How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Much easier than average
5
5%
Easier than average
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31%
Average
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40%
Harder than average
18
19%
Much harder than average
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5%
 
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Betharl
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How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby Betharl » Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:53 am

There are polls asking for the difficulty of the Dec 2011 LSAT, but I figured I would make one just for the LG section as its' difficulty seems to be a polarizing issue. There are some who claim it was one of the easiest LG sections of all time, others disagree and say the third/fourth games presented challenges.

Basically, I'm pretty mad about the LG section, because I thought it was fairly easy and straightforward, but I ran out of time and had to guess on the last 3. I'm about as close to 100% sure as I can possibly be that I got the first 20 right, and I think that was my problem. I was being too careful on the earlier games and not pushing for speed and this, combined with a few other mistakes, wasted time and I was 2-3 minutes short of going -0. I think it was a combination of a lack of focus and the fact that I usually do the LG section on PTs so easily that I don't worry about time and double check my answers as I go. Essentially, instead of attacking the section, I was too laid back and "passive." This was my first LSAT and I will be sure not to make the same mistake twice. Still, I really wish I could have that section back, and it pains me to see people talk about how easy it was, even if they may be right.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby princeR » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:10 am

I'm pretty good at LG, and I think the key to this test was definitely cruising through the first 2 and leaving a good amount of time for the last 2. I was able to take my time, really analyze the game and inferences because of getting through the first 2 in a combined 12 minutes. I had a solid 13 minutes for the last game and finished it in roughly 10 minutes. I almost made a faulty assumption about G having to be 1/5 only to realize it could also be 3rd.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby guinness1547 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:15 am

I went through it pretty quickly. I looked over my answers with my extra time, and everything seemed fine. It's only these last couple days that I've been stressing that it only seemed so easy because I sped through and missed some rules. Oh well.

The difficulty seemed like the few tests from #52-61 that I took, except I thought Oct '10 was much more difficult than this one.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby noleknight16 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:17 am

I blew threw it. It was so easy I thought it was the experimental. Unfortunately, I missed the substitute the rule question on game 4 but besides that it was a great section. Hopefully -1.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby guinness1547 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:20 am

noleknight16 wrote:I blew threw it. It was so easy I thought it was the experimental. Unfortunately, I missed the substitute the rule question on game 4 but besides that it was a great section. Hopefully -1.


In my opinion, that was the hardest question of that section.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby noleknight16 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:22 am

guinness1547 wrote:
noleknight16 wrote:I blew threw it. It was so easy I thought it was the experimental. Unfortunately, I missed the substitute the rule question on game 4 but besides that it was a great section. Hopefully -1.


In my opinion, that was the hardest question of that section.


If you understood where G could go, it was a breeze. Unfortunately I just passed over that choice... not sure what my mind was doing????

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby princeR » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:23 am

noleknight16 wrote:I blew threw it. It was so easy I thought it was the experimental. Unfortunately, I missed the substitute the rule question on game 4 but besides that it was a great section. Hopefully -1.

Was the answer, without getting into too much detail something to do with spots 2 and 4.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby ADks » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:25 am

It was pretty easy. Had plenty of time to even check most of the answers afterwards.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby guinness1547 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:26 am

Not sure we can discuss it in even that much detail, but I believe you're on the right track. As least, if I got the answer right that is.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby barneytrouble » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:33 am

princeR wrote:I'm pretty good at LG, and I think the key to this test was definitely cruising through the first 2 and leaving a good amount of time for the last 2. I was able to take my time, really analyze the game and inferences because of getting through the first 2 in a combined 12 minutes. I had a solid 13 minutes for the last game and finished it in roughly 10 minutes. I almost made a faulty assumption about G having to be 1/5 only to realize it could also be 3rd.


For some reason I only used G 1st and 3rd, but luckily I don't think this had a negative effect due to what the questions were (i.e. there was no question asking how many could be 5th). Had 15 minutes left and still messed this up.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby coobs » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:02 am

did anyone have more trouble with game 3 compared to game 4?
I think when I hit question 2 - I realized I may not have been getting a key deduction. Without going into specifics, Im wondering what others thought of the 3rd game and what your strategy or whatever was.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby swtlilsoni » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:26 am

coobs wrote:did anyone have more trouble with game 3 compared to game 4?
I think when I hit question 2 - I realized I may not have been getting a key deduction. Without going into specifics, Im wondering what others thought of the 3rd game and what your strategy or whatever was.


I just thought the third game was time consuming. There was a lot of plug and chug

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby noleknight16 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:41 pm

swtlilsoni wrote:
coobs wrote:did anyone have more trouble with game 3 compared to game 4?
I think when I hit question 2 - I realized I may not have been getting a key deduction. Without going into specifics, Im wondering what others thought of the 3rd game and what your strategy or whatever was.


I just thought the third game was time consuming. There was a lot of plug and chug


Yup. Plug and chug. Just your typical in-out game, with a couple auxiliary rules to keep in mind while working.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby ziegltic » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:19 pm

Without going into too much detail, was section 3 the one about tv's with 7 questions? and section 4 was an in and out with 6 questions? sorry, I may be mental blocking.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby glucose101 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:39 pm

You have it mixed up. 4=TV, 3=In/Out.

I don't think game 3 was overly difficult. I didn't necessarily plug-and-chug, but I didn't waste time looking for any key inferences. I used more time on game 3 than I would've liked, as it game me less time for game 4, which I thought was time-consuming.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby 3v3ryth1ng » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:50 am

swtlilsoni wrote:
coobs wrote:did anyone have more trouble with game 3 compared to game 4?
I think when I hit question 2 - I realized I may not have been getting a key deduction. Without going into specifics, Im wondering what others thought of the 3rd game and what your strategy or whatever was.


I just thought the third game was time consuming. There was a lot of plug and chug


Absolutely. This game reminded me of "stained glass" because, even though the rules were simple, there really weren't any big "key" deductions. You just had to plug in scenarios.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby sportgirl234 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:39 am

also in an out games are tough and that will add at least one or two points to the curve ... even if it was a relatively calm one

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?most ...which are prett

Postby schizoapplixant » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:22 am

sportgirl234 wrote:also in an out games are tough and that will add at least one or two points to the curve ... even if it was a relatively calm one


If anyone else has trouble with binary grouping (in and out ) games I suggest you check out the manhattan lsat strategy. It has a diagram strategy that makes those games easier than ordering games.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?most ...which are prett

Postby schizoapplixant » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:24 am

schizoapplixant wrote:
sportgirl234 wrote:also in an out games are tough and that will add at least one or two points to the curve ... even if it was a relatively calm one


If anyone else has trouble with binary grouping (in and out ) games I suggest you check out the manhattan lsat strategy. It has a diagram strategy that makes those games easier than ordering games.


Well hopefully no one has to take again. I took the december as well btw.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby princeR » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:02 pm

I think on game 3 people missed a key inference. I don't want to go into too much detail, but I remember specifically that if one variable was chosen the other one was also, and if those two weren't chosen, it significantly affected what variables you could select.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby poasiods » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:37 pm

I completely agree that the section seemed to depend much on cruising through the first 2 or 3 before getting to the last question. I can't remember too specifically, but I think the first two were very typical linear/grouping questions encounter often before. I also didn't have too much trouble with the third one, but had to skip two of the questions to come back to them later.

Upon reaching the fourth question, I felt relieved, as I thought it was a typical linear diagram. Then I realized it would be nigh impossible to draw a reliable diagram for the problem. (I'm sure it's possible. I really haven't thought about it much since the exam) I ended up plugging and chugging three of the problems on that set. I guess it really as true that LG games are becoming more and more difficult to diagram.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby fashiongirl » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:55 pm

princeR wrote:I think on game 3 people missed a key inference. I don't want to go into too much detail, but I remember specifically that if one variable was chosen the other one was also, and if those two weren't chosen, it significantly affected what variables you could select.


pretty sure this may have tripped some people up. echoing others' sentiments about breezing through games 1 and 2 and also what helped for me was breezing through game 3. i did that one as fast as i could so i could focus on game 4. way easier than some other games' sections i've practiced.

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Re: How hard was the Dec 2011 LG section?

Postby willwash » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:50 pm

noleknight16 wrote:I blew threw it. It was so easy I thought it was the experimental. Unfortunately, I missed the substitute the rule question on game 4 but besides that it was a great section. Hopefully -1.


God damn those rule substitution questions. What a lazy way to generate a bell curve.




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