day, all of the sections we were given during our LSAT were experimental sections for some people. LSAC then takes into consideration how those people in the past did on the experimental sections (now our LSAT) to creat a conversion chart. If those people did poorly, then the test is "difficult" and the chart allows you to miss more questions than average and still get a 170. If the people back then aced the sections, then the test is "easy" and the chart only allows you, let's say, 8 or 9 questions wrong to still receive a 170. When people talk about the curve, they usually refer to the amount of questions you can get wrong to still get a 170. So a -14 would mean you can get 14 wrong and still get a 170, and it would imply that either the test was difficult or the people who had it as experimental before were unusually stupid.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby agcl0913 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:46 pm

RodionRaskolnikov wrote: it would imply that either the test was difficult or the people who had it as experimental before were unusually stupid.


lol

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Morpheus69 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:58 pm

RodionRaskolnikov wrote:It's not really a curve since it doesn't take in our correct answer counts when it creates the conversion chart. It's just a predetermined conversion chart used to convert the amount of answers you got right to an LSAT score. Back in the day, all of the sections we were given during our LSAT were experimental sections for some people. LSAC then takes into consideration how those people in the past did on the experimental sections (now our LSAT) to creat a conversion chart. If those people did poorly, then the test is "difficult" and the chart allows you to miss more questions than average and still get a 170. If the people back then aced the sections, then the test is "easy" and the chart only allows you, let's say, 8 or 9 questions wrong to still receive a 170. When people talk about the curve, they usually refer to the amount of questions you can get wrong to still get a 170. So a -14 would mean you can get 14 wrong and still get a 170, and it would imply that either the test was difficult or the people who had it as experimental before were unusually stupid.


Gotcha. It's more of a range to stay within. I don't like it, but I get it. I still think they should give something like 5 minutes more so you have closer to at least 2 minutes per problem. Or, allow the test to be taken at different times throughout the day instead of all being at 8am. The closest place from where I live takes an hour on average to get to with the morning traffic. If I were to take it anytime after 1PM I would've done a lot better. I've been talked off the ledge and have decided to stick it out and not cancel. I'm sure that as irritating as it is/will be to wait for the scores to be released, it would be unbareable to cancel them and never know how I did. I think I've also got a few things going for me that will make my overall chances better than I initially thought. My softs I'm told will help balance out my gpa and lsat numbers.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby bernaldiaz » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:04 pm

barrotmartin wrote:Haha def more dumb than guessing the curve for feb. :wink:
team internship ftw.

bernaldiaz wrote:Haha debating the answer to the essay is so dumb. I did it in like 10 minutes then played word games with myself because I had just watched dimitri Martin's If I haha


It's not really that dumb to guess the curve. It's a short hand way of discussing how difficult we think the test was. Plus, even if we will never know the curve it actually does exist and will affect us, unlike the essay haha.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Kit Cloudkicker » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:37 pm

Longtime lurker, first time poster. (Well… almost. I posted once in December prep thread but I had to cancel December registration due to illness)

Anyways, I had two logic game sections and if I remember correctly they were back to back. Or it was possibly LG-LR-LG. Either way, I know for a fact that both LG sections were before the break. For this reason I am finding it very difficult to remember the one game that I had trouble on, because all 8 games are kind of blurred together in my mind. I remember that I did really well on 7 of the 8 games (-0 to -2 total) but there was one game that really stumped me and I ended up making educated guesses on 3+ questions. I’ve read through the thread and I’ve seen the consensus on which games were “real” and I don’t believe I messed up on any of those four. However, because I can’t remember at least two of the experimental games I can’t be certain if the one I messed up on was real or not, because again… it’s all a blur. So basically I’m asking if anyone remembers any other exp games besides the ones listed below. I’m hoping that if I see a description or main feature of a game it will ring a bell and I’ll remember that it was the difficult one.

Real:
Sequencing H M J L K F (I believe I did well on this one, maybe -1)

Apartments and Pets (Contrary to what I’ve read on the thread, I didn’t find this one very difficult)

Long commercial, Short commercial (If I remember correctly… Maybe -1)

Wed Morning, Friday Morning, Friday Afternoon (I think this was the easiest one)

Exp:
Birds & Auditoriums (I had this game)
Movies – Start times (I had this game)
Colored Balls?? (I didn’t have this game)

----Two more games that I can’t remember.

I don’t want to spend the next few weeks stressing over whether I messed up LG or not. I’m pretty sure that the one I messed up on was exp, but part of me thinks that it could have been the pure sequencing game. Any help is greatly appreciated. :) Thanks!

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby RodionRaskolnikov » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:13 pm

Morpheus69 wrote:
RodionRaskolnikov wrote:It's not really a curve since it doesn't take in our correct answer counts when it creates the conversion chart. It's just a predetermined conversion chart used to convert the amount of answers you got right to an LSAT score. Back in the day, all of the sections we were given during our LSAT were experimental sections for some people. LSAC then takes into consideration how those people in the past did on the experimental sections (now our LSAT) to creat a conversion chart. If those people did poorly, then the test is "difficult" and the chart allows you to miss more questions than average and still get a 170. If the people back then aced the sections, then the test is "easy" and the chart only allows you, let's say, 8 or 9 questions wrong to still receive a 170. When people talk about the curve, they usually refer to the amount of questions you can get wrong to still get a 170. So a -14 would mean you can get 14 wrong and still get a 170, and it would imply that either the test was difficult or the people who had it as experimental before were unusually stupid.


Gotcha. It's more of a range to stay within. I don't like it, but I get it. I still think they should give something like 5 minutes more so you have closer to at least 2 minutes per problem. Or, allow the test to be taken at different times throughout the day instead of all being at 8am. The closest place from where I live takes an hour on average to get to with the morning traffic. If I were to take it anytime after 1PM I would've done a lot better. I've been talked off the ledge and have decided to stick it out and not cancel. I'm sure that as irritating as it is/will be to wait for the scores to be released, it would be unbareable to cancel them and never know how I did. I think I've also got a few things going for me that will make my overall chances better than I initially thought. My softs I'm told will help balance out my gpa and lsat numbers.


There is an LSAT they give in the afternoon. It's on Monday I think but I'm not sure which date it's given on. You might want to look into taking that one and maybe it'll be better for you. Man, that sucks that you have to drive an hour to get to the center though. I dunno if you can change that. Good luck and let's hope for a -14 curve on this one!!

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby beebela » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:21 pm

^^ June is the afternoon administration.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby maxmartin » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:02 am

It is almost impossible for curve to be 14 for this one, since we only have 100 questions total, we will be lucky if the curve is 13.

RodionRaskolnikov wrote:
Morpheus69 wrote:
RodionRaskolnikov wrote:It's not really a curve since it doesn't take in our correct answer counts when it creates the conversion chart. It's just a predetermined conversion chart used to convert the amount of answers you got right to an LSAT score. Back in the day, all of the sections we were given during our LSAT were experimental sections for some people. LSAC then takes into consideration how those people in the past did on the experimental sections (now our LSAT) to creat a conversion chart. If those people did poorly, then the test is "difficult" and the chart allows you to miss more questions than average and still get a 170. If the people back then aced the sections, then the test is "easy" and the chart only allows you, let's say, 8 or 9 questions wrong to still receive a 170. When people talk about the curve, they usually refer to the amount of questions you can get wrong to still get a 170. So a -14 would mean you can get 14 wrong and still get a 170, and it would imply that either the test was difficult or the people who had it as experimental before were unusually stupid.


Gotcha. It's more of a range to stay within. I don't like it, but I get it. I still think they should give something like 5 minutes more so you have closer to at least 2 minutes per problem. Or, allow the test to be taken at different times throughout the day instead of all being at 8am. The closest place from where I live takes an hour on average to get to with the morning traffic. If I were to take it anytime after 1PM I would've done a lot better. I've been talked off the ledge and have decided to stick it out and not cancel. I'm sure that as irritating as it is/will be to wait for the scores to be released, it would be unbareable to cancel them and never know how I did. I think I've also got a few things going for me that will make my overall chances better than I initially thought. My softs I'm told will help balance out my gpa and lsat numbers.


There is an LSAT they give in the afternoon. It's on Monday I think but I'm not sure which date it's given on. You might want to look into taking that one and maybe it'll be better for you. Man, that sucks that you have to drive an hour to get to the center though. I dunno if you can change that. Good luck and let's hope for a -14 curve on this one!!

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby hooma » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:34 am

I can't believe it's been less than a week. Feels like forever already.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Jsa725 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:09 am

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby Bgibbs » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:36 am

I'm a member of team restaurant.

On a side note, I really can't take this waiting. It's driving me insane.

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby noleknight16 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:59 pm

Okay. It's almost been a week. Where's our scores? ;)

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Re: February 2012 Waiting Thread

Postby CalamityJen » Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:16 am

Kit Cloudkicker wrote: ...basically I’m asking if anyone remembers any other exp games besides the ones listed below. I’m hoping that if I see a description or main feature of a game it will ring a bell and I’ll remember that it was the difficult one.

Real:
Sequencing H M J L K F (I believe I did well on this one, maybe -1)

Apartments and Pets (Contrary to what I’ve read on the thread, I didn’t find this one very difficult)

Long commercial, Short commercial (If I remember correctly… Maybe -1)

Wed Morning, Friday Morning, Friday Afternoon (I think this was the easiest one)

Exp:
Birds & Auditoriums (I had this game)
Movies – Start times (I had this game)
Colored Balls?? (I didn’t have this game)

----Two more games that I can’t remember.



I had two LG sections, and I am 100% positive that I had a game about layover/nonstop flights and another about reserved seating for sporting events, but I don't recall having any games about birds, movies, or colored balls.




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