I challenge anyone here to possess the level of pure hate towards FLAW questions as much as I do.

Seriously, I've been literally punching my prep-book.

They all start to repeat the same flaws after a while. Now I'm surpised when I see a flaw that isn't one I have seen before. Also, I think that we will start to see the realtionships between all of the "question types" too. For instance, an assumption question just asked you to find a gap in the argument. If that gap was just a little bit wider, or if it in fact contained a logical fallacy, then it would be a "flaw" question. If the gap is a little bit tighter, then we might be asked to weaken it. And so forth.

I really hate reviewing, but I have to admit it is useful for seeing patterns. Sooooo boring and slow though. Anyone have any ideas as to how reviewing can be more effective and helpful? If it helps I am just going through each question in a normal section (not just the ones I missed) and writing out little notes as to why TCR is as it is, and why the other answers are not. Unfortunately I feel like this is something of a scattergun approach. And fucking slow. Did I already mention that?

Maybe I should abandon taking actual sections and return to the bundles/grouped questions, as others here are doing. Then maybe patterns would be more evident.

Hopefully this response will provide some clarity. I am sure others are wondering the same thing.

Addressing Sadieche's question about Monday meeting first: Monday meetings will be based off of a syllabus that Manhattan LSAT has provided. It tends to cover one or two question types each week and assigns homework and PTs to do. For the first meeting on Monday, January 23 we will be covering the argument core of logical reasoning questions (aka how are questions designed; conclusion, premises, etc.) and relative order (pure sequencing) games from the games section. For this first meeting Noah from Manhattan LSAT will be leading. In the meetings to follow TLS users will be organizing/leading the sessions and teachers from Manhattan LSAT will jump in from time to time to help us out. For this first session, bringing yourself and mic should be good enough. Be ready to learn and bring any questions you might have about the study room. Noah or I should be able to answer them. Feel free to reach out to either of us before that time.

NOTE: This is not an official Manhattan LSAT course. The folks at Manhattan LSAT are doing this as a way to give back to the TLS community.

Speaking about the online study room in more general terms: The online study room will be open 24/7 starting on Monday. To access this room just click on the link that is in the June 2012 Study Group Welcome email you should have received from Noah at Manhattan LSAT. Outside of the weekly study sessions, people are free to setup their own study sessions. So if you want to review a PT with someone, go over a certain question type, talk LSAT strategy, or vent you can use the study room to do so. We will have to figure out a way to manage/schedule access to the room. Maybe someone could create a scheduler for us to use. We can talk about this on Monday.

If you have not received a welcome email from Manhattan LSAT please take the following steps and you should receive an email before Monday.

1. Create an account on Manhattan LSAT’s site (they are sponsoring the group) - https://www.manhattanlsat.com/createaccount.cfm

2. After you’ve done that, e-mail studygroup@manhattanlsat.com, mention you want to join the June study sessions, and someone from MLSAT will e-mail you the information you need to join the sessions, as well as the syllabus we’re using.

Gail, I think I have addressed your question in the above response, but I can add to it. Group studying isn't for everyone. We are all going to have to put in a ton of hours of self-study between now and June. However, from my experience, it can't hurt to talk through your process/hear other people's strategies for the LSAT/question types. How you will benefit from the study room is hard to say. Maybe you will be someone who likes to work with people often or maybe you will be someone who just needs to occasionally talk through a PT with someone. By best advice is to give it a try and see if it is for you. Bottom line, the online study room is meant to supplement your self-study.

Hope this answered your questions. If you have more questions, please reach out to me!

FORWARD!

Listen though I have a question--the MLSAT syllabus that Noah sent asks us to take the June '07 Preptest. Does anyone else want to do that? I would do it if several people took it and we could all talk it over in the group, but if not (and you didn't mention it above), then I should probably save it...

So I guess what I am saying is this:

Does anyone plan on PTing with June '07 before our first meeting?

Hey y'all - my colleague Cory is going to be taking over in terms of administering the group (adding people, sending the syllabus, loading slides in the room for you). He'll pop up shortly in this thread. But, I'm around if you have geekier questions (he's a geek, but not of the LSAT variety). And, assuming the group meets consistently and with a sizeable number, he'll also arrange to have a teacher come and help you from time to time.

Cheers!

They all start to repeat the same flaws after a while. Now I'm surpised when I see a flaw that isn't one I have seen before. Also, I think that we will start to see the realtionships between all of the "question types" too. For instance, an assumption question just asked you to find a gap in the argument. If that gap was just a little bit wider, or if it in fact contained a logical fallacy, then it would be a "flaw" question. If the gap is a little bit tighter, then we might be asked to weaken it. And so forth.

We have 9 total. This is our groups last call! Send me a PM if this is you....

Hello everyone,

I'm very happy to be helping out with this group! If you'd like to join, create an account on our website (https://www.manhattanlsat.com/createaccount.cfm) and then shoot us an email at 'studygroup@manhattanlsat.com'. Once you do that, I'll send you the welcome email and add you to the listserv for the group.

Happy studying!

that's what I hear. For the most part though, I've been successfully narrowing the answer down to two choices, one of them always being the right answer. But there's always something "off" with both of them and I end up either guessing between the two or whatnot.

For example, a correct answer to a particular flaw question (PT 12, Sec 4, #15) contained the essential phrase, "performance of certain actions". However, I see the word "performance" can imply the LITERAL performance of that certain action (relevant to the question) or the level of competence/success that that certain action had (irrelevant to the question). These two different definitions can throw me off and I've been forced to pick the lesser of two evils... and that's why my books have been so dog-eared.

I'm maybe over-thinking the questions too much.

(BTW, thanks for setting this up, man_utd. But I'm trying hard not to judge you by your choice in footy teams.)

We have 9 total. This is our groups last call! Send me a PM if this is you....

Just to clarify -- this is a SEPARATE study group from the Manhattan LSAT one. The study group mentioned above is for those aiming for a 180. On the other hand, the MLSAT one is for anyone.

man-utd, thanks for the tip about mixing up my studying using both bundles and timed sections. That's my next step. How many questions are there total in the Cambridge bundle? Because I think my Kaplan bundle only has about 800. Reason I ask is because I heard that Cambridge has 100+ questions for each question type, and if that is the case I want it haha

BTW, the MLSAT one is for folks aiming for nothing more than a 179.

+1

Where do I find the group that is aiming for 120s? I could really use some help with bubbling my name and personal information.

this thread is starting to turn into a commercial for manhattan lsat.

A measly 800 questions? Oh man, you are missing out. The Cambridge LR packets have a total of 1,907 questions. This is every LR questions administered from PT 1-38. Cambridge arranges the questions by four difficulty levels (what system they use for ranking question difficulty I am not entirely sure, but it seems pretty good/accurate). Cambridge LSAT offers these bundles in both hard copy and PDF form.

I have not used any of Kaplan's materials, so I am not entirely sure what you are working with. I will say that I have been satisfied with my purchase of the Cambridge bundles.

Pros:
Availability in both PDF and hard copy.
Contains a lot of questions.
Sorts questions by difficulty for you.

Cons:
Doesn't include questions from more recent PTs.
Contains a lot of questions.
If you go with the PDF format it is a ton of printing. (Who needs trees?)

I have been working through the bundles to work on my approach for each question type. I tend to work through the bundles slowly and focus my attention of find details and patterns within the questions. I then use more recent sections to work on my timing.

I think you said that you are currently overseas, so maybe the PDF bundles would work perfectly. Here are the links:

http://www.cambridgelsat.com/productdet ... -38%29/357

http://www.cambridgelsat.com/productdet ... _books/520

Let me know if you have anymore questions about the Cambridge packets.

Lol, agreed

Does anyone have problem with performing badly on test day after the break?

In December, I was doing fairly welll but the wheels just seemed to fall of a bit after the break. I didn't think I was doing badly at the time but when I got my score back it told another story.

I only missed 2 on the first LR (section 1), but I got -14 on the section 4 LR. I never did that badly on my PT's. My high for missed LR questions in a section was -7, and that happened rarely.

Any thoughts on what may be happening here and how to overcome it?