Where from here?

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JimHalpert
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Where from here?

Postby JimHalpert » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:35 pm

I'm taking the December 3rd test

My last five scores have been : 165, 166, 169, 165, 169

I've been getting 3-5 wrong total on logical reasoning, 2-4 wrong on reading comp, but anywhere from 4-7 wrong on games.

I did the entire Manhattan Atlas logic games book and am comfortable with their methods. I feel like I'm actually slowly improving on games, but obviously there's not a ton of time left.

What would you guys recommend for how I can get my games score where it needs to be? I'm shooting for 170+ and feel like I'm pretty close to that range in the other sections. I have the LG Bible, but I'm kind of wary that it may confuse me if I'm used to the Atlas diagrams.

Thanks!

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NYC Law
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Re: Where from here?

Postby NYC Law » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:38 pm

Dude you've taken it enough times.

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Re: Where from here?

Postby eaglemuncher » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:40 pm

I think he meant his last five practice tests.

Unless you are kidding...then woosh on me

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Re: Where from here?

Postby neeko » Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:51 pm

I think your best bet would be to start drilling games.

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Re: Where from here?

Postby JimHalpert » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:00 pm

NYC Law wrote:Dude you've taken it enough times.


Never sat for a real exam. Those are my last five practice scores. Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: Where from here?

Postby ss3825 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:00 pm

I actually have a similar problem. I used the powerscore method and drilled every game from the first 3 PT books at least 3 times each. I am still not fast enough in games. Is there an efficient way to drill?
I especially take more time to complete grouping games.

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Re: Where from here?

Postby bernaldiaz » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:36 pm

What exactly do you guys mean by drilling for the logic games? LG is by far my worst section and I'm looking for a way to improve.

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Re: Where from here?

Postby hobojarpen » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:37 pm

If LG is your achilles heel, focus on drilling on them as much as you can... but not at the cost of totally ignoring RC/LR. In general, the first time jitters cause people's actual scores to be 2-3 points lower than their PT average, so keep that in mind.

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Re: Where from here?

Postby GirlStop » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:43 pm

I had the same problem, what helped tremendously for me was the PowerScore Logic Games workshop book. Since you feel comfortable with the concepts/methods I think you should follow everyone's advice of drilling the games. I set an entire Saturday aside and drilled to no end and started to see great improvements.

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Re: Where from here?

Postby ExcelBaller » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:30 am

Drill: Get your hands on as many LGs as possible (I've done about 50), scan and make copies (preferably on campus so you don't waste paper/ink, merge all into one PDF), work through all of them timed, see what you missed and figure out why. Redo all the games again and again. By the third time I did the games I nearly cut my time in half and increased my accuracy. You might say, "Well you already did them so it's easy to remember the answers" but trust me, when you redo them over and over you start to link the rules and patterns of different games and realize that many of them are very similar so their inferences are similar. New games become just like the games you've already done over and over and over.

A few more things to mention before attacking the questions: Diagram EVERY rule, set up your initial diagram COMPLETELY, start by making inferences using the MOST limited variables, "if T can be in 1 or T can be in 3," (don't be afraid to set up two diagrams one with T in 1 or T in 3), then go to the next most limited variable. Don't erase old hypos, but feel free to scratch through hypos that are wrong that way you can start using these for could be true/could be false questions. Ummmm...can't think of anything else right now.

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Re: Where from here?

Postby willwash » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:10 am

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Re: Where from here?

Postby bernaldiaz » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:18 am

ExcelBaller wrote:Drill: Get your hands on as many LGs as possible (I've done about 50), scan and make copies (preferably on campus so you don't waste paper/ink, merge all into one PDF), work through all of them timed, see what you missed and figure out why. Redo all the games again and again. By the third time I did the games I nearly cut my time in half and increased my accuracy. You might say, "Well you already did them so it's easy to remember the answers" but trust me, when you redo them over and over you start to link the rules and patterns of different games and realize that many of them are very similar so their inferences are similar. New games become just like the games you've already done over and over and over.

A few more things to mention before attacking the questions: Diagram EVERY rule, set up your initial diagram COMPLETELY, start by making inferences using the MOST limited variables, "if T can be in 1 or T can be in 3," (don't be afraid to set up two diagrams one with T in 1 or T in 3), then go to the next most limited variable. Don't erase old hypos, but feel free to scratch through hypos that are wrong that way you can start using these for could be true/could be false questions. Ummmm...can't think of anything else right now.


Awesome info. Thank you

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Re: Where from here?

Postby FryBreadPower » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:35 am

ExcelBaller wrote:Drill: Get your hands on as many LGs as possible (I've done about 50), scan and make copies (preferably on campus so you don't waste paper/ink, merge all into one PDF), work through all of them timed, see what you missed and figure out why. Redo all the games again and again. By the third time I did the games I nearly cut my time in half and increased my accuracy. You might say, "Well you already did them so it's easy to remember the answers" but trust me, when you redo them over and over you start to link the rules and patterns of different games and realize that many of them are very similar so their inferences are similar. New games become just like the games you've already done over and over and over.

A few more things to mention before attacking the questions: Diagram EVERY rule, set up your initial diagram COMPLETELY, start by making inferences using the MOST limited variables, "if T can be in 1 or T can be in 3," (don't be afraid to set up two diagrams one with T in 1 or T in 3), then go to the next most limited variable. Don't erase old hypos, but feel free to scratch through hypos that are wrong that way you can start using these for could be true/could be false questions. Ummmm...can't think of anything else right now.


+1 really internalize the rules and try to start noticing the pattern of which rules lead to certain deductions. Sooner or later the puzzles are start to look the same. OP if you just get your LG in orer you will easily be pushing 170+.




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